Read in AM new york today...
"New Yorkers kept up at night by the drone of motorcycles may be in for some relief, as the city looks to crack down on decibel busting tailpipes. Under a bill sponsored by Councilman Peter Vallone Jr. (D-Astoria), police could ticket parked bikes with illegal tailpipes and the city could seize them after a second offense."
seriously...is this absured or what.
I wonder what kind of bike Mr. Jr. rides. [roll]
Good luck.
I wonder what they would do for a parked Desmosedici. Might be seeing more bikes in the future which feature completely hidden exhausts...
Do email your City Council Member and Kathleen Quinn. Be polite and use reason. Two items I brought up is the fine is higher than DWIA and a car or truck with loud exhaust is a "fix it" ticket. Do remember it is not your right to ride around with loud exhaust.
Here is a locator:
http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml (http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml)
Taken from DealerNews:
New York City Council members are preparing to debate a bill requiring all motorcycles to have tags certifying approval by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).
The new measure would let city agents ticket parked motorcycles without the authorities having to prove the bike exceeded the 80 dB limit set by the city's noise code. The bill was approved by New York City’s Public Safety Committee Dec. 10 and goes to the full Council for debate Dec. 18.
A first conviction carries a maximum $1,000 fine and temporary confiscation of the bike until the penalty is paid. A second conviction hikes the maximum fine to $2,500 and imposes permanent forfeiture.
The New York bill was based on an ordinance passed in Denver in 2007. There, as of July 1, 2007, motorcycle owners are required to keep their bikes at 82 dB. The ordinance also requires bikes made after 1982 carry an EPA compliance tag to be displayed on the pipes.
The EPA rates maximum permissible noise level for street motorcycles at 80 dB for motorcycles manufactured in model year 1986 or later. However, in many states, legislation has remained unchanged since the early 1970s, when maximum permissible noise level was set at 86 dB.
The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) says it opposes excessive motorcycle noise. In the past several years, the AMA has spent well over $100,000 defending lawsuits and confronting legislative prohibitions.
Based on its opposition to excessive motorcycle noise, the AMA has publicly recommended the following:
Motorcycle retailers should discourage the installation and use of excessively loud replacement exhaust systems.
Manufacturers producing motorcycles to appropriate federal standards should continue to educate their dealers and customers that louder exhaust systems do not necessarily improve the performance of a motorcycle.
Motorcyclists should not modify exhaust systems in a way that will increase sound to an offensive level.
The motorcycle industry, including aftermarket suppliers of replacement exhaust systems, should adopt responsible product design and marketing policies aimed at limiting the cumulative impact of excessive motorcycle noise.
Law enforcement agencies should fairly and consistently enforce appropriate laws and ordinances against excessive vehicle noise.
The motorcycle industry and the safety community should educate customers that excessive noise may be fatiguing to riders, making them less able to enjoy riding and less able to exercise good riding skills.
All motorcyclists should be sensitive to community standards and respect the rights of fellow citizens to enjoy a peaceful environment.
Organizers of motorcycle events should take steps through advertising, peer pressure and enforcement to make excessively loud motorcycles unwelcome.
In October, the 2008 American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) Congress passed a 94 dB standard for all amateur and Pro-Am motocross and off-road competition, effective in 2011. The new level mirrors both the 2009 standard for professional motocross and Supercross racing in the United States, as well as the level mandated by the FIM (Federation Internationale de Motocyclisme), which governs international motorcycle competition. Currently, sound limits for amateur motorcycle competition are 99 dB for closed-course competition and 96 dB for cross-country racing.
dang
Quote from: Kroe on December 12, 2008, 05:19:24 AM
In October, the 2008 American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) Congress passed a 94 dB standard for all amateur and Pro-Am motocross and off-road competition, effective in 2011. The new level mirrors both the 2009 standard for professional motocross and Supercross racing in the United States, as well as the level mandated by the FIM (Federation Internationale de Motocyclisme), which governs international motorcycle competition. Currently, sound limits for amateur motorcycle competition are 99 dB for closed-course competition and 96 dB for cross-country racing.
interesting ... does anyone know the sound level the NASCAR and other USA professional racing cars produce during closed-course competition and are there any restrictions on them ?
Please write to your representative.
http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml (http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml)
I'd be fine with this if the law wasn't specifically applied to motorcycles, it should refer to any vehicle.
Quote from: EvilSteve on December 14, 2008, 12:04:48 PM
I'd be fine with this if the law wasn't specifically applied to motorcycles, it should refer to any vehicle.
Zakley, including the fine schedule. Just imagine how long the law would last if everyone with non OEM exhaust on their car, including Midas replacement had to walk home, then pay $1000 to get their car back. Then, to avoid a bigger fine and confiscation, have to replace their perfectly good exhaust with an OEM bought from the dealer.
They should fine people who sleep without earplugs. And put a tax on all people who stand in water.
... :o
Quote from: wark on December 14, 2008, 09:31:05 PM
They should fine people who sleep without earplugs. And put a tax on all people who stand in water.
... :o
Gov Patterson wants to tax non diet soda [bang]
Quote from: howie on December 15, 2008, 05:25:56 AM
Gov Patterson wants to tax non diet soda [bang]
I hate diet soda, how is that a fat tax? Seriously i'm in perfectly great shape and i drink normal soda, damn i must be fat!
Quote from: GLantern on December 15, 2008, 09:11:53 AM
I hate non diet soda, how is that a fat tax? Seriously i'm perfectly great shape and i drink normal soda, damn i must be fat!
looks like well need to tax you for smoking too, cause your probably fat and a smoker. :P and your probably depressed too, so lets just tax you for pills because your jsut gonna eaet up medical expenses.
god damn it.
That law is insane. It should maybe only be applied to new bikes starting from a certain year. So many people spent thousands between aftermarket exhaust, getting the bike dyno`d, computer upgrades, intakes to go with it. So you now have to spend another few thousand to put it back to stock if you can get it. What about all the HD guys who spend 2k on some chrome pipes. Lets see them get stock exhaust on all of those. It is crazy to think that it could happen but the stuff these guys are coming up w/ lately is unbelievable. Why doesn`t Bloomberg just give the city one of the billions he`s made off of being Mayor and controlling everything to benefit himself. He could spare it if he cares so much about this city. [/end rant]
Quote from: howie on December 15, 2008, 05:25:56 AM
Gov Patterson wants to tax non diet soda [bang]
and also increase taxes on gas and clothing, among others
http://www.lohud.com/article/2008812150323 (http://www.lohud.com/article/2008812150323)
Ironically, Peter Vallone is my council member and I voted for him. [bang]
Composing email now...
QuoteDear Sir,
It has come to my attention that you are proposing new legislation relating to the enforcement of EPA laws for motorcycle exhaust systems.
As a motorcyclist I actually do not support the commonly held belief that "loud pipes save lives", I do, however, find the intended application of the proposed legislation to be a little offensive.
It concerns me that there is a trend toward the introduction of legislation that singles out particular communities of people.
My objection to this legislation is that it should apply to *any* vehicle, not just motorcycles. I too am annoyed and irritated by loud motorcycles being ridden past my apartment at all hours but I'm equally irritated by the passing car with an obnoxiously loud exhaust system. I am also woken up by the garbage truck that comes by my building at 3am and is louder than just about anything else. If the intent of this legislation is to reinforce the EPA's intent then should it not be applied across the board rather than singling out only one of the applicable groups in question?
Perhaps I'm being cynical but legislation attempting to enforce EPA rules being only introduced for one type of vehicle suggests that there is a lack of objectivity and I can help feeling a little bitter and unrepresented by my council member when my concerns aren't being addressed.
The irony here is that I voted for you councilman, I'm hoping you'll at least respond and address my concerns.
Regards
The bill has been taken off Thursday's agenda, temporary reprieve.
[clap]
Dan,
That's very well written!
I completely agree with any law should be for all, not some specific...
I also think that this councilman may try to use the excuse that "non stock" exhausts emit more pollution.... seeing as he is pro bono counel to C.H.O.K.E. (http://www.petervallone.com/index.php?page=about-peter-vallone)
Regardless this is clearly not the last or end of this. And I'm only gratefull that they've done such a pitiful job, but they will get smarter. And I also firmly believe this is solely against motorcycles.
Thanks Terry. You're right about the emissions angle but the argument is the same (as I'm sure you realize).
There seem to be many laws springing up around the country only referring to motorcycles and motorcyclists. We're our own worst enemies it seems but that doesn't mean we should be singled out with laws that allow no leeway.
A loud, polluting exhaust is loud and polluting no matter what it's attached to.
Pollution seems to be relative. Yeah the bike may not meet emissions but it may get like 50 mpg as opposed to the Humvee which gets 12mpg and meets emission standards. I'm sure I may be missing something here but that's the way I'm thinking about it.
I'm pretty sure the Hummers all get exemptions because they're classed as trucks... :-\
Irrespective of whether bikes are more or less polluting, there are different metrics, we're still held to a certain level by the EPA rules. There's no turning back the clock on pollution or noise regs.
I copied the below from another board. I friggin hate these cheesedicks! [roll]
The only chance we have at this point is writing our council members and trying to get this stopped.
THIS BILL IS NOT DEAD!!!!!
From the NYC Motorcyclists list:
I just spoke with Council member Leroy Comrie, who had a news
conference on the steps of City Hall today about 416A. The bill is
NOT dead. Gerson and others are expecting it to come up for a vote on
January 7th during the first Council session of the new year. Comrie
says lobbying by bikers of individual Council members may have
persuaded a few to take their names off the bill but there's still a
good (or more appropriately bad) chance that this bill will pass.
Gerson issued this statement today:
"December 22, 2008 - Council Member Alan Gerson proudly stands by his
noise reduction legislation which will authorize the NYPD to issue
tickets to motorcycles with straight pipes, thereby requiring
motorcyclists to obtain exhaust systems that comply with federal
decibel limits. The office has received many complaints from
constituents concerning excessively loud motorcycles. The law only
closes a loophole, which currently enables a small group of riders to
disrupt the quality of life in the community at large. Illegally
equipped motorcycles can emit noise in the 120 decibel range,
constituting a significant quality of life problem for our citizens.
Though regulations currently exist, they are almost impossible to
enforce because the offending vehicles are usually gone before
enforcement action can be taken. In testimony at the bill’s second
hearing by the NYC Council Public Safety Committee, the NYPD’s
Assistant Commissioner of Intergovernmental Affairs, Susan Petito,
said, “We applaud Council Member Gerson and his staff for identifying
an ingenious approach to this problem, and we’re pleased to work with
the Council in developing this bill.†The bill is expected to be
signed into law in February, 2009, after which, motorcyclists with
illegal pipes will have 90 days to replace them with Environmental
Protection Agency-stamped pipes. Nothing in the proposed law imposes
greater restrictions on motorcyclists than do the existing federal
regulations."
This bill is like closing a "loophole" with a nuclear weapon. Almost
no one knew of the hearings on it, those who showed up to speak for
the biker community were not effective at making their case and the
supporters of the bill are confident that they'll win.
I believe that arguing "loud pipes save lives" won't cut it. The
point, to me, is that perfectly legal bikes will be impounded and
probably damaged in the process, police will have a huge weapon to
threaten bikers with regardless of any real or perceived infraction,
riders from outside NYC are likely to be unwitting victims of Gerson's
vendetta and the law already allows for enforcement of noise
restrictions.
The only route open now is to contact each and every member of the
City Council and urge them to vote against this bill.
Yeah, this sucks and I am sure it will get passed which is BS, but things happen. My question is, Is anyone here actually going to change back to their stock pipes ? Will this stop you from buying an aftermarket exhaust ? Just curious as to what people's plans are if this thing gets passed.
F-
I don't live in the city but it would not stop me from buying new exhaust if i wanted to. I'm pretty sure my stock exhaust does not have an EPA stamp on it anyways.
Quote from: Ferrell75002 on December 24, 2008, 06:36:45 AM
My question is, Is anyone here actually going to change back to their stock pipes ? Will this stop you from buying an aftermarket exhaust ? Just curious as to what people's plans are if this thing gets passed.
F-
I currently have stocks pipes on all my bikes. The only one I'm thinking of changing to high performance pipes is for the 749 since I'll be tracking it during the 2009 season. In any case, I live outside the city and I try to avoid riding in/through the city since it's no fun at all for me.
Quote from: Ferrell75002 on December 24, 2008, 06:36:45 AM
Yeah, this sucks and I am sure it will get passed which is BS, but things happen. My question is, Is anyone here actually going to change back to their stock pipes ? Will this stop you from buying an aftermarket exhaust ? Just curious as to what people's plans are if this thing gets passed.
F-
Write your City Council Member and Kathleen Quinn. It may not help, but it can't hurt. Here is the letter I wrote:
Dear Councilman Vacca,
I am writing you about my concerns over the "loud motorcycle pipes" (NYC Bill 416A) bill. On the surface this sounds like a great idea, but in reality it is not. New York State already has noise regulations for motorcycles that are not being enforced, probably because the City would need to buy equipment and train officers how to use it. There are many legal motorcycles that would not meet the letter of the law, including vintage bikes or custom pipes that have polished the EPA markings off. Also some motorcyclists modify their factory systems to increase noise levels, but these systems do have markings, therefore, by the new legislation, would be legal.
This new law would also be discriminatory, since the same is not being enforced on other motorized vehicles, even though the same problem does exist with cars and trucks. The penalties are also quite ridiculous, for instance, punishment equal to DWAI and more harsh than for running a red light. If you own a car with loud exhaust you get a minimal equipment violation, fix it, there is no fine.
Yes, I do ride a motorcycle. Yes, the bike would be illegal under the new law. Yet I get positive comments from my neighbors because the bike is quiet. I am a 62 year old responsible rider.
Please vote down this money making scheme so I can happily vote for you again.
Sincerely,
Howard I Lepzelter
The same letter was sent to Kathleen Quinn, without the voting part since I don't get to vote for her.
Nice email Howie.
Personally I think people will start having EPA stuff stamped on whatever they want. Think about it, you can have someone make you straight pipes for your HD & stamp with an EPA rating at the same time, bingo, it's legal.
Reactionary legislation made by people who have no understanding of what they're doing. I think really loud bikes should be fined & have to be fixed but this legislation, has Howie rightly put it, would fine people irrespective of the actual volume. Stock 1098 pipes are 102 db, where does that leave these people? The make it sound like it's meant to target open pipes only but that's BS & we all know it. It's just another way for the police to harass motorcyclists, some deserving of course but many definitely not.
Quote from: Ferrell75002 on December 24, 2008, 06:36:45 AM
Yeah, this sucks and I am sure it will get passed which is BS, but things happen. My question is, Is anyone here actually going to change back to their stock pipes ? Will this stop you from buying an aftermarket exhaust ? Just curious as to what people's plans are if this thing gets passed.
F-
I will be writing to my council person and see what sticks. If it doesn't then I will just have both my current aftermarket exhausts EPA stamped somehow. I'm sure I will find a way, just like I have with so many other silly required documentation. It's amazing how simple it is to forge some things.
Not sure if this has been posted, but here is a link to the original proposal : http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/attachments/86212.htm
Also these are the main folks that are sponsoring this :
*Brewer, Gale A.
*Como, Anthony
*Garodnick, Daniel
*Gennaro, James F.
*Gentile, Vincent J.
*Gerson, Alan J.
*Koppell, G. Oliver
*Liu, John C.
*Martinez, Miguel
*Nelson, Michael C.
*Vallone, Jr., Peter F.
*Yassky, David
Sorry if this is old new to some of you.
I am all for getting a EPA stamp, but I will be amazed how they would be able to do that on a carbon exhaust like the termi's. Also are all cop's going to be trained to know the difference between the pipes are ? Or i wonder if the are just going to wing it.
F-
Anybody have an ANSI approved decibel meter? After reading through all of this and other crap I thought about getting one just to see how loud my ExBox is. Then I decided I'd rather spend the money on other mods... ;D
Anyone have a pic of the EPA stamp from their stock exhaust? I'm sure many of us would love to see it!!
Sign and leave a comment. IMO, "loud pipes save lives" won't cut it. Remember, write your City Council Member too.
http://www.petitiononline.com/ccmsny/petition.html (http://www.petitiononline.com/ccmsny/petition.html)
what gives them the right to just take your motorcycle?
do cops in NYC ride motorcycles? the bike cops down here in pittsburgh have pipes that are DEFINITELY not stock. pretty damn loud.
so much for this thing:
(http://mikeytherhino.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/constitution.jpg)
last I've heard the council have agreed to at least pull out the confiscation part of the draft. Because NYPD does not have the ability to safely transport the bikes.
BUMP
E MAIL OR CALL YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER!
THIS BILL IS NOT DEAD!!!!!!!!!!
If any of you ever intend to ever park your motorcycle (for any amount of time) on the streets of NYC, and do not wish to receive a $1000 ticket, you really need to come down to City Hall THIS WEDNESDAY, Jan 7th! There will be NYC Council general advocacy sessions.
Meeting: WEDNESDAY, Jan 7th, In front of 250 Broadway.
There will be 2 sessions. The first at 11am.
We need people to show up before 11 and be prepared to go through metal detectors, so get there early!
The second session will be at 12:30pm.
Please try to approach your respective council member and explain why he/she needs to vote NO to Bill 416A!!
Please tell them that you care about this issue and that you VOTE!
We need bodies there to support this fight!
Howie and 2001chromo will be there, please come out and keep them company! ;)
I cannot stress how important this really is!
For those of you in surrounding areas of NYC, don't think this won't affect you!
If this passes in NYC, you know it will pass every where else more easily.
if you go bring a helmet, so they (council members) immediately recognize you ride!
Does anyone on here live in either Northeast Queens or the Upper West Side?
I may be able to set up a meeting with Tony Avello, Council Member of NE Queens. I need residents of his district to come with me, it will be much more effective!
Also if you live in the Upper West Side, I'm still trying to set up a meeting with Council Member Brewer to show my presentation of my survey to fight 416. If I can being a large group with me, again, it would be MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE!!
PLEASE CONTACT ME VIA PM
Do Semi Trucks drvie through NYC ?
Seems to me that they are louder than any motocycle .
They pollute more. I'm sure they pay more in road use taxes but the people who they keep awake don't care about that.
What would happen if you took the tag off your bike at night if it's parked on the street?
Are the cops going to look until they find a Vin# to ticket it or just confiscate the bike ?
How do the cops know what decibel your pipe(s) are putting out if the bike is parked. ?
With all the noise in NYC why pick on a single Motorcycle or are there gangs of roving bikes with loud pipes ?
Best of luck. I'll be hoping for the best.
Keep us posted please. Dolph
Quote from: DoubleEagle on January 06, 2009, 10:03:01 PMAre the cops going to look until they find a Vin# to ticket it or just confiscate the bike ?
How do the cops know what decibel your pipe(s) are putting out if the bike is parked. ?
That's the problem with this proposed law, they can just confiscate the bike without testing how loud it is. Even if you you have the stock pipes on your bike, if they don't see the EPA stamp, they can impound your bike.
I live in Astoria ToXiK, happy to go to a meeting but obviously a bit late now. I already emailed my member some time ago and haven't received a response.
I'm in Richmond Hill. [thumbsup]
But my drivers license still has my Bronx address, does that matter?
Quote from: EvilSteve on January 07, 2009, 06:44:03 AM
I live in Astoria ToXiK, happy to go to a meeting but obviously a bit late now. I already emailed my member some time ago and haven't received a response.
D,
I haven't received a response from MY council woman either. So far Council Member Avello of Queens is the only one that has replied.
I'm still waiting on scheduling the meeting. When it's scheduled I'll give you a shout.
Michelle
as for those in NYC willing to help:
I am willing to meet with your council member if you are able to secure a meeting with him/her.
Perhaps we can make a list of everyone's City Council District.
I'm told the magic number is 20 people to get a meeting. (now all 20 probably don't need to be constituents, but it would help if the person trying to arrange the meeting is).
to find out your district check here: http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml (http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml)
I'll get this rolling:
IndustrialGrrrl aka ToXiK- District 6
2001Chromo- District 6
So, someone on another forum said that they didn't pass the law today. Is this true ????
The bill is going through a rewrite and will come up for vote again. The bill is not dead, not even in a coma. The fight is not over.
District 22 - guess who: Peter F. Vallone, Jr
I've emailed, I received no response.
Hopefully the re-write will be a little more fair. Personally I'm all for open pipes being made completely illegal but the proposed law was inequitable and draconian to say the least.
Quote from: EvilSteve on January 08, 2009, 08:44:45 PM
District 22 - guess who: Peter F. Vallone, Jr
I've emailed, I received no response.
Hopefully the re-write will be a little more fair. Personally I'm all for open pipes being made completely illegal but the proposed law was inequitable and draconian to say the least.
From what I remember, a very little more fair is what it will be, far from acceptable. If you can, go to his office in person. If you can't catch his ear My guess is you won't) talk to someone on his staff and present Michelle's Power Point http://www.industrialgrrrl.com/temp/ and your obviously reasonable point of view. Also ask for a meeting. I think it would be easy to find 20 of us that would like to speak with him.
I just called his office, the lady said that I would get a call back to discuss but I won't hold my breath on that either.
Of course, no one got back to me.
Does anyone have any updates?
we met with Council Member Avella of NE Queens. Went very well, he stated he would not support the bill.
At this time the bill is being re-written. So soon it will be 416B and a new public hearing announced.
Everyone is waiting for the next hearing at City Hall to be announced. AMA as well as another organization I believe, will be testifying against the Bill!!
Many signatures were collected on a petition at the bike show last weekend.
I was told today that the AMA attorney was impressed with my power point, and that hopefully it will open some more eyes. Quite frankly I'm shocked how much this very simple power point has helped.
I've also learned that the AMA isn't as big as we all believe, so every little bit we can do to help ourselves really does help.
I've yet to hear from my OWN council member, which pisses me off.
Have any dates been announced for completion of the revised bill?
Personally I'd like to see them drop the EPA based definition bit. Just have them say, anyone running open pipes because that the real issue they're supposedly wanting to address.
F the AMA, still not a member, still not interested.
Quote from: ToXiK on January 23, 2009, 05:55:33 PM
we met with Council Member Avella of NE Queens. Went very well, he stated he would not support the bill.
At this time the bill is being re-written. So soon it will be 416B and a new public hearing announced.
Everyone is waiting for the next hearing at City Hall to be announced. AMA as well as another organization I believe, will be testifying against the Bill!!
Many signatures were collected on a petition at the bike show last weekend.
I was told today that the AMA attorney was impressed with my power point, and that hopefully it will open some more eyes. Quite frankly I'm shocked how much this very simple power point has helped.
I've also learned that the AMA isn't as big as we all believe, so every little bit we can do to help ourselves really does help.
I've yet to hear from my OWN council member, which pisses me off.
thanks for your continued hard work
for those that want to keep updated on what is going on with 416A, please join:
http://www.meetup.com/bill416/ (http://www.meetup.com/bill416/)
it's short and sweet, but I would like to get more of us "independents" counted in this battle and on board. We're trying to get this effort more organized. There's no need for you to post whore, ;) but we do need everyone who is negatively going to be affected by 416A to join. This INCLUDES anyone that would potentially park a bike at ANY time in NYC, not just residents of NYC but anyone commuting in as well, or visiting a buddy in the boroughs.
(I would appreciate if you mention that I sent ya, as usual I have the same nick over there as well ;D)
TIA,
M
I just received this email from Speaker Quinn
Quote
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and views about Proposed Int. No. 416-A.
I know a lot of folks are concerned that this bill unfairly targets motorcyclists and could result in the widespread seizure and forfeiture of people's bikes.
Now, this is certainly not something I would support, nor do I believe it's the intent of this legislation.
Proposed Int. No. 416-A, sponsored by Council Member Gerson, is aimed specifically at reducing the level of noise in our City by prohibiting the parking, standing, or stopping of motorcycles equipped with straight pipes. Current laws aimed at such motorcycles require the noise to be heard before the police can actually act. However, it's difficult and often dangerous for police officers to pull over moving motorcycles, so these types of vehicles are rarely ticketed. Proposed Int. No. 416-A would help ensure public health and safety by allowing a police officer to examine a parked motorcycle's muffler to determine whether it falls under the definition of "straight pipe" provided in the bill.
On December 14, 2006, the Council's Public Safety Committee, chaired by Council Member Peter Vallone, Jr., held a hearing to discuss the proposed bill. After this hearing, the bill was revised. A second hearing on the amended bill was held on December 10, 2008.
Since then Council Members have continued to meet with concerned citizens in order to discuss the proposed legislation. Efforts are currently being made to address some of the concerns raised about the proposed law, and to help make sure that it only meets its stated intent.
As always, the health and quality of life of all New Yorkers must be our first priority when weighing this or any other legislation that may impact public safety. Please be assured that as we continue to review this legislation and discuss changes, balancing the need to regulate noise in the city with the interests of the motorcycle community, the comments and concerns of all interested stakeholders will be taken into careful consideration.
Thank you again for sharing your thoughts and views on this important matter with me. I will be sure to keep you updated on any new developments with this bill as they occur.
Sincerely,
Christine C. Quinn
Speaker
I just got the exact same email. [roll]
Some of us have been watching this from afar.
We're pulling for ya! [moto]
I haven't received anything at all, apparently my council member DGAF about my opinion and request for a response. If I don't receive something, I promise that I'll never vote for him again.
There's an old saying in Tennessee â€" I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee â€" that says, fool me once, shame on â€" [pauses] - shame on you. Fool me â€" I can't get fooled again. (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_W._Bush)
Quote from: 2001cromo on February 02, 2009, 12:07:58 PM
I just got the exact same email. [roll]
Me too. Obviously a form letter. I will respond to it though.
I got it as well.
sorry for posting this up so late
CCMS (Concerned Citizens for Motorcycle Safety) is looking for volunteers to join them in a visit to several NYC Council Members this week.
Tuesday February 3rd
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they will be visiting 2 Council Members in Queens.
JOHN LUI
District Office Address
135-27 38th Avenue
Suite 388
Flushing, New York 11354
and
THOMAS WHITE, JR
District Office Address
145- 40 Rockaway Blvd
South Ozone Park, New York 11436
If you are available please call CCMS
MZLADYLEGZ (914) 906 -9806
JERRY (347) 682-8701
NAUGHTY (917) 474-4645
They will be meeting at 10:30 AM SHARP!!!
at the BP gas station, at Bushwick Ave (Just off the Jackie Robinson EXPWY)
Thursday, Feb. 5th
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They will be visiting 2 council members in The Bronx.
G. OLIVER KOPPELL
District Office Address
3636 Waldo Avenue
Bronx, New York 10463
and
JOEL RIVERA
District Office Address
1901 Southern Blvd
Bronx, New York 10460
again
They will be meeting at 10:30 AM SHARP!!!
at BP gas station, at Bushwick Ave (Just off the Jackie Robinson EXPWY)
ANYONE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING PLEASE CONTACT CCMS, INC.
MZLADYLEGZ (914) 906-9806
JERRY (347) 682-8701
NAUGHTY (917) 474-4645
If anyone wants to get the latest on this issue, go here:
http://www.suspectsunlimited.com/forum/index.php?topic=936.0 (http://www.suspectsunlimited.com/forum/index.php?topic=936.0)
Latest word is that one of the bill sponsors, Councilman Liu, has removed his name from the bill.
Quote from: Chchadder on February 17, 2009, 07:43:33 PM
Latest word is that one of the bill sponsors, Councilman Liu, has removed his name from the bill.
That is an important victory. Any link to that info? ?
Howie,
I posted that on the meetup site. Just found out yesterday. Liu's office called Tanya and she sent me this
"Phil, from CM John Liu office just called (before my 4:55PM deadline). CM Liu has formally filed the paperwork to be removed as a sponsor of Intro 416(a).
Please take the time to formally thank him for his support.
Now for the wording........
While you say thank you ......please ask him to sway two colleagues (or assist you with swaying). And please cc myself (tanya4ny@gmail.com)
New York City Council, 20th District
Hon. John C. Liu,
Chair, Committee on Transportation
250 Broadway 14th Floor
New York, NY 10007
liu@council.nyc.ny.us
"
Wow! Thanks. As someone who was there I can say your Power Point has a lot do do with the success of these meetings.
Is there anything else I can do to help?
My goal would be to actually introduce laws addressing the issue of open pipes because that is a legitimate issue IMO.
Quote from: EvilSteve on February 18, 2009, 06:26:32 AM
Is there anything else I can do to help?
My goal would be to actually introduce laws addressing the issue of open pipes because that is a legitimate issue IMO.
This issue is already covered in two New York State laws.
NYS Vehicle & Traffic Law, Article 9, Section 381
Makes modification of motorcycle exhaust that increases noise level over stock systems illegal
NYS Vehicle & Traffic Law, Article 10, Section 386.
Sets a maximum db level of 82 up to 35 MPH and 86 over 35MPH
Sure, but those laws aren't actually enforced. While that is the case, we're going to keep seeing people introducing 416 style legislation because there's actually a problem. Not saying it's the right way but it's certainly the easy way.
The right way is enforce existing laws. The easy way is what they want to do. Certified hand held noise level meters can cost as little as $100, add a little police training, job done.
Quote from: howie on February 18, 2009, 10:35:33 AM
The right way is enforce existing laws. The easy way is what they want to do. Certified hand held noise level meters can cost as little as $100, add a little police training, job done.
Then you could even use those little decibel meters to enforce other already in place laws for the idiots with their loud stereos/cars/trucks and so on.... mo money mo money mo money for the city and they'd be cutting down on noise overall. Cha Ching!!!!!
but I don't want to think too far out of the box....
They don`t need meters. Just like I got a ticket for window tint(that was legal). Cop said it was 37% instead of 35% at night w/ out a meter. Just to inconvenience you.
COMMUNITY MEETING
NY MOTORCYCLE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO ATTEND
SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 22ND 4PM
IS 8 - RS Grossley Jr. High School
108-35 167th St.
Jamaica, NY 11433
CCMS will present an agenda covering the following information:
Proposition 416-A
State/Federal Efforts
Council visits and community accountability
Policing our community
Safety/Informational Seminars
Manufacturers role & responsibility
Police Harassment (the season is fast approaching, are we ready...)
Motorcycle Awareness Effort
Fallen Rider Run
Please come and get the information for yourself and/or for your club. Take part in CCMS efforts to safeguard our rights and our safety on the roads. If you aren't a part of the solution you are a part of the problem.
All the way in Jamaica? damn thats far!
What is CCMS?
Quote from: He Man on February 18, 2009, 09:17:10 PM
All the way in Jamaica? damn thats far!
What is CCMS?
CCMS stands for Concerned Citizens For Motorcycle Safety, which, I guess can be described as an umbrella organization for clubs and independent riders. Below are links to give you a better idea.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ccmsny (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ccmsny)
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/Concerned%20Citizens%20for%20Motorcycle%20Safety (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/Concerned%20Citizens%20for%20Motorcycle%20Safety)
http://forevainracingmode.com/fighting_for_motorcyclist_rights_in_nyc.html (http://forevainracingmode.com/fighting_for_motorcyclist_rights_in_nyc.html)
Quote from: He Man on February 18, 2009, 09:17:10 PM
What is CCMS?
It's a committee made of 8 people (2 are independent riders, the others are from local sportbike MCs). There's no real membership, which is a bit misleading. They are trying to get info out to the sportbike MC community.
Yet another councilman has taken his name off the bill as a sponsor.
http://www.meetup.com/bill416/boards/view/viewthread?thread=6411942 (http://www.meetup.com/bill416/boards/view/viewthread?thread=6411942)
Thanks to all who are working so hard on this!! [bow_down]
http://www.meetup.com/bill416/boards/view/viewthread?thread=6559302 (http://www.meetup.com/bill416/boards/view/viewthread?thread=6559302)
They just don't stop...