Hey everyone,
I am looking to purchase a new helmet with an inner visor does anyone have any recommendations? My top 3 choices for now are the Scorpion 1000, HJC, and the Shark. I need people's help, is it even worth the purchase? Thanks for the help.
check this thread for pics of most of them.
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=20844.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=20844.0)
This is due to arrive via fedex tomorrow afternoon so i will post pics and impressions once it arrives.
i have scoured the internet for a pic of it on a rider with no luck
(http://www.custombikeparts.se/Graphics/Products/3705g_m.jpg)
schuberth is also worth a look
this helmet belongs to stopintime and the more i look at it the more i think it looks fantastic.
i was not able to find a u.s. source for this helmet though (R1 iirc)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l394/stopintime/Stickermodsonhelmet.jpg)
Find a few shops that carry each/all of these, try them on and buy the one that fits you best.
There are at least two other threads that discuss the EXO-1000.
I'm in Europe and can't help you with US sources for Schuberth - in fact their website does not mention America at all.
I got mine here: http://www.fc-moto.de/epages/fcm.sf (http://www.fc-moto.de/epages/fcm.sf)
Probably won't be DOT approved if that's a requirement.
In the turbulence behind a fairing my R1 is really loud. Standing up above the turbulence it's very very quiet. It's a sport helmet and the flip up C3 or superior S1 Pro are much tighter around the neck. The R1 and S1 Pro fit very similar to the oval shaped Arai helmets I tried on.
In general, about the sun visor, direct sunlight will travel through three layers of plastic (visor, pinlock and sun visor) and sometimes seems to create unwanted reflexes. My guess is that most sun visors aren't, but should have been, treated with a coat of anti-reflex (like regular glasses can be).
Here's a serious [thumbsup] for Schuberth.
Best your money can buy, seriously. I had a Caberg Justissimo GT last summer and bought my Schuberth S1 this winter. The difference to Caberg (and others I've tried with including Shoei and Marushin) is too big to compare.
Schuberth is the most silent helmet out there proven in many tests. And it handles the airflow good too, at least my head doesn't spin around as it used to last summer :)
Of course they're a bit expensive but go and try and you'll never go back...
Quote from: gt78fin on April 30, 2009, 12:14:28 PM
Here's a serious [thumbsup] for Schuberth.
during my searches i found only the modular (C series) types and the S1 regular.
It seems like the S1pro and the R1 can not be had in the US, even ebay.
just keep in mind if you decide to buy an older or import a schuberth you are going to
have to order parts from overseas if anything breaks
> as for the nexx, big thumbs down for FedEx., They provided two "tracking" pings.
one when the seller dropped off the package and one after it didnt show on its delivery date.
i put quotes around tracking because the seller told me when they dropped it off and i could clearly
see that it did not arrive so their "tracking" did me exactly zero good. [bang] will post tomorrow when its now set to arrive,
but of course that means nothing since one drop off date already came and went [roll]
UPS ftw
Guys thanks for the help. As anyone tried the Inner visor made by Shark. I havent tried the Scorpion on for a while but I want to try all 3 on and ride around with them for a bit. But thanks for the advice, I am still up in the air which one i will go with. Thanks
Quote from: adpeacock on May 01, 2009, 07:33:37 PM
Guys thanks for the help. As anyone tried the Inner visor made by Shark. I havent tried the Scorpion on for a while but I want to try all 3 on and ride around with them for a bit. But thanks for the advice, I am still up in the air which one i will go with. Thanks
That Shark helmet is
brand new. I tried one on at Cycle Gear. It was pretty cool, but heavy. The chin bar rotates all the way back like the ...(can't think of the name!).
the full rotation chin strap must be nice but im not a big fan of the weight if its gonna be heavy. Any other suggestions for helmets I should check out.
Quote from: pompetta on May 02, 2009, 05:51:36 AM
That Shark helmet is brand new. I tried one on at Cycle Gear. It was pretty cool, but heavy. The chin bar rotates all the way back like the ...(can't think of the name!).
like the ROOF boxer
(http://shop.scootech.co.uk/ekmps/shops/sc00tech/images/casque.jpg)
Just curious, you know that all the flip front full face helmets actually only have 3/4 helmet safety ratings, yes?
After reading most of the webbikeworld reviews I think they usually like the straight cut bottom shades best. Usually the visor is far enough from your face that the nose cut out doesn't really do anything.
Quote from: adpeacock on April 29, 2009, 07:31:20 PM
Hey everyone,
I am looking to purchase a new helmet with an inner visor does anyone have any recommendations? My top 3 choices for now are the Scorpion 1000, HJC, and the Shark. I need people's help, is it even worth the purchase? Thanks for the help.
I'm also looking at getting a new helmet. I have used Scorpion EXO-1000 before. I can attest in a crash, it's solid, zero head injury. :) It is feature-rich with changable inner visor and cheek pump, etc. But very heavy 4+lb. HJC IS-16 seems interesting. It got '3-position' visor (on the Scorpion I always feel that the visor should come down a little more, HJC will dot hat). And it is amazingly light for the features it got, about 3lb 8oz i believe. However, it is ONLY DOT approved, not SNELL. Don't want to get into debate, but DOT does not require mandatory testing. 'DOT approved' helmet from various manufacturers failed random testing regularly. So... it's a bit of a gamble w/o SNELL-approved helmet.
Have no experience w/ Shark tho...
I disagree with the post above. Snell rated helmets are harder to pass the testing, and as such they transmit more force to the brain. Personally, I could care less about a Snell rating. ECE-22.05 (http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-helmets/ece-22-05.htm) is becoming more common and is a better rating. But, YMMV.
Quote from: pompetta on May 03, 2009, 06:10:23 PM
\ Personally, I could care less about a Snell rating. ECE-22.05 (http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-helmets/ece-22-05.htm) is becoming more common and is a better rating. But, YMMV.
this seems to be becoming the consensus, but to each their own rating
Quote from: erkishhorde on May 02, 2009, 05:58:30 PM
Just curious, you know that all the flip front full face helmets actually only have 3/4 helmet safety ratings, yes?
although the nexx is not snell approved, from webbikeworld.com
"The X30 meets ECE 22.05 safety standards as a full-face helmet. The Nexx X30 sold in North America meets DOT standards."
so far i really like the nexx, it looks great i was at the motorcycle safety course today and even the instructor asked me where i got it.
its quiet, its very comfotable, its unique and the flip face and sunshield are both very nice features. The lack of a moving shield
is somewhat annoying but the defog vent works well at 15mph+. if i were commuting in the morning fog in stop and go traffic
i would definitely invest in a regular full face to round out the lineup, but stop and go with the whole face up is really fine, and its easy to lower once u pick up speed.
One thing that makes me mad is that most of the nice metallic colors from europe are not available in the US and the "soft" color is some sort of coating, i already have a
small tear in the back of the helmet. no idea what its from, i have never dropped it and the shell has never touched the ground. must be road debris.
If nexx ever makes a x30 maxijet II with a flipping visor in addition to the package they already have, i would definitely pick one up in another color.
I rate it a 8/10 as a 2ndary helmet, but it may not meet all your needs if it is a primary helmet depending on the climate and type of riding you do.
(pics to follow)
im just gonna post that blurb and the rest of the pics in a seperate thread so not to hijack, but heres one
(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs004.snc1/2798_891907977194_9324894_57309908_289088_n.jpg)
Quote from: pompetta on May 03, 2009, 06:10:23 PM
I disagree with the post above. Snell rated helmets are harder to pass the testing, and as such they transmit more force to the brain. Personally, I could care less about a Snell rating. ECE-22.05 (http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-helmets/ece-22-05.htm) is becoming more common and is a better rating. But, YMMV.
I sorta knew this will start SNELL / DOT arguments. [roll] But my point is that, there's no required testing for DOT, and enforcing it has been minimal. At least w/ SNELL, you are guarantee some testing was done. More detail here:
http://4wheeldrive.about.com/cs/beginningatv/a/atvriderhelmets_4.htm (http://4wheeldrive.about.com/cs/beginningatv/a/atvriderhelmets_4.htm)
Most disturbing to me is the statement:
QuoteYou might be surprised to learn that more than half of all helmets recently tested with the DOT sticker on them actually failed DOT's lab tests
None of the helmets I'm looking at so far has ECE-22.05 rating on it, but I'll surely look into it. Also, you may want to give more detail around what you mean by
Snell rated helmets are harder to pass the testing, and as such they transmit more force to the brain. Harder to pass doesn't means more force to the brain.
Wow, I didnt know that DOT didnt do testing, but at least I know kind of helmet standards I should be looking for. The guy that sold me my helmet originally had no idea what the difference between the two test ratings were. Maybe they should do the harder of the two tests as a standard since it is people's lives on the line if something happens. But I guess in this day and age pepole cutting corners and not doing the right thing kind of bothers me. Thanks for all the advice definitely keep the post going.
FYI: Pic of my EXO-1000 after the crash. Literally, I didn't feel the impact at all.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k29/slntdth42/Multistrada%20Crash/P7120408.jpg)
Not to have you relive the experience in your head at all, but if you dont mind me asking how fast were you going, and what happened? Thanks for the pic though.
Not at all, as I walked away w/ relatively minor injuries, it was probably the best given the situation.
It was pretty slow speed, probably 20mph or less. I was making a right turn into my local street on my Multistrada. I had my right turn blinker on (it was still on while the bike was on the ground). But as I slow down the kid behind me was absent-minded and somehow he thought I'm making a LEFT turn. So he tried to pass me on the right at the same time as I was initiating the lean. Not a good combo.
I put a pretty good dent on his car. After that I don't remember exactly how I hit the ground, just rolling for a while and came to a stop. Suffer some shoulder pain and road rash. But that was it.
I tried to figure out how to avoid this in the future, but not sure what else I can do. Just about everything was done properly.
I have had a few Schuberths over the last 5 years and give them top marks for their lids. [thumbsup]
Started with a Concept flip-up which I loved, but found quite heavy on longer trips. I eventually bought an S1 Nordic Dragon while on holidays in the UK. Sold that one and instead bought an R1, again while in the UK, which is my current lid and absolute favorite helmet. It's light, aerodynamic, has slightly better air circulation than the S1. It's also louder than the S1 but I always wear ear plugs so that issue doesn't factor.
The S1 is/was available in the US and is DOT approved. Extreme Supply have a few remaining S1's in stock at super discounted prices.
http://www.extremesupply.com/schuberthhelmets/schuberthmotorcycle.htm (http://www.extremesupply.com/schuberthhelmets/schuberthmotorcycle.htm)
:)
Quote from: redial on May 03, 2009, 06:38:47 PM
although the nexx is not snell approved, from webbikeworld.com
"The X30 meets ECE 22.05 safety standards as a full-face helmet. The Nexx X30 sold in North America meets DOT standards."
Ah, sorry, meant to say "most." It's the chinbar hoop that lets them pass. So some of the flip fronts like the roof which don't have the hoop will act like a 3/4 helmet.
Just for safety, I dont know if I would go with a flip front helmet just based on the peace of mind that it wont shatter if I go down.
Quote from: erkishhorde on May 04, 2009, 09:29:58 AM
So some of the flip fronts like the roof which don't have the hoop will act like a 3/4 helmet.
i get the point you guys are making, but i dont think its exactly fair to act as if on impact a flippable face shield will disintigrate.
that being said, if i know im going down today, im reaching for a standard full face [thumbsup]
Quote from: redial on May 05, 2009, 05:32:10 AM
i get the point you guys are making, but i dont think its exactly fair to act as if on impact a flippable face shield will disintigrate.
that being said, if i know im going down today, im reaching for a standard full face [thumbsup]
I also read something about flip face helmets being dangerous due to the flip mechanism displacing a larger portion of impact absorbing foam than a normal visor mechanism since it's bigger and stronger. Not sure how much validity I put into this but IIRC the argument was the the mechanism usually ends up being right around where your temples are and, in a crash, the flip mechanism can bash your temples which is really bad. *shrug* I'd still like to try one someday.
I admittedly don't know many people that use 3/4 helmets but I've never heard of one surviving a crash in tact unless they only hit the back of their head in which case it doesn't really matter 3/4 vs full. Usually I hear about the mechanism breaking on 1 side and flapping around during the crash. That's not to say that your face is totally exposed but I like something solid in front of my face.