may as well have a topic for it... the damn thing is already in full swing.
Graziano Rossi: "Valentino Will Stay With Yamaha Until He Retires" (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/01/21/graziano_rossi_valentino_will_stay_with_.html)
Ducati: Retaining Stoner is priority (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80885)
+ innumerable mentions already in other threads re what happens to the Big Four next year. Honda is positioning themselves for a bigtime comeback as well.
I don't believe the parents comments on these issues. Wasn't it Spies mom who said he wasn't going to GP this year.
I started to make some predictions as to who would go where, but then I had like 20 permutations. This is the only thing which I'd bet on: Lorenzo and Rossi will not be teammates in 2011.
Other random thoughts re 2011:
Stoner will either be at Ducati or Honda.
Spies will be on a factory Yamaha.
Hayden will be riding for John Deere.
Dovi will lose his factory ride or go to Suzuki (which is like a satellite team).
Simoncelli will not get a haircut.
Pedrosa will still be a douchenozzle.
Quote from: Spidey on January 21, 2010, 09:43:17 AM
Other random thoughts re 2011:
Hayden will be riding for John Deere.
Dovi will lose his factory ride or go to Suzuki (which is like a satellite team).
Simoncelli will not get a haircut.
Pedrosa will still be a douchenozzle.
LOL!
1) The Zukes will still be backmarkers, even with the switch to 1000cc
2) Some douchebag guest commentator will call them "drivers" again
3) Someone, somewhere will miss Chris Vermeulen.
Quote from: desmoquattro on January 21, 2010, 09:58:37 AM
LOL!
1) The Zukes will still be backmarkers, even with the switch to 1000cc
2) Some douchebag guest commentator will call them "drivers" again
3) Someone, somewhere will miss Chris Vermeulen.
AND SOMEONE will lament the loss of the suck formerly known as James Toseland...
Quote from: zooom on January 21, 2010, 10:33:22 AM
AND SOMEONE will lament the loss of the suck formerly known as James Toseland...
Toseland vs. The Mole in WSBK...the battle for 7th place will be
epic!
Quote from: desmoquattro on January 21, 2010, 10:35:14 AM
Toseland vs. The Mole in WSBK...the battle for 7th place will be epic!
[laugh] the mole does really have a lock on 7th, doesn't he...
regarding the Suzuki factory-satellite team: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81001 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81001)
Quote from: desmoquattro on January 21, 2010, 10:35:14 AM
Toseland vs. The Mole in WSBK...the battle for 7th place will be epic!
WOW...you are being REALLY nice giving them 7th to fight for...especially given the satelite 'Priller's and privateer Duc's that are highly competitive out in that field....I was thinking more like 10th/11th-ish...
Quote from: zooom on January 22, 2010, 02:19:00 AMgiven the satelite 'Priller's that are highly competitive
uhh, based on what? ;)
i still think there's a good chance that Cal and Johnny are going to stomp on JT a bit, but i don't think he'll be riding around in the back of the pack.
As much as I dislike JT, the guy can ride a SBK. I'd be surprised if he's lower than 5th on average.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/156250/1/yamaha_boss_worried_ferrari_will_lure_rossi_to_f1.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/156250/1/yamaha_boss_worried_ferrari_will_lure_rossi_to_f1.html)
Quote from: gm2 on January 25, 2010, 12:11:11 PM
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/156250/1/yamaha_boss_worried_ferrari_will_lure_rossi_to_f1.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/156250/1/yamaha_boss_worried_ferrari_will_lure_rossi_to_f1.html)
There's plenty of precedent. Plus the money/fame is better there...
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on January 25, 2010, 01:26:02 PM
There's plenty of precedent. Plus the money/fame is better there...
if you're not talking about rossi, maybe...
he's
already one of the most famous, highest paid athletes in the world. last year's "highest paid athlete" list had raikkonen tied for 2nd @ $45MM and rossi in 9th @ $35MM. the second highest-paid f1 racer was lewis hamilton in 13th place @ $32MM.
the list:
1. Tiger Woods $110 million
2. Kobe Bryant $45 million
2. Michael Jordan $45 million
2. Kimi Raikkonen $45 million
5. David Beckham $42 million
6. LeBron James $40 million
6. Phil Mickelson $40 million
6. Manny Pacquaio $40 million
9. Valentino Rossi $35 million
10. Dale Earnhardt Jr. $34 million
11. Roger Federer $33 million
11. Shaquille O'Neil $33 million
13. Oscar De La Hoya $32 million
13. Lewis Hamilton $32 million
13. Alex Rodriguez $32 million
16. Vijay Singh $31 million
17. Kevin Garnett $30 million
17. Jeff Gordon $30 million
17. Derek Jeter $30 million
17. Ronaldhino $30 million
Our list of the highest-paid athletes looks at earnings derived from salaries, bonuses, prize money, endorsements and licensing income between June 2008 and June 2009 and does not deduct for taxes or agents' fees. Overall the top 20 earned $789 million, down 1% from last year. The cut-off to make the list was $30 million.
Quote from: derby on January 25, 2010, 04:42:44 PM
if you're not talking about rossi, maybe...
he's already one of the most famous, highest paid athletes in the world. last year's "highest paid athlete" list had raikkonen tied for 2nd @ $45MM and rossi in 9th @ $35MM. the second highest-paid f1 racer was lewis hamilton in 13th place @ $32MM.
the list:
1. Tiger Woods $110 million
2. Kobe Bryant $45 million
2. Michael Jordan $45 million
2. Kimi Raikkonen $45 million
5. David Beckham $42 million
6. LeBron James $40 million
6. Phil Mickelson $40 million
6. Manny Pacquaio $40 million
9. Valentino Rossi $35 million
10. Dale Earnhardt Jr. $34 million
11. Roger Federer $33 million
11. Shaquille O'Neil $33 million
13. Oscar De La Hoya $32 million
13. Lewis Hamilton $32 million
13. Alex Rodriguez $32 million
16. Vijay Singh $31 million
17. Kevin Garnett $30 million
17. Jeff Gordon $30 million
17. Derek Jeter $30 million
17. Ronaldhino $30 million
Our list of the highest-paid athletes looks at earnings derived from salaries, bonuses, prize money, endorsements and licensing income between June 2008 and June 2009 and does not deduct for taxes or agents' fees. Overall the top 20 earned $789 million, down 1% from last year. The cut-off to make the list was $30 million.
Mickleson makes more than Rossi?
He never wins... :P
retired guy #3 on the list.. .sheesh.
Quote from: gm2 on January 25, 2010, 08:11:37 PM
retired guy #3 on the list.. .sheesh.
That struck me odd as well. :P
I suspect the $ gap from #1 to #2 may be a good bit less for '09. [roll]
#3 retired guy though has a branded endorsement contract/agreement for liscencing unlike any other I've ever seen...between shoe and clothing branding and then motorcycle gear...and I know he is diversified...I remember reading something in S.I. a few years ago ( it was the swimsuit issue, the only reason I had really picked it up, but the article happened to be in there) he talked a little about how he has his hands in many pots for to keep him well for many a year to come....so I am not surprised he is on that list....as high as he is, yes, but on there...no.
Ferrari president: Rossi a potential F1 world champion (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/156395/1/ferrari_rossi_a_potential_f1_world_champion.html)
Quote from: gm2 on January 29, 2010, 12:29:35 PM
Ferrari president: Rossi a potential F1 world champion (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/156395/1/ferrari_rossi_a_potential_f1_world_champion.html)
I still say he goes
I still say he goes only after he has turned Lorenzo into a whimping blob who just sits in the corner of the asylum making throttle twisting motions and wetting himself. ;D
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/156549/1/jarvis_ben_spies_has_learning_year_ahead.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/156549/1/jarvis_ben_spies_has_learning_year_ahead.html)
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/02/04/yamaha_press_conference_transcript_data_.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/02/04/yamaha_press_conference_transcript_data_.html)
Q. To VR: If you have to leave Yamaha at the end of the year, will we be more likely to see you with the red Ducati or the red Ferrari?
Valentino Rossi: I have decided to not speak anymore about 2011 because everything I say is good in one way and bad in another. I simply don't know what will happen.
Q. To VR: You will be 31 soon...
Valentino Rossi: Very soon! But I think if my body stays the same and the motivation stays the same then it will be possible to make two or three more years like this in MotoGP. But anyway it depends on my result because, I am Valentino Rossi, I won a lot of races, a lot of championships and when I understand that I can't do this anymore, I know it's time to stay at home, work in the garden...!
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/03/12/rossi_i_would_feel_like_a_traitor_going_.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/03/12/rossi_i_would_feel_like_a_traitor_going_.html)
Really interesting article on how the 2011 Silly Season will total negate any cost cutting they've done so far because of the salary bidding for the Aliens. It predicts Lorenzo to Honda, Pedrosa to Ducati, Stoner and Rossi to stay put and The Ben to Fiat Yamaha.
http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2010/03/21/the_price_of_success_how_the_2010_silly_.html (http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2010/03/21/the_price_of_success_how_the_2010_silly_.html)
I hope he's wrong.
The bot will fail on the Duc too.
Geez I hope Pedro doesn't come over to Ducati. :P
...although, since he is so tiny the D16 could probably launch him half way across the circuit! :o [laugh]
pedro would make the most sense on an M1.
...not that i want to see that.
Quote from: gm2 on March 22, 2010, 11:11:20 AM
pedro would make the most sense on an M1.
...not that i want to see that.
I'd agree.
He requires predictable, and the Duc has never shown itself to be that.
Lorenzo says he wants to stay with Yamaha and would be fine having Rossi as a teammate. Really, this whole thing boils down to what Rossi decides to do.
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/03/23/lorenzo_happy_to_stay_at_yamaha_alongsid.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/03/23/lorenzo_happy_to_stay_at_yamaha_alongsid.html)
Quote from: Spidey on March 23, 2010, 01:16:23 PM
Lorenzo says he wants to stay with Yamaha and would be fine having Rossi as a teammate. Really, this whole thing boils down to what Rossi decides to do.
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/03/23/lorenzo_happy_to_stay_at_yamaha_alongsid.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/03/23/lorenzo_happy_to_stay_at_yamaha_alongsid.html)
"I would like to stay with Yamaha, because [it's the best bike on the paddock. and i don't want to be beat by The Ben on my bike if we go somewhere else. Besides, the way it stands today, i get what i want at yamaha]..."
Quote from: Spidey on March 23, 2010, 01:16:23 PMReally, this whole thing boils down to what Rossi decides to do.
exactly. other than money, there's, currently, zero reason* for him to want to go anywhere. let's face it, in motogp you want rossi + JB on your side.
*edit: unless he convinces himself that the way to beat rossi is to
not be on the same bike. would be foolish imo, but you gotta consider it. esp if Suppo is over there preparing a gigantic HRC check + a lot of promises.
I really think Lorenzo bolts for Honda with a big payday. I don't think Yamaha can afford two top dogs, and you have to keep Rossi until he retires. You already have The Ben in the back pocket.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83306 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83306)
btw.. in the course of the OEMs (probably) getting to run existing 800s or heavier-but-still-prototype 1000s as of 2012, honda and yamaha are the ones who have said we "want to keep the 800s".
valentino says the 800s are the biggest mistake of the last 15 years.
ducati would like to go back to 1000s.
just sayin'.
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/stoner-to-repsol-honda-in-2011/11259.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/stoner-to-repsol-honda-in-2011/11259.html)
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Stoner to Repsol Honda in 2011?
Repsol Honda MotoGP boss spotted in negotiations with former MotoGP champ
I know, I know...but this
is a thread on
silly season...my prediction:
Yamaha: Lorentho, The Ben
Honda: Stoner, Dovi
Ducati: Yeah, I'll say it...Rossi
Suzuki: Does it matter/Smurfy McDouchenozzle.
...and then the class implodes in 2012.
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 05, 2010, 03:40:36 AM
[ Suzuki: Does it matter/Smurfy McDouchenozzle.
I'd say he'd be more likely to occupy the Scot Honda seat before the Suzuki seat....
Quote from: zooom on May 05, 2010, 05:08:32 AM
I'd say he'd be more likely to occupy the Scot Honda seat before the Suzuki seat....
Yeah, but I so badly want to relegate him to irrelevance...call it projection ;D
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 05, 2010, 05:19:23 AM
Yeah, but I so badly want to relegate him to irrelevance...call it projection ;D
if that is the case then, get him on a Hayate Kawasaki! LOL ;)
Quote from: zooom on May 05, 2010, 05:28:59 AM
if that is the case then, get him on a Hayate Kawasaki! LOL ;)
Suzuki...Kawasaki...same difference these days ;D
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 05, 2010, 05:19:23 AM
Yeah, but I so badly want to relegate him to irrelevance...call it projection ;D
FB Corse test rider?
Quote from: Speeddog on May 05, 2010, 05:50:14 AM
FB Corse test rider?
Yeah, but I want him to still think he has a chance at the pointy end of the field.
LMAO! You guys are putting Spies on a factory ride over DanPed... lol, I'll have what you guys are drinking.l!! [wine]
A dour-faced git he maybe, but he can ride The Ben's pants off in GP's, I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Quote from: tufty on May 05, 2010, 08:08:29 AM
LMAO! You guys are putting Spies on a factory ride over DanPed... lol, I'll have what you guys are drinking.l!! [wine]
A dour-faced git he maybe, but he can ride The Ben's pants off in GP's, I don't see that changing anytime soon.
i think it's pretty evident that yamaha has a plan for spies... he's already occupying the "factory" seat on the poncharal squad. whether it's next year or the year after, unless something catastrophic happens, i full expect him to end up on the official factory team when a spot opens up.
Quote from: derby on May 05, 2010, 08:16:43 AM
i full expect him to end up on the official factory team when a spot opens up.
...as in when Rossi moves on...
(http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs024.snc3/11161_202836126390_201739466390_4409936_4180185_n.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
With Ducati's new engine not scaring away every rider in existence the way the old engine did and given Lorenzo's comments from a coupla days ago about how close he came to switching to the Duc, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Lorenzo ended up in red rather than Rossi.
I really don't want to see it happen, but it's more of a possibility than I thought it was.
Pedrosa stays with Honda - pretty much forever. Puig is tied to Repsol pretty heavily and Spanish money demands a spanish rider
Rossi goes wherever he wants, but he has 2-3 more years.
Jorge stays at Yamaha - They need a lead rider for when Rossi retires, and Lorenzo is 2nd or 3rd in the paddock on talent and desire.
Hayden continues to do well, and moves up and up, REALLY stepping up when they go back to real engines.
Spies stays on the B team. He tragically has no personality and no endearing factors, and that sadly is what drives sponsor dollars. As an American he is locked out without a huge influx of talent on his behalf, i will be very difficult for him to ever find a front row seat in MotoGP. He is a great rider to roll around and get points and do some development, notice he is on the development team with CE2. Learnign how to develop a bike for a fast euro.
Stoner will NEVER, EVER ride for a team where Livio Supo is. Ever. Private story, but look at what happened in 2009, and you should be able to figure it out. He stay with Ducati, then moves to Suzuki for a season or two, then fades away.
Dovi on a Honda for the near future.
Simon' Becomes a rockstar in his own right over the next few years, having his huge personality drive him to big wins, big crashes and big paychecks.
Quote from: RetroSBK on May 05, 2010, 08:51:04 AM
Pedrosa stays with Honda - pretty much forever. Puig is tied to Repsol pretty heavily and Spanish money demands a spanish rider
Rossi goes wherever he wants, but he has 2-3 more years.
Jorge stays at Yamaha - They need a lead rider for when Rossi retires, and Lorenzo is 2nd or 3rd in the paddock on talent and desire.
Hayden continues to do well, and moves up and up, REALLY stepping up when they go back to real engines.
Spies stays on the B team. He tragically has no personality and no endearing factors, and that sadly is what drives sponsor dollars. As an American he is locked out without a huge influx of talent on his behalf, i will be very difficult for him to ever find a front row seat in MotoGP. He is a great rider to roll around and get points and do some development, notice he is on the development team with CE2. Learnign how to develop a bike for a fast euro.
Stoner will NEVER, EVER ride for a team where Livio Supo is. Ever. Private story, but look at what happened in 2009, and you should be able to figure it out. He stay with Ducati, then moves to Suzuki for a season or two, then fades away.
Dovi on a Honda for the near future.
Simon' Becomes a rockstar in his own right over the next few years, having his huge personality hair drive him to big wins, big crashes and big paychecks.
fixed it for ya! 8) ;) ;D [cheeky]
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 05, 2010, 08:22:19 AM
...as in when Rossi moves on...
(http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs024.snc3/11161_202836126390_201739466390_4409936_4180185_n.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice photochop!!!
Quote from: RetroSBK on May 05, 2010, 08:51:04 AM
Pedrosa stays with Honda - pretty much forever. Puig is tied to Repsol pretty heavily and Spanish money demands a spanish rider
Rossi goes wherever he wants, but he has 2-3 more years.
Jorge stays at Yamaha - They need a lead rider for when Rossi retires, and Lorenzo is 2nd or 3rd in the paddock on talent and desire.
Hayden continues to do well, and moves up and up, REALLY stepping up when they go back to real engines.
Spies stays on the B team. He tragically has no personality and no endearing factors, and that sadly is what drives sponsor dollars. As an American he is locked out without a huge influx of talent on his behalf, i will be very difficult for him to ever find a front row seat in MotoGP. He is a great rider to roll around and get points and do some development, notice he is on the development team with CE2. Learnign how to develop a bike for a fast euro.
Stoner will NEVER, EVER ride for a team where Livio Supo is. Ever. Private story, but look at what happened in 2009, and you should be able to figure it out. He stay with Ducati, then moves to Suzuki for a season or two, then fades away.
Dovi on a Honda for the near future.
Simon' Becomes a rockstar in his own right over the next few years, having his huge personality drive him to big wins, big crashes and big paychecks.
lots of good stuff in this post me thinks.
mitt
Quote from: RetroSBK on May 05, 2010, 08:51:04 AM
Spies stays on the B team. He tragically has no personality and no endearing factors, and that sadly is what drives sponsor dollars. As an American he is locked out without a huge influx of talent on his behalf, i will be very difficult for him to ever find a front row seat in MotoGP. He is a great rider to roll around and get points and do some development, notice he is on the development team with CE2. Learnign how to develop a bike for a fast euro.
yeah yeah i know, i'm supposed to get all huffy about this, etc..
...but that ^^ is hilarious!
What happened between Stoner and Suppo?
I haven't read anything about it down here.
GM, Dont get me wrong, I am a HUGE fan of Ben, but in europe, its all about the money. Being European means you bring with you support from your homeland i.e. Dani and Repsol, etc.. We all know there isnt an American comapny that will sponsor a mostly euro sport. Ever been to MotoGP in europe? Pretty much ruins it for going to Laguna or Indy!
When the season cost 20+M to run, you need a LOT of money, from a lot of places, and it doesnt work that way for American riders, tragically.
Quote from: koko64 on May 06, 2010, 02:38:35 AM
What happened between Stoner and Suppo?
I haven't read anything about it down here.
Livio kinda threw him under the bus during the whole health problem
@RetroSBK... still, hilarious. i don't feel like going point by point.
-- except "notice he is on the development team with CE2"... maybe you've heard of the rookie rule?
anyway, we'll see. he's for sure on a yamaha next year. maybe it'll be monster livery, maybe it'll be fiat.
Tell me how Colin Edwards and Nicky Hayden have been on ( current or past ) factory bikes if American money is the only determining factor. I don't think sponsors are the issue. You can throw John Hopkins in there as well, since he spent time on both factory Suzuki and Kawasaki rides.
The biggest reason we don't see a lot of Americans on factory seats or just in premier racing is due to fact there are simply more talented Euros that go through the typical progression of ranks and fall into those seats. Many of them have been with the Euro sponsors/teams since they were teens and simply progress from smaller classes to the premier classes.
I think it would be great if Vale would switch to Ducati.
I'm sure the Italians would like that and it would prove if it's the bike that can't be ridden fast or the rider that can't ride the Duc fast.
Vale has proven that he can take a slower bike and win races.
On the faster Duc he should be able to win them all once he gets the feel for the " Big Red " machine.
It's always seemed odd to me that Vale rode a Yamaha since he is 1st of all an Italian , and 2nd he grew up near the Ducati factory.
Ducati deserves to have a Championship in MotoGP worthy of their Championship in World Superbike w, Troy.
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 07, 2010, 10:33:19 PM
I'm sure the Italians would like that and it would prove if it's the bike that can't be ridden fast or the rider that can't ride the Duc fast.
Vale has proven that he can take a slower bike and win races.
On the faster Duc he should be able to win them all once he gets the feel for the " Big Red " machine.
i think ducati has always felt that "anybody" should be able to ride their fast bikes to wins... much like the honda mentality. just look at the way they treated melandri (and hayden until bayliss failed to impress at his test last year).
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 07, 2010, 10:33:19 PM
It's always seemed odd to me that Vale rode a Yamaha since he is 1st of all an Italian , and 2nd he grew up near the Ducati factory.
1) the yamaha team principle is italian
2) he wanted to win and the ducati sucked when he switched to yamaha
3) urbino is 2 hours away from bologna... that's like somebody in bakersfield saying they grew up near los angeles.
The Yamaha wasn't exactly a fire starter either Derby. I'm sure Vale knew they were capable enough chassis builders, but Yamaha hadn't really done anything for quite some time. I think the challenge to develop a winner would have been a somewhat similar adventure either way he went.
In the vein of Vale taking on new challenges, you might think he's giving Ducati a serious thought. Whether or not he actually goes will remain to be seen. Winning a championship on 3 bikes has to be a serious draw though. Another part has to hinge on whether Burgess and his team are ready to make the move one last time.
Quote from: Jester on May 08, 2010, 11:08:08 AM
The Yamaha wasn't exactly a fire starter either Derby. I'm sure Vale knew they were capable enough chassis builders, but Yamaha hadn't really done anything for quite some time. I think the challenge to develop a winner would have been a somewhat similar adventure either way he went.
the previous decade of gp had been dominated by honda, yamaha, and a lone suzuki. when the switch to 4-strokes was made in 2002, it pretty much became a honda/yamaha battle.
when rossi made his switch to yamaha, ducati had only been in the series for a single year AND they were on bridgestones (when they sucked).
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 07, 2010, 10:33:19 PM
On the faster Duc he should be able to win them all once he gets the feel for the " Big Red " machine.
it's not really faster anymore.
funny thing about that though:
MotoMatters.com: First of all, you changed the firing order on the Ducati GP10, it's no longer a screamer, it's now a big bang. The riders always say the engine feels much more responsive. Why? Do you know why?
Filippo Preziosi: No. [Laughs]. So it's a very short question, very short answer! We have some ideas and have some measurements of that. We have some data and we did some analysis. But to be honest, there are some points in which there are numbers which show that the engine should be better, but there are also other numbers that show that the engine should be worse. So like usual, it's not easy to say the reason why.re the switch to yamaha, valentino had two things: a lot of pinkie-swear oaths from yamaha and, as or more importantly, JB.
I haven't seen any of the races this year but it seemed like last year in a lot of the races Stoner was out in front which would lead me to believe he was on a fast bike but then often he lost the front end for what seemed was his fault ...no contact .
Stoner often set the fastest time for pole so the Duc he was riding must have been fast.
Then the illness rumors w, Casey and then he was out for 3 races .
Rossi is just the best rider and his record speaks to it.
Yamaha should have their suspension sorted . Afterall, they have had many years to perfect it like Honda from GP to MotoGP.
I think Ducati has a pretty good engine but is still trying to get their setup right on the Desmo. I feel the 1000cc engine is better suited to the way they have been trying to build the subframe and the swingarm.
Their setup is to stiiff for the smaller engine .The bike won't move around thus it's hard for Casey to know when he's at the limit and when he can give the bike a full twist of power as he moves through a corner.
They got the 1098-R right for Troy and you saw what he did to the Japanese bikes.
I feel the big Desmo will do better when MotoGP goes back to the big engine.
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 08, 2010, 09:38:38 PM
Stoner often set the fastest time for pole so the Duc he was riding must have been fast.
It's fast, but not the fastest since the first year. Stoner is just fast...especially from the start.
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 08, 2010, 09:38:38 PM
I think Ducati has a pretty good engine but is still trying to get their setup right on the Desmo. I feel the 1000cc engine is better suited to the way they have been trying to build the subframe and the swingarm.
Their setup is to stiiff for the smaller engine .The bike won't move around thus it's hard for Casey to know when he's at the limit and when he can give the bike a full twist of power as he moves through a corner.
I'm pretty sure Casey knows how to ride the D16, and when he can crack the throttle open. No one has won more 800cc races than Stoner on the Duc (Derby will correct me if it's Rossi...but its close even if it is). The problem used to be other riders knowing how...but that seems to have changed this year with Hayden being fast as well.
Stoner's crashes from the front seem to be because he pushes it too hard when he's at the front trying to gap everyone...especially Rossi.
Quote from: Triple J on May 09, 2010, 05:24:00 AM
No one has won more 800cc races than Stoner on the Duc (Derby will correct me if it's Rossi...but its close even if it is).
they're tied with 20 races each.
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 08, 2010, 09:38:38 PM
Yamaha should have their suspension sorted . Afterall, they have had many years to perfect it like Honda from GP to MotoGP.
From what I understand, although the Yamaha has a fantastic chassis, the setup is on a razors edge and quite a lot of work to get perfect.
Quote from: Triple J on May 09, 2010, 05:24:00 AM
It's fast, but not the fastest since the first year. Stoner is just fast...especially from the start.
I'm pretty sure Casey knows how to ride the D16, and when he can crack the throttle open. No one has won more 800cc races than Stoner on the Duc (Derby will correct me if it's Rossi...but its close even if it is). The problem used to be other riders knowing how...but that seems to have changed this year with Hayden being fast as well.
Stoner's crashes from the front seem to be because he pushes it too hard when he's at the front trying to gap everyone...especially Rossi.
Why do you suppose Troy once he got the hole shot ( which was most of the time ) and was then able to open up a gap where as if Casey gets the hole shot he has a hard time opening up any kind of a gap ?
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 09, 2010, 06:26:04 PM
Why do you suppose Troy once he got the hole shot ( which was most of the time ) and was then able to open up a gap where as if Casey gets the hole shot he has a hard time opening up any kind of a gap ?
Dolph :)
Stoner doesn't have a hard time opening a gap. Recently he has just had a hard time not wadding it after he opened the gap. Also, completey different bike, completely different rider, and completely different level of competition.
Quote from: Triple J on May 09, 2010, 07:10:40 PM
Stoner doesn't have a hard time opening a gap. Recently he has just had a hard time not wadding it after he opened the gap. Also, completey different bike, completely different rider, and completely different level of competition.
I'm not sure that should give Casey a pass .
I think if Troy had learned to ride the Desmo he'd have dominated MOTOGP as he did WSBK.
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 09, 2010, 07:24:32 PM
I'm not sure that should give Casey a pass .
I think if Troy had learned to ride the Desmo he'd have dominated MOTOGP as he did WSBK.
Dolph :)
ok, now you're just being silly...
let's just use the 2001-2002 superbike seasons as a "control" and say that bayliss and edwards are pretty much equally talented.
edwards vs rossi on the exact same bike? yeah, rossi pretty much won that battle.
i suppose if ducati hadn't fired bayliss at the end of the 2004 season we might have gotten an answer to your assumption. in retrospect, having a superbike rider and a 500gp rider developing a new race platform from scratch might not have been the brightest course of action.
but then there
was valencia '06... ;D
Quote from: derby on May 09, 2010, 08:31:08 PM
ok, now you're just being silly...
let's just use the 2001-2002 superbike seasons as a "control" and say that bayliss and edwards are pretty much equally talented.
edwards vs rossi on the exact same bike? yeah, rossi pretty much won that battle.
i suppose if ducati hadn't fired bayliss at the end of the 2004 season we might have gotten an answer to your assumption. in retrospect, having a superbike rider and a 500gp rider developing a new race platform from scratch might not have been the brightest course of action.
but then there was valencia '06... ;D
I should have qualified my statement about Troy dominating MOTOGP.
Had he gone to MOTOGP in '07 and learned to ride the Desmo ...I feel he would have dominated MOTOGP in '08 and '09 ...unless you don't think he could have mastered the "big Duc."
Dolph :)
Quote from: derby on May 09, 2010, 08:31:08 PM
<snip>
but then there was valencia '06... ;D
'splain that one away.... ;D
alll this cross-comparison of the 1198 and GP bike is like listening to spies say "good" all the time.
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 09, 2010, 09:39:01 PM
I should have qualified my statement about Troy dominating MOTOGP.
Had he gone to MOTOGP in '07 and learned to ride the Desmo ...I feel he would have dominated MOTOGP in '08 and '09 ...unless you don't think he could have mastered the "big Duc."
Dolph :)
completely different riding style, different tires (MAJOR issue), drastically different bikes.. you really can't take troy's ass whupping of wsbk and extrapolate GP success. at all. especially in the 800s.
and like derby mentioned again earlier, it was after they got bayliss to test the GP9 (and all the rookies that said 'no thanks') that they realized it really wasn't rideable by anyone other than casey.
It's funny how people view Lorenzo and Stoner. Both have crashed a fair bit (Lorenzo has less time on the bike to be fair), both are really fast, both give Rossi a run for his money. Lorenzo is definitely a more Rossi-like rider, enjoys a scrap and can win from there. Stoner's more of a clear off and win type rider. Credit where it's due, same number of 800cc wins as Rossi, doesn't that say something? Him falling at the front gives me the shits but he's still stupid fast and *can* clear off on Rossi. On their day (Laguna is a good example) Rossi needs to be there with Stoner to win, when the track works in his favor, Stoner will probably lose. If Stoner can get a gap, he's gone (unless he bins it [bang]).
I rate Lorenzo a little higher than Stoner right now because he can fight better with Rossi but outright speed I think Stoner has the both beat.
that is a hard conclusion to come to with different machinery and set-up's and the only true way to settle it would be to put them on the exact same machine and see head to head what they do....
or, you have them race exactly as they have been. since that's the series, and set of rules, they're in.
EvilSteve, i think rossi agrees with you. and no doubt casey is stupid fast, but valentino has been right there with him since '10 testing kicked off.
Quote from: derby on May 09, 2010, 08:31:08 PM
but then there was valencia '06... ;D
I get all execited at the mere mention of that race. Nicky even tweeted about it the other day:
Shared the podium with this guy on the best day of my life!!!! http://yfrog.com/j5ejsgj (http://yfrog.com/j5ejsgj)
10:52 AM May 8th via Twitterrific
Rossi has been in Stoner's head since that fatefl day in Laguna. Whenever Casey gets the wholeshot, he feels he needs to open a huge gap so that Rossi can't catch him.
Anyway, I predict that Casey, Lorenzo and Pedrosa will all move on. I think Ducati goes after Lorenzo HARD. Honda dumps Pedrosa and grabs Casey. The Spanish Turd ends up in Suzuki. Ducati actually likes Nicky because the sponsors like him. The Ben moves up to to be Rossi's teammate. Dovi continues in HRC.
That scenario assumes that Repsol would be willing to give up their lone Spanish rider. Which is possible, but it might not be something they want to do.
Quote from: Spidey on May 10, 2010, 09:52:58 AM
That scenario assumes that Repsol would be willing to give up their lone Spanish rider. Which is possible, but it might not be something they want to do.
We all thought the same thing about Ducati giving up their lone Italian rider.
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 10, 2010, 10:14:57 AM
We all thought the same thing about Ducati giving up their lone Italian rider.
They didn't have an Italian rider. They had some Italian guy in Marlboro gear riding sweep. Besides, Marlboro--who pays the bills---isn't Italian. Repsol is Spanish.
Marlboro was fighting to get Nicky probly ;)
Quote from: Spidey on May 10, 2010, 10:32:34 AM
They didn't have an Italian rider. They had some Italian guy in Marlboro gear riding sweep.
(http://www.autoracingdaily.com/images/featured/capirossi_290x329.jpg)
I know, I know...not totally relevant. But it was heretofore unthinkable that they'd go with an American and an Aussie.
Maybe Repsol will go after Lorenzo instead or even drop their sponsorship all together. You never know since probably HRC is not the happiest with the turd.
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 10, 2010, 11:22:18 AM
I know, I know...not totally relevant. But it was heretofore unthinkable that they'd go with an American and an Aussie.
i still don't understand that reasoning... in that other sport, they had a german and a brasilian... then they let the german go in favor of a finn (keeping the brasilian, still no italian driver on the team). and
then they let the finn go in favor of a spaniard (yup, brasilian teammate).
wanna know what the current rumor is? letting the brasilian go in favor of a pole.
the only thing ferrari/ducati/marlboro care about is winning, they don't care who's in the car or on the bike when it happens. it could be borat or bruno, for all they care.
Quote from: derby on May 10, 2010, 01:11:50 PM
it could be borat or bruno, for all they care.
That's an awesome thought...
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 10, 2010, 01:25:01 PM
That's an awesome thought...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eo2Equ6rnIk/SFwTMLto6uI/AAAAAAAABjQ/BtBe8qp6ewU/s400/jeangirard1.jpg)
Maybe Troy will quit racing hopped up muscle cars and come back to two wheels and show he can be " King " of MOTOGP !
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 10, 2010, 05:09:17 PM
Maybe Troy will quit racing hopped up muscle cars and come back to two wheels and show he can be " King " of MOTOGP !
Dolph :)
We can only hope...
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/May/10050721a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/May/10050721a.htm)
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 10, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
We can only hope...
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/May/10050721a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/May/10050721a.htm)
Veeerrrrryy Intresting !!
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 10, 2010, 07:09:04 PM
Veeerrrrryy Intresting !!
Dolph :)
Probably not...but every time Troy gets on a bike,
someone will say it's a sign of things to come ;D
OK, here's the latest unofficial bombshell:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/unofficial-stoner-signs-for-repsol-honda/11425.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/unofficial-stoner-signs-for-repsol-honda/11425.html)
I don't believe it for a second. But I'll reiterate my predictions:
Quote
Yamaha: Lorentho, The Ben
Honda: Stoner, Dovi
Ducati: Yeah, I'll say it...Rossi
Suzuki: Does it matter/Smurfy McDouchenozzle.
...and then the class implodes in 2012.
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 11, 2010, 04:43:24 AM
OK, here's the latest unofficial bombshell:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/unofficial-stoner-signs-for-repsol-honda/11425.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/unofficial-stoner-signs-for-repsol-honda/11425.html)
I don't believe it for a second. But I'll reiterate my predictions:
So it begins. I hate to quote myself, but...
Quote from: duccarlos on May 10, 2010, 08:51:34 AM
Honda dumps Pedrosa and grabs Casey.
So Ducati will either go after Rossi, which I doubt will happen, or go after Lorenzo.
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 11, 2010, 04:43:24 AM
OK, here's the latest unofficial bombshell:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/unofficial-stoner-signs-for-repsol-honda/11425.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/unofficial-stoner-signs-for-repsol-honda/11425.html)
I don't believe it for a second. But I'll reiterate my predictions:
I got it via this link -> http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/4354/bombshell-casey-stoner-signs-with-honda (http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/4354/bombshell-casey-stoner-signs-with-honda)
Interesting.
Personally, I'd love to see all the aliens swap bikes, not that it's an accurate comparison, just that it looks like a comparison. ;)
"The Australian is reported to have been lured away by Ducati MotoGP's former manager, Livio Suppo, following months of speculation as to whether Stoner would stop with Ducati.
"
Quote from: RetroSBK on May 05, 2010, 08:51:04 AM
Stoner will NEVER, EVER ride for a team where Livio Supo is. Ever. Private story, but look at what happened in 2009, and you should be able to figure it out. He stay with Ducati, then moves to Suzuki for a season or two, then fades away.
who is right?
mitt
Quote from: duccarlos on May 11, 2010, 04:53:46 AM
So Ducati will either go after Rossi, which I doubt will happen, or go after Lorenzo.
It may have already happened:
QuoteSportmediaset is also reporting that Ducati knowing that Stoner was leaving, immediately offered Valentino Rossi a two year contract with them. The two year contract also contains certain options that should appeal to the work ethics and independent attitude of the 9 times World Champion. Rossi has to the Mugello race in June to decide if he wants to ride for Borgo Panigale.
It's written in scripture or prophesies somewhere...this *has* to happen ;D
I'm just hoping it happens before I go to Misano this summer. Imagine what Tavulia would look like if that happened...riots on the streets ;D
So, supposedly:
Suppo
- Threw Stoner under the bus
Ducati/Marlboro
- Made a very lucrative offer to Lorenzo while Stoner was actually ill
- Made several advances toward Rossi (who could blame them, he's so hot right now)
- Didn't support him either
- Changed the bike to help other riders and while they all say it's easier to ride (including Stoner), he's not at the front as much
- Has made it clear they're looking to at least diversify next year, i.e. Stoner wouldn't be #1 in the team
Stoner
- Seems to be a little finicky
- Falls down at the front a bit
- Was actually sick when he said he was but *allegedly* didn't communicate enough
I'm not sure it's so clear cut that Suppo was the bad guy or at least the worst bad guy from Stoner's perspective in that situation. Who's to say he'd have got the results he needed to win the championship if he raced those three races?
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 11, 2010, 05:34:28 AM
It may have already happened:
It's written in scripture or prophesies somewhere...this *has* to happen ;D
I'm just hoping it happens before I go to Misano this summer. Imagine what Tavulia would look like if that happened...riots on the streets ;D
So it is spoken, so it is said. I think it's found on the lost book of Rossi.
I think that both Rossi and his manager have said countless times he will remain with Yamaha, but we the looming change to 1000cc this might be the best time to change, especially since you have to develop a new bike from scratch anyway. I still think that it will be easier to grab Lorenzo. I think the better question is if the Spanish Turd will remain with HRC and be Stoner's teammate.
And, a little more level-headed assessment:
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/11/the_madness_begins_italian_press_reporti.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/11/the_madness_begins_italian_press_reporti.html)
Quote from: Speeddog on May 11, 2010, 06:36:21 AM
And, a little more level-headed assessment:
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/11/the_madness_begins_italian_press_reporti.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/11/the_madness_begins_italian_press_reporti.html)
Who needs level-headed assessment when you can have wild speculation about a seemingly awesome future?
My Bologna has a last name...it's R-O-S-S-I.... ;D
Quote from: EvilSteve on May 11, 2010, 05:25:49 AM
Personally, I'd love to see all the aliens swap bikes, not that it's an accurate comparison, just that it looks like a comparison. ;)
The worst scenario would be Rossi and Lorenzo and Hayden stay put and Stoner and Pedrosa swap. Can you imagine a Hayden/Pedrosa pairing again? Oy.
Quote from: Spidey on May 11, 2010, 07:36:00 AM
The worst scenario would be Rossi and Lorenzo and Hayden stay put and Stoner and Pedrosa swap. Can you imagine a Hayden/Pedrosa pairing again? Oy.
I had the same thought, but I doubt it'd happen. Hayden would just bolt...to WSBK, Supermoto, or twiddling his thumbs. Pairing with
Rossi again, OTOH... ;D [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 11, 2010, 07:47:37 AM
I had the same thought, but I doubt it'd happen. Hayden would just bolt...to WSBK, Supermoto, or twiddling his thumbs. Pairing with Rossi again, OTOH... ;D [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
That's exactly why I never mentioned Pedrosa going to Ducati. Plus Pedrosa needs to go somewhere where he can call the shots 100%. Ducati or Yamaha don't fit that bill. So it would be either stay at Honda or move to Suzuki. My $0.02. More likely he would stay with Honda and they would get rid of Dovi. Then Ducati would offer Lorenzo Rossi type money after Rossi says 20,000 times that he's not moving from Yamaha.
Hayden definitely would not bolt. He's not phased by difficult teammates. He's been MotoGP teammates with Rossi, Biaggi, Checa, Pedrosa and Stoner. He wouldn't be scared off by again being paired with T-Boney McKeeblerElf.
I don't think Pedrobot would go Duc because Ducati wouldn't want Puig as part of the package...but I am speculating of course.
more of the same..
http://www.roadracerx.com/breaking-news/stoner-to-honda/ (http://www.roadracerx.com/breaking-news/stoner-to-honda/)
@TwitGP: We're not ones for spreading uncorroborated rumours, but the little Aussie fella who hates milk is joining HRC next year.
I still wonder if part of the Ducati-Rossi offer is a new 1-bike team.
Livio Suppo: "No One Has Signed Anything Yet" (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/11/livio_suppo_no_one_has_signed_anything_y.html)
Quote from: gm2 on May 11, 2010, 11:16:02 AM
Livio Suppo: "No One Has Signed Anything Yet" (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/11/livio_suppo_no_one_has_signed_anything_y.html)
The Pharaoh:
"So let it be written. So let it be done."
the 'media campaign in Italy to pressure Valentino Rossi into signing with Ducati' angle is pretty interesting..
Quote from: gm2 on May 11, 2010, 11:30:35 AM
the 'media campaign in Italy to pressure Valentino Rossi into signing with Ducati' angle is pretty interesting..
Not to mention the collective will and positive thinking of Ducatista worldwide...
vibes...vibes...vibes...
Two rounds in and silly season is in full effect. Awesome! Now we have something to do between race weekends besides talk about whether Stoner is Rossi's equal or not.
It's shaping up to be the silliest season eva!!
Quote from: duccarlos on May 11, 2010, 12:28:45 PM
It's shaping up to be the silliest season eva!!
Wildly silly
Quote from: ducpainter on May 11, 2010, 04:49:04 PM
Wildly silly
8 pages into a thread about
next year... i mean, this stoner rumor says the deal was done right after qatar! sheesh!
[popcorn] [evil] :D
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/May/may1110-burgess-hopes-rossi-will-stay/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/May/may1110-burgess-hopes-rossi-will-stay/)
(yeah, i know.. mcn)
Quote from: duccarlos on May 11, 2010, 12:28:45 PM
It's shaping up to be the silliest season eva!!
I dunno, man. Last year was pretty silly with Casey's sickness and all the maneuvering and rumors and offers, only to have everyone stay put. [laugh] Add to that (1) Spies' "maybe I'll go to MotoGP, maybe I won't", (2) all the new 250 riders and (3) DeAngelis losing his ride because (a) he kept taking people out and then (b) couldn't get himself sponsored by a
country because the country was bankrupt. It all made for a pretty damn silly season.
I see in my crystal ball ...a time when Vale rides or drives RED !
Either Ducati or F!.
For big $$$$ and for Italy.
Dolph :)
Quote from: gm2 on May 11, 2010, 05:09:49 PM
8 pages into a thread about next year... i mean, this stoner rumor says the deal was done right after qatar! sheesh!
[popcorn] [evil] :D
I just heard about Casey on the radio and I was all excited about starting a thread.
Lucky I came here first. Derby would have nailed me. ;)
Quote from: Spidey on May 11, 2010, 07:04:26 PM
I dunno, man. Last year was pretty silly with Casey's sickness and all the maneuvering and rumors and offers, only to have everyone stay put. [laugh] Add to that (1) Spies' "maybe I'll go to MotoGP, maybe I won't", (2) all the new 250 riders and (3) DeAngelis losing his ride because (a) he kept taking people out and then (b) couldn't get himself sponsored by a country because the country was bankrupt. It all made for a pretty damn silly season.
It's still early. What if The Ben decides that he wants to retire? What of Bayliss decides he wants to go back to MotoGP? What if they decide to implement those cool push starts like I was raving about on the other thread? Now wouldn't that be silly...
Quote from: duccarlos on May 12, 2010, 04:15:46 AM
It's still early. What if The Ben decides that he wants to retire? What of Bayliss decides he wants to go back to MotoGP? What if they decide to implement those cool push starts like I was raving about on the other thread? Now wouldn't that be silly...
Actually, I heard Ago was going to come out of retirement and race Moto2 along with everyone else.
SILLY!!!!!!!!!!
Rossi says he is 99% certain to stay at Yamaha.
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/12/rossi_99_percent_certain_to_stay_at_yama.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/12/rossi_99_percent_certain_to_stay_at_yama.html)
That leaves the 1% hope and speculation.
it certainly doesn't close the door to possibility....
Quote from: duccarlos on May 12, 2010, 07:49:12 AM
That leaves the 1% hope and speculation.
And the 100% chance that will change when Marlboro puts an 8-figure contract with contingencies and fringe benefits involving umbrella girls in front of him.
He's the #9 earning athlete in the world. He's not hurting for cash.
Quote from: gm2 on May 12, 2010, 08:50:44 AM
He's the #9 earning athlete in the world. He's not hurting for cash.
I'm not sure that matters. People with money are often obsessed with getting more of it. It's kind of like heroin, if you think about it.
Quote from: Spidey on May 12, 2010, 07:40:17 AM
Rossi says he is 99% certain to stay at Yamaha.
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/12/rossi_99_percent_certain_to_stay_at_yama.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/12/rossi_99_percent_certain_to_stay_at_yama.html)
Keep in mind that Michael Jordan was 99% sure he was going to stay retired and look what happened. Or Troy Bayless was retired and look what happened. If they aren't 100%, then they might as well say "I'm not sure where I'll end up."
Quote from: Jester on May 12, 2010, 10:08:09 AM
Keep in mind that Michael Jordan was 99% sure he was going to stay retired and look what happened. Or Troy Bayless was retired and look what happened. If they aren't 100%, then they might as well say "I'm not sure where I'll end up."
nothing is 100% sure until the dotted line is signed, and he doesn't have a contract yet.
it seems his preference is staying at yamaha, though they apparently haven't ironed out he details yet.
rossi has little left to prove in motogp and one of the few items left on his checklist is taking ago's all time win record. i'd think he'd want to be mounted on a known (to him) quantity to give himself the best chance at that.
yes, the duc can win races, but rossi knows HE can win races on the yamaha.
Quote from: duccarlos on May 12, 2010, 07:49:12 AM
That leaves the 1% hope and speculation.
Dumb and Dumber 'There's a Chance' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
Just when you think you know what is going to on .....somebody does something totally unexpected.
Who guessed Mr. squeaky clean , w, an impeccable record for over 14 years , endeared by millions, sponsored by some of the leading Corporations in the World , making more than any athlete in the World , married to a beautiful woman w, two children .....was banging bimbos left and right .
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 12, 2010, 07:23:13 PM
Just when you think you know what is going to on .....somebody does something totally unexpected.
Who guessed Mr. squeaky clean , w, an impeccable record for over 14 years , endeared by millions, sponsored by some of the leading Corporations in the World , making more than any athlete in the World , married to a beautiful woman w, two children .....was banging bimbos left and right .
Dolph :)
Capirossi's cheating? ;D
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/May/may1310-yamaha-boss-keeping-valentino-is-priority/?R=EPI-124030 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/May/may1310-yamaha-boss-keeping-valentino-is-priority/?R=EPI-124030)
"To be honest my priority is to keep Valentino more than Jorge. Valentino came to Yamaha in 2004 and he contributed a lot to us.
Ducati might like that the focus is on Rossi while they work the back channels to lock down Lorenzo.
Quote from: duccarlos on May 13, 2010, 10:38:41 AM
Ducati might like that the focus is on Rossi while they work the back channels to lock down Lorenzo.
given hayden's recent results, lorenzo is probably less scared of the ducati than he was last year.
plus he's already got a good starting point for the salary negotiations.
Yamaha just made Lorenzo's salary demands go down. Ducati knows that Yamaha will ditch him if he forces them. Because of that, Ducati doesn't need to pony up what they offered before. And because (a) Casey's still a possibility (for now), (b) there isn't an added premium to the salary--like their was last year--because of the uncertainty of the bike, (c) there isn't the same desperation from Ducati to sign someone.
hmmm...ponder this...Hayden and Jorge on the Duc...who is the #1 rider then?...someone who has 2 years experience on it, or someone who is an alien batshit fast with a period of acclimation necessary to the machine?!?!?!
Whomever gets the more money.
Lorenzo.
Quote from: duccarlos on May 13, 2010, 11:35:47 AM
Whomever gets the more money.
whichever rider gets the results.
Since when has a job been dependent on results? [roll]
i still think that there is or is going to be simultaneously a very very large check and effort from HRC to get Jorge on a repsol bike.
Only if they get rid of the turd. They hate each other.
Quote from: duccarlos on May 13, 2010, 12:25:59 PM
Since when has a job been dependent on results? [roll]
Exactly...
(http://resources.motogp.com/files/images/xy/2008/MotoGP/n495806_236338_Colin+Edwards+in+MotoGP+test+in+Jerez-1280x960-nov27.jpg._original.original.jpg)
Quote from: duccarlos on May 13, 2010, 12:25:59 PM
Since when has a job been dependent on results? [roll]
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 13, 2010, 12:47:04 PM
Exactly...
the question was "who is number one on the team?"
with the exception of repsol honda in 2006, it's generally the rider that's performing.
bah, colin was very successful in that role.
(..'that role' being valentino's tire developer)
Quote from: derby on May 13, 2010, 11:15:53 AM
given hayden's recent results, lorenzo is probably less scared of the ducati than he was last year.
plus he's already got a good starting point for the salary negotiations.
Not sure I understand your logic about Jorge being less concerned with Ducati in light of Nicky's results lately.
I thought Nicky was running closer to the front.?
Wouldn't Jorge be more concerned with the fact that Nicky is getting the " hang " of it finally ?
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 13, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
Not sure I understand your logic about Jorge being less concerned with Ducati in light of Nicky's results lately.
I thought Nicky was running closer to the front.?
Wouldn't Jorge be more concerned with the fact that Nicky is getting the " hang " of it finally ?
Dolph :)
Everyone was scared of the 800cc D16 because no one not named Stoner could ride it. Some fine riders, including Melandri and Hayden (1st half of last year) couldn't do much more then bring up the rear on it.
Hayden doing well now means Ducati may have tamed it a bit so other people can be fast on it...a good thing if Lorenzo is considering switching.
He probably doesn't care if Hayden is fast. He still went to Yamaha knowing Rossi was there.
Lorenzo is on a different level than others that have ridden the Duc. There might be reservations, but I would doubt he'd go to the back of the grid on the bike. I think if they toss the cash, he's leaving.
Quote from: Triple J on May 13, 2010, 04:50:43 PM
Everyone was scared of the 800cc D16 because no one not named Stoner could ride it. Some fine riders, including Melandri and Hayden (1st half of last year) couldn't do much more then bring up the rear on it.
Hayden doing well now means Ducati may have tamed it a bit so other people can be fast on it...a good thing if Lorenzo is considering switching.
exactly... ducati had offered lorenzo €7 million ($9.3M, double his offer from yamaha)... you have to have a really good reason to turn down a $4.7M pay increase.
Quote from: Triple J on May 13, 2010, 04:50:43 PM
He probably doesn't care if Hayden is fast. He still went to Yamaha knowing Rossi was there.
he went to yamaha (and stayed last year) knowing that rossi and burgess were there ensuring the yzr-m1 was a championship-capable machine.
Quote from: Jester on May 13, 2010, 05:13:43 PM
Lorenzo is on a different level than others that have ridden the Duc. There might be reservations, but I would doubt he'd go to the back of the grid on the bike. I think if they toss the cash, he's leaving.
look at my post above... they
did offer the cash last year and he said "no thanks."
Quote from: derby on May 13, 2010, 05:16:22 PM
exactly... ducati had offered lorenzo â,¬7 million ($9.3M, double his offer from yamaha)... you have to have a really good reason to turn down a $4.7M pay increase.
Things change.
Do the riders get money from the Sponsors like some of the other elite athletes do ?
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 13, 2010, 07:00:17 PM
Do the riders get money from the Sponsors like some of the other elite athletes do ?
Dolph :)
Yup, hence the fact that Rossi is one of the top 5 paid athletes in the world.
Quote from: derby on May 13, 2010, 05:17:20 PM
look at my post above... they did offer the cash last year and he said "no thanks."
I remember that, but I think Hayden's performance on the bike has eased all those tensions.
Rossi probably won't go to F1.
His other passion is Rally car Racing.
There's a good chance when he leaves MOTOGP he will compete in Rally not any other form of auto racing.
He has experience having already run in several Rally events.
His master plan a few years ago was to ride MOTOGP until he was 31-32 years old.
He's 31 now. His contract w, Yamaha is through 2010
Dolph :)
Quote from: El Matador on May 13, 2010, 07:27:35 PM
Yup, hence the fact that Rossi is one of the top 5 paid athletes in the world.
He's way up there in earnings, but I don't think he's top-5:
http://www.gkmen.com/sports/north-american-sports/who-are-highest-paid-athletes-2010190210 (http://www.gkmen.com/sports/north-american-sports/who-are-highest-paid-athletes-2010190210)
Quote from: Cider on May 14, 2010, 08:22:43 AM
He's way up there in earnings, but I don't think he's top-5:
http://www.gkmen.com/sports/north-american-sports/who-are-highest-paid-athletes-2010190210 (http://www.gkmen.com/sports/north-american-sports/who-are-highest-paid-athletes-2010190210)
with all the ties in that list, he receives the 5th highest compensation.
Quote from: derby on May 14, 2010, 08:46:16 AM
with all the ties in that list, he receives the 5th highest compensation.
So if two guys tie for first, the third guy to cross the line gets second? ???
Anyways, I wasn't disputing the original point: he makes obscene amounts of money.
Quote from: Cider on May 14, 2010, 10:13:49 AM
he makes obscene amounts of money.
where is the line from shitload to make the beast with two backston to obscene?
Shitload = 5 zeros
make the beast with two backston = 6 zeros
Obscene = 7 zeros
Quote from: Speeddog on May 14, 2010, 10:26:49 AM
Shitload = 5 zeros
make the beast with two backston = 6 zeros
Obscene = 7 zeros
thank you for that clarification!
I make an obscene amount of nothing.
Quote from: Speeddog on May 14, 2010, 10:26:49 AM
Shitload = 5 zeros
make the beast with two backston = 6 zeros
Obscene = 7 zeros
Do
leading zeros count?
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 14, 2010, 11:04:48 AM
Do leading zeros count?
only if you are duccarlos making an obscene amount of nothing!
Unless you are worth a Billion like Tiger and get sued by his wife in the Divorce for $500,000,000.
Even still worth 1/2 a billion to think she could get a 1/2 a billion.
Incomprehensible :o
Dolph :(
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 14, 2010, 05:57:39 PM
Unless you are worth a Billion like Tiger and get sued by his wife in the Divorce for $500,000,000.
Even still worth 1/2 a billion to think she could get a 1/2 a billion.
Incomprehensible :o
Dolph :(
She deserves every penny of it.
Interview with Lin Jarvis:
http://www.motomatters.com/interview/2010/05/19/lin_jarvis_yamaha_will_be_the_best_place.html (http://www.motomatters.com/interview/2010/05/19/lin_jarvis_yamaha_will_be_the_best_place.html)
Pretty smart guy.
Quote from: Speeddog on May 18, 2010, 04:27:52 PM
Interview with Lin Jarvis:
http://www.motomatters.com/interview/2010/05/19/lin_jarvis_yamaha_will_be_the_best_place.html (http://www.motomatters.com/interview/2010/05/19/lin_jarvis_yamaha_will_be_the_best_place.html)
Pretty smart guy.
Think he was poking at Aprilia about the manufacturer that should be in the prototype arena?
Quote from: ducpainter on May 18, 2010, 05:03:39 PM
Think he was poking at Aprilia about the manufacturer that should be in the prototype arena?
Absolutely.
Perhaps in 2012 we'll see Max and Dani on little tiny 'production based' Prillers in MotoGP.
Quote from: Duck Fat on May 14, 2010, 07:31:01 PM
I concur.
You guys are harsh. Poor ol Tiger was sufferring existential despair under the weight of making millions from a sport he loves for a living, having a Swedish model wife and being adored by millions of fans. [bang]
Cut the guy some slack. ;)
Quote from: Speeddog on May 18, 2010, 06:33:01 PM
Absolutely.
Perhaps in 2012 we'll see Max and Dani on little tiny 'production based' Prillers in MotoGP.
little tiny Prillers.... [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Waaay too much ego involved with Max and Puig for that to occur
Quote from: koko64 on May 18, 2010, 06:35:44 PM
having a Swedish model wife
Am I the only one that thinks she really wasn't all that hot? There is just something about her that didn't do it for me.
Quote from: Jester on May 18, 2010, 09:55:43 PM
Am I the only one that thinks she really wasn't all that hot? There is just something about her that didn't do it for me.
I thought she was alright in a " I wouldn't kick her out of my bed" kind of way, but as far as if I'd look at her over others....hell no...
Quote from: ducpainter on May 18, 2010, 06:45:02 PM
Waaay too much ego involved with Max and Puig for that to occur
I think Max has a much bigger entitlement to his ego over Puig....
Quote from: zooom on May 19, 2010, 02:09:12 AM
<snip>
I think Max has a much bigger entitlement to his ego over Puig....
I agree, but don't tell Puig that. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on May 19, 2010, 02:56:50 AM
I agree, but don't tell Puig that. ;D
He might try to rip your lungs out through your nostril.
if they are even letting alberto in the paddock anymore by that point. i think the only fan he has left in GP is dani.
and re biaggi, even IF they do set up the claiming rule teams in 2012, no way. he's old and winning in wsbk. he's never going to go somewhere where he's REALLY old and at the bottom of the pack.
...but maybe that was all rhetorical ;)
Quote from: Jester on May 18, 2010, 09:55:43 PM
Am I the only one that thinks she really wasn't all that hot? There is just something about her that didn't do it for me.
She also wasn't a model...she was an Au Pair for another golfer on the tour, who introduced her to Tiger.
Quote from: Triple J on May 19, 2010, 06:27:44 AM
She also wasn't a model...she was an Au Pair for another golfer on the tour, who introduced her to Tiger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elin_Nordegren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elin_Nordegren)
She started modeling in 2000, and appeared on the cover of Cafe Sport magazine in the summer of 2000.(http://www.girlsgonetiger.com/EllenNordgren.jpg)
(i'll agree, however, that she wasn't some uber famous supermodel...)
Quote from: Triple J on May 19, 2010, 06:27:44 AM
She also wasn't a model...she was an Au Pair for another golfer on the tour, who introduced her to Tiger.
IIRC, it was Jesper Parnevik who introduced them, and I think once the initial news broke he had some pretty harsh things to say about Tiger in a press conference.
w h o c a r e s.
Quote from: gm2 on May 21, 2010, 07:44:43 AM
w h o c a r e s.
+1...this is the silly season for motorcycle racing thread...not the "who is shtupping who in Tiger Woods World" thread....hough..in the end...Boobies are Boobies still!!!
boobie haters [cheeky]
it's a shame for his kids. otherwise their situation is neither unique nor interesting. and this aint NMC.
That doesn't make you any less of a boobie hater. [cheeky] Besides, there's talk of TW riding a GP11. There, now it's racing related. ;D
In other news, it looks like the Aliens are starting to get pretty frustrated with all the chatter.
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/20/motogp_le_mans_thursday_report_silly_sea.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/20/motogp_le_mans_thursday_report_silly_sea.html)
The funny part is Lorenzo's bit about the Multistrada. [laugh]
Quote from: gm2 on May 21, 2010, 08:00:46 AM
and this aint NMC.
I thought boobies were the universal trump card no matter where on the board?
Quote from: Spidey on May 21, 2010, 08:07:02 AM
In other news, it looks like the Aliens are starting to get pretty frustrated with all the chatter.
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/20/motogp_le_mans_thursday_report_silly_sea.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/05/20/motogp_le_mans_thursday_report_silly_sea.html)
The funny part is Lorenzo's bit about the Multistrada. [laugh]
I think they should unify and just do what Spies did in the close of his AMA/Yoshimura chapter when he said just plain and simple like to everyone that was hounding him, that he wouldn't discuss any of it at all, his focus was on the job at hand and that is all he was willing to discuss, period! I think he was pretty similar in his comments at the end of last year in speculation of his seating arrangements for either WSBK vs. GP . I think a unified front from them doing the same thing will put the STFU wall up and put a stop to some of this frenzy.
Quote from: zooom on May 21, 2010, 08:51:55 AM
STFU wall up and put a stop to some of this frenzy.
true, only there has never been a silly season like the one we're about to have. or, are having. even if the riders shut up no one else is going to.
It's gonna be unbelievably disappointing after all this chatter if everyone stays put (which is what Yamaha says it wants).
I'm starting to think it's less about what Rossi does (b/c increasingly it looks like he might stay put) and more about Casey. If Casey splits to Honda, then Ducati has to make a play at one of the Yamaha boys b/c--let's be frank here--Pedrosa ain't gonna git it done.
tbh, i'm gonna be surprised no matter what happens. including nothing.
i can come up with too many logical-emotional-financial-professional arguments for too many scenarios.
There's no way that at least a couple of the aliens will not move around. I think it will depend on Spies. If he can consistently be up there, then Yamaha will have a negotiating chip for Lorenzo. If not, then Lorenzo can push for a better deal.
if Spies starts getting consistantly in the top5 all the time...I think Lorenzo's bargaining chip becomes not as valuable as he thinks..either way...I am sure whatever the manufacturers are thinking...the end game of having a rider signed isn't just for next year...it is for the idea of acclimating them into the program to be for when the 1000's come into play...
Spies is definitely a commodity, but I'd be surprised if he damaged Lorenzo's bargaining position. Didn't Lorenzo take second place in his first MotoGP race and win his third race? He was second last year and the points leader this year, and Rossi considers him the biggest threat. He's also Spanish and good with the sponsors (reportedly). Spies is good, but not that good (yet).
Quote from: Cider on May 21, 2010, 12:33:01 PM
Didn't Lorenzo take second place in his first MotoGP race and win his third race?
He was also already familiar with the tracks, and used to the riding style necessary for the 800s.
Quote from: Triple J on May 21, 2010, 12:37:36 PM
He was also already familiar with the tracks, and used to the riding style necessary for the 800s.
Sure, I agree, but it doesn't matter what the reasons are; IMHO, he's closer to the top than Spies is.
Quote from: Cider on May 21, 2010, 12:50:21 PM
Sure, I agree, but it doesn't matter what the reasons are; IMHO, he's closer to the top than Spies is.
absolutely he is. but a) he came from the 250 series. instantly better suited for the 800s. and b) there was no rookie rule in 2008.
i'm not taking anything away from george. he totally deserves to be where he is. but any 2x 250GP champ is going to be better suited to move into MotoGP than a superbike rider is. that's by design.
I agree. I'm just saying that I think the reasons he had a leg up on Ben are irrelevant to his bargaining position.
I'm a closet Ben fan, but I don't think he's close enough to the front to hurt Jorge's negotiations. Maybe that will change later this year?
ben will be on a yamaha either way, so i don't think yamaha necessarily has him at the top of their must-figure-out list. i'm sure they'd like to put him on jorge's bike IF they lose jorge. but if not they already know he'll be back on the tech 3 bike for at least 1 more year.
Anyone think this is Rossi's last season in MOTOGP ?
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 21, 2010, 07:32:38 PM
Anyone think this is Rossi's last season in MOTOGP ?
Dolph :)
no way... he's a season or two away from ago's all time win record.
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 21, 2010, 07:32:38 PM
Anyone think this is Rossi's last season in MOTOGP ?
Dolph :)
only if Derby has a sex change and marries ducpainter. ;)
Quote from: zooom on May 22, 2010, 03:27:30 AM
only if Derby has a sex change and marries ducpainter. ;)
as attractive as I find Chris...
I'm spoken for. :-*
Quote from: derby on May 21, 2010, 07:54:05 PM
no way... he's a season or two away from ago's all time win record.
Ok Chris,
Once Rossi beats Ago's record or he is too old then he's done.
You don't think Rossi would keep racing beyond his years in trying to beat Giacomo's record if it doesn't happen in the next 3 -5 years.
Dolph :)
Rossi will not retire any time soon.
If Stoner hasn't already got the deal with HRC done, it may not happen due to all his scratched plastics... *sigh*
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 22, 2010, 06:39:04 PM
Ok Chris,
Once Rossi beats Ago's record or he is too old then he's done.
You don't think Rossi would keep racing beyond his years in trying to beat Giacomo's record if it doesn't happen in the next 3 -5 years.
Dolph :)
Rossi has said before that he will hang it up if he can't run up front anymore. So as long as he's in the top 4, I think he'll keep going until he hits the record.
it's not like he's got anything left to prove. i think as soon as he stops having fun, he'll retire.
Quote from: EvilSteve on May 24, 2010, 06:41:17 AM
If Stoner hasn't already got the deal with HRC done, it may not happen due to all his scratched plastics... *sigh*
Actually, I think HRC is paying Stoner to scratch up his Ducati plastics.
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 24, 2010, 10:52:21 AMActually, I think HRC is paying Stoner to scratch up his Ducati plastics.
[laugh]
Even I'm getting sick of Stoner's shit but that would be a bit much. ;)
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83852 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83852)
Quote from: gm2 on May 24, 2010, 07:08:06 AM
it's not like he's got anything left to prove. i think as soon as he stops having fun, he'll retire.
That should be true for everyone, regardless of their profession. [thumbsup] And to quit on top in good health is perfect... ah, hello Bayliss???? ;D
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160031/1/stoner_has_already_decided_to_go_fears_ducati.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160031/1/stoner_has_already_decided_to_go_fears_ducati.html)
Interesting.
I'd rather see Lorenzo on the Duc than Stoner in 2011. He's fast, and much more likeable. Rossi would also be great...but that would seem to be short term.
What if Stoner leaves and Rossi and Lorenzo stay? The midget (hopefully not)? Bayliss?
Quote from: Triple J on May 25, 2010, 10:25:30 AM
Interesting.
I'd rather see Lorenzo on the Duc than Stoner in 2011. He's fast, and much more likeable. Rossi would also be great...but that would seem to be short term.
What if Stoner leaves and Rossi and Lorenzo stay? The midget (hopefully not)? Bayliss?
I don't think Troy's interested in GP. Superbike, yeah.
I think Ducati wouldn't hesitate to go after Pinty Mcmake the beast with two backsStick. I'd be damn torn over that.
Quote from: derby on May 25, 2010, 09:58:16 AM
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160031/1/stoner_has_already_decided_to_go_fears_ducati.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160031/1/stoner_has_already_decided_to_go_fears_ducati.html)
Rossi to Ducati...mark my words. It's written in the scriptures somewhere...
And upon the forty-sixth sign of the apocalypse, a Mon-Chi-Chi shall become the anointed one, standing above all he surveyeth, he shall covet long bang no more.
- Bolognans 46:69
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 25, 2010, 11:09:56 AM
Rossi to Ducati...mark my words. It's written in the scriptures somewhere...
And upon the forty-sixth sign of the apocalypse, a Mon-Chi-Chi shall become the anointed one, standing above all he surveyeth, he shall covet long bang no more.
- Bolognans 46:69
HAHHAHAHAHAHAAA....a Mon-Chi-Chi?!?!?!...you sure it wasn't a Furby?...perhaps maybe that Teddy Ruxpin guy?
that was good though!
Quote from: zooom on May 25, 2010, 11:25:42 AM
HAHHAHAHAHAHAAA....a Mon-Chi-Chi?!?!?!...you sure it wasn't a Furby?...perhaps maybe that Teddy Ruxpin guy?
that was good though!
(http://tiny.abstractdynamics.org/archives/MonChichi.gif)(http://194.249.196.220/proj07/r10/seminar2b10/valentino-rossi.jpg)
ahhh...now it is all clear grasshoppa!!!
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/220383/images/simoncelli-pits.jpg)
Quote from: derby on May 25, 2010, 09:58:16 AM
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160031/1/stoner_has_already_decided_to_go_fears_ducati.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160031/1/stoner_has_already_decided_to_go_fears_ducati.html)
Wasn't someone here saying that would never ever ever make the beast with two backsing happen?
Will?....
Is Dovi's contract up?
Cause I'd laugh for a week if all the top shelf riders told Honda to pound sand and they had to poach from their satellite teams.
Quote from: Speeddog on May 25, 2010, 04:27:33 PM
Is Dovi's contract up?
he's got an option for 2011.
Yeah, it's MCN but...
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/May/may2610-ducati-plot-lorenzo-swoop/?R=EPI-124294 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/May/may2610-ducati-plot-lorenzo-swoop/?R=EPI-124294)
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 26, 2010, 04:47:09 PM
Yeah, it's MCN but...
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/May/may2610-ducati-plot-lorenzo-swoop/?R=EPI-124294 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/May/may2610-ducati-plot-lorenzo-swoop/?R=EPI-124294)
I know it is a long shot in many ways, but it would be bitter sweet if Rossi turned Ducati down, Ducati landed Jorge, and then went on to win the 2011 & 12 title, and put Rossi into a pickle of racing and not winning or retiring.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on May 26, 2010, 05:27:03 PM
I know it is a long shot in many ways, but it would be bitter sweet if Rossi turned Ducati down, Ducati landed Jorge, and then went on to win the 2011 & 12 title, and put Rossi into a pickle of racing and not winning or retiring.
mitt
Not bitersweet for me...as much as I want to see Vale in red, seeing the championship return to Bologna would be an excellent consolation prize ;D
Quote from: mitt on May 26, 2010, 05:27:03 PM
I know it is a long shot in many ways, but it would be bitter sweet if Rossi turned Ducati down, Ducati landed Jorge, and then went on to win the 2011 & 12 title, and put Rossi into a pickle of racing and not winning or retiring.
I'm a huge Rossi fan, but he's got to beat the best to the earn each title. If Jorge can beat him on a Yamaha or Ducati, then sorry Rossi--tough luck.
Quote from: desmoquattro on May 25, 2010, 11:35:24 AM
(http://tiny.abstractdynamics.org/archives/MonChichi.gif)(http://194.249.196.220/proj07/r10/seminar2b10/valentino-rossi.jpg)
If I had hair like Vale's .......I'd have the world's biggest Afro.
Dolph :)
Stoner needs to go to MOTO2.
Dolph :)
Does Rossi's injury make him more or less likely to stay at Yamaha? Everyone was saying that as soon as Rossi signed, it was all over. But all of a sudden, with Rossi out and Casey riding like shit, it looks like Jorge controls the silly season, not Rossi.
If Rossi's injury was more of a career-threatening deal, I'd expect it to destabilize the silly season.
But it seems a pretty straightforward deal.
I think Jorge takes the title with Yamaha and then moves to another manufacturer.
Quote from: Jester on June 07, 2010, 06:32:54 PM
I think Jorge takes the title with Yamaha and then moves to another manufacturer.
That'd be harsh. [laugh]
If Jorge wins the Championship .....why would he want to go w, a different make ?
Why not stay w, Yamaya especially if they thought Rossi was on his way out ?
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on June 07, 2010, 07:02:08 PM
If Jorge wins the Championship .....why would he want to go w, a different make ?
Why not stay w, Yamaya especially if they thought Rossi was on his way out ?
Dolph :)
because Rossi might not want Jorge on the superior Yamaha.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 08, 2010, 05:51:45 AM
because Rossi might not want Jorge on the superior Yamaha.
I don't think there is a superior bike, or #1 rider, on the factory Yamaha team right now. The only difference between them would be the different development directions each takes since they supposedly aren't sharing set-up info. this year. I'm sure they're both geting all the support they want/need as well. Rossi always will because he's Rossi (and he's always in the title hunt), and Lorenzo is in the title hunt. It's not like when it was Rossi and Edwards.
I think they'll both stay put (although I'd like to see Lorenzo on a Duc).
Quote from: Triple J on June 08, 2010, 06:17:16 AM
(although I'd like to see Lorenzo on a Duc).
YEAH, but if you had your druthers of choice......whom would YOU rather see in Casey's seat?
Rossi or Lorentho
Quote from: zooom on June 08, 2010, 07:54:30 AM
YEAH, but if you had your druthers of choice......whom would YOU rather see in Casey's seat?
Rossi or Lorentho
Rossi. It's written in scripture somewhere.
Quote from: zooom on June 08, 2010, 07:54:30 AM
YEAH, but if you had your druthers of choice......whom would YOU rather see in Casey's seat?
Rossi or Lorentho
Lorenzo.
Rossi would be great...but it's a short term solution. Lorenzo could be dominant for a long time.
Quote from: DoubleEagle on June 07, 2010, 07:02:08 PM
If Jorge wins the Championship .....why would he want to go w, a different make ?
Why not stay w, Yamaya especially if they thought Rossi was on his way out ?
Dolph :)
My reasoning is to prove his immense talent in a similar fashion that Rossi did. Taking the title at Yammy gives him the prize and takes away the pressure of winning one. Then you can chase the money and do whatever you want.
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/rossi-hints-at-2011-ducati-move/11959.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/rossi-hints-at-2011-ducati-move/11959.html)
(http://www.visordown.com/uploads/images/Large/4818.jpg)
QuoteVALENTINO ROSSI has said he is "not 100% sure" he will stay with Yamaha MotoGP in 2011 - giving his biggest hint yet that he may go to Ducati.
nothing new whatsoever: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160531/1/ducati_to_make_a_bold_bid_for_rossi.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160531/1/ducati_to_make_a_bold_bid_for_rossi.html)
More rumors about Stoner to Honda
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/17/stoner_to_honda_further_details_emerge.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/17/stoner_to_honda_further_details_emerge.html)
I like the idea somewhat of Smrz on the Beemer
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jun/100616smrz.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jun/100616smrz.htm)
i think there's about a 99.9% chance that stoner goes to repsol
Quote from: gm2 on June 17, 2010, 08:34:27 AM
i think there's about a 99.9% chance that stoner goes to repsol
if the contract is actually signed...then I agree with you...but if for some goofy letigious reason it isn't signed and he keeps crashing and finishing poorly....then I don't give that probability of chance as high a percentage...
he's already won a title and has 20-some-odd race wins. let's be fair: nicky won in 2006 b/c valentino lost, not b/c nicky won. so, saving that, repsol hasn't won since valentino left at the end of 2004. livio is there. they want someone who can win. minus the "sabotage" he was stupid fast on the honda in 2006. the relationship with marlboro got damaged last year. despite the crashing, he's always retarded fast. he's going.
...i also think that valentino is going to ducati*.
*if JB will go.
I'd be happy with most any rearrangement of the riders, as long as the 'bot isn't on a Duc.
If Stoner goes to Respol, where else is the 'bot gonna go? Maybe Suzuki for the salary? It wouldn't be to win. If Ducati gets stuck with Pedro and Hayden, they might end up being in the worst shape of the three competitive rides. Rossi or Lorenzo HAS to come to Ducati, dammit.
Maybe I'm just incorrectly assuming that Honda would hold onto Dovi over Douchemake the beast with two backs McTwatwaffle. But Dovi has a contract and Pedro doesn't.
why do you assume it's pedro getting bumped? or does dovi still have a contract next year?
I just added to my post while you posted.
Frankly, I'm not sure why I assume that, other than the contract situation. But Repsol could easily buy Dovi out of his contract or send him to Suzuki for more $.
I may be wrong about the contract situation. I know that Dovi is signed for 2010 with an option to extend to 2011. But I don't know if that's his option or Honda's.
Where's derby when ya need him? ;D
ah yeah, it's an option. Honda's option.
Oh, I thought it was a solid contact for 2011. Then he's gone. Unless Crashy McSmurfdick asks for too much scratch or they finally realize the Puig is such a dick that it's not worth it. Wow, a Pedro/Stroner Repsol pairing leave Ducati in a bind. Marlboro would have to throw down some serious $ to get either Rossi or Lorenzo.
Quote from: Spidey on June 17, 2010, 10:14:36 AM
Oh, I thought it was a solid contact for 2011. Then he's gone. Unless Crashy McSmurfdick asks for too much scratch or they finally realize the Puig is such a dick that it's not worth it. Wow, a Pedro/Stroner Repsol pairing leave Ducati in a bind. Marlboro would have to throw down some serious $ to get either Rossi or Lorenzo.
Barring a miracle healing period, I don't think Rossi will ride another race on the Yamaha [evil]
Quote from: Spidey on June 17, 2010, 10:14:36 AM
Marlboro would have to throw down some serious $ to get either Rossi or Lorenzo.
the term 'blank check' has already been used... (for rossi)
plus, to the degree that puig has any goodwill left @ repsol (who knows..?), a stoner-pedro team would be good for him/them.
unless they can get rossi back i REALLY don't think that repsol will get rid of pedro. he does win races, he's spanish, and he can be that other 'top spanish rider' that gives jorge a run for his pesetas.
that's not to say that pedro himself wouldn't necessarily leave. like, if he could get on an M1.
Quote from: gm2 on June 17, 2010, 01:51:19 PM
the term 'blank check' has already been used... (for rossi)
plus, to the degree that puig has any goodwill left @ repsol (who knows..?), a stoner-pedro team would be good for him/them.
unless they can get rossi back i REALLY don't think that repsol will get rid of pedro. he does win races, he's spanish, and he can be that other 'top spanish rider' that gives jorge a run for his pesetas.
that's not to say that pedro himself wouldn't necessarily leave. like, if he could get on an M1.
I actually doubt that it would be good for repsol to have a Lorenzo/pedro team. Lorenzo would poach off most of Thumbelina's Spanish sponsors. Also Puig being on the Honda board will do anything he can to sabotage this. And on the horrible chance that it does happen, I would hate to see Lorenzo being under any sort of influence from the man that has shown to be MotoGp's answer to Don King
Quote from: El Matador on June 18, 2010, 08:01:54 AM
I actually doubt that it would be good for repsol to have a Lorenzo/pedro team. Lorenzo would poach off most of Thumbelina's Spanish sponsors. Also Puig being on the Honda board will do anything he can to sabotage this. And on the horrible chance that it does happen, I would hate to see Lorenzo being under any sort of influence from the man that has shown to be MotoGp's answer to Don King
i agree with you... but since you appeared to replying specifically to what i said, why are you talking about a pedro/jorge repsol team?
Quote from: gm2 on June 18, 2010, 08:04:42 AM
i agree with you... but since you appeared to replying specifically to what i said, why are you talking about a pedro/jorge repsol team?
It was the general talking about Repsol and Lorenzo-ness. I actually don't disagree with anything you said. Also, it's easier to hit quote on the BB than reply.
Don't worry, I only pick on you when it's about Elbowz ;) [beer]
[thumbsup]
Quote from: El Matador on June 18, 2010, 08:16:35 AM
It was the general talking about Repsol and Lorenzo-ness. I actually don't disagree with anything you said. Also, it's easier to hit quote on the BB than reply.
Don't worry, I only pick on you when it's about Elbowz ;) [beer]
Why you hatin' on the Ben? ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on June 18, 2010, 01:27:13 PM
Why you hatin' on the Ben? ;D
Not Hatin'. He's the other guy I root for in the championship. I'm just amazed at how the man is able to turn proud, grown ass men into Jonas-brothers type fans. I'm also still a little sore about Haga. :-*
Quote from: DesmoLu on June 18, 2010, 02:49:53 PM
Not Hatin'. He's the other guy I root for in the championship. I'm just amazed at how the man is able to turn proud, grown ass men into Jonas-brothers type fans. I'm also still a little sore about Haga. :-*
Why you wearin' the wifes panties? :P
Quote from: ducpainter on June 18, 2010, 02:52:19 PM
Why you wearin' the wifes panties? :P
Sometimes I like to dress up and put on make up in front of a mirror and reaffirm that I would do myself to cheesy 70's music. I also keep naked, chubby, young women captive in the well in the basement. ;D
(Even I got a little disturbed while posting that)
Quote from: DesmoLu on June 18, 2010, 02:57:24 PM
Sometimes I like to dress up and put on make up in front of a mirror and reaffirm that I would do myself to cheesy 70's music. I also keep naked, chubby, young women captive in the well in the basement. ;D
(Even I got a little disturbed while posting that)
agreed...
part of it
is pretty disturbing. [laugh]
This latest rumor makes me wanna touch myself . . .
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160818/1/valentino_rossi_heading_to_ducati.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160818/1/valentino_rossi_heading_to_ducati.html)
Why do they torture us?
Cuz they can. make the beast with two backsers. >:(
I'm going to absolutely lose my shit if--after all this--everyone stays put for 2011.
don't worry, that aint gonna happen.
Yamaha says its not making any moves until it becomes clear whether Stoner is going to Repsol. At first, we were all talking about the fact that the silly season depended on Rossi's move, not Stoner's.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84630 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84630)
I just can't figure out why Yamaha would wait. As soon as Stoner moves, the cost of keeping Valentino and/or Lorenzo goes way up b/c Marlboro NEEDS one of the two of them and will pay accordingly. If Jarvis can get either or both of them to sign before Casey moves, it'll cost less.
Then again, maybe Yamaha doesn't have a choice but to wait.
that article sounds like a lot of aspirational jibber jabber.
stoner is going to honda. repsol will keep dani. i don't know about dovi. i don't know about nicky, but i bet ducati keeps him. jorge stays, ben becomes his teammate. rossi goes to ducati.
i think rossi can leave yamaha in good conscience and i don't think the italian in him can resist.
Quote from: gm2 on June 21, 2010, 01:19:13 PM
that article sounds like a lot of aspirational jibber jabber.
stoner is going to honda. repsol will keep dani. i don't know about dovi. i don't know about nicky, but i bet ducati keeps him. jorge stays, ben becomes his teammate. rossi goes to ducati.
i think rossi can leave yamaha in good conscience and i don't think the italian in him can resist.
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[popcorn]
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/hayden-i-think-rossi-would-win-on-the-ducati/12181.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/hayden-i-think-rossi-would-win-on-the-ducati/12181.html)
Quote from: DucMouse on June 24, 2010, 07:29:55 AM
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/hayden-i-think-rossi-would-win-on-the-ducati/12181.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/hayden-i-think-rossi-would-win-on-the-ducati/12181.html)
in other news, i think rossi would eventually win on anything...
Quote from: derby on June 24, 2010, 08:02:44 AM
in other news, i think rossi would eventually win on anything...
...except the Suzuki.
Quote from: derby on June 24, 2010, 08:02:44 AM
in other news, i think rossi would eventually win on anything...
In other news, scientists have found that the world is round.
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/24/rossi_s_dilemma_15_million_euros_at_duca.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/24/rossi_s_dilemma_15_million_euros_at_duca.html)
15mm Euro = $18.5 million
Quote from: desmoquattro on June 24, 2010, 08:04:10 AM
...except the Suzuki.
give burgess and rossi a season of free reign development on it and i'd say he could even win on that.
Quote from: derby on June 24, 2010, 08:24:07 AM
give burgess and rossi a season of free reign development on it and i'd say he could even win on that.
...if suzi spent more money. but i guess that's what free reign means ;)
Quote from: gm2 on June 24, 2010, 08:25:47 AM
...if suzi spent more money. but i guess that's what free reign means ;)
yup...
Wonder if Rossi takes into consideration the possibility of having 3 GP championships with 3 different manufacturers? Has anyone ever done that? Seems it might solidify him as the GOAT if he isn't already. ???
hell yes he does. 4 manus (you forgot Aprilia), 5 classes, finishing on an italian marque... i'm sure he is very aware of his growing legacy.
my only question is this....the 15million euro's being offfered....does it come from Ducati, or from Marlboro?....Rossi has said in the past how he has a rather distaste for cigarette sponsorship ( hence how Galouise quickly ceased being a sponsor prominantly displayed on Rossi's Yamaha M1 bike ( instead displaying "GOOOOOO!!!!!!" ) and then soon was replaced with other sponsorship....Rossi has happily driven a Marlboro sponsored Ferrarri and I hardly see Marlboro going anywhere without a fight...and though Rossi can link himself to many a speculative sponsor (see some of the many photoshops of the Sedici with Rossi number and sponsorship of Fiat, Martini, etc. plastered on the bike)...but Marlboro has the capital and IS willing to spend it.....so in the end...how does that figure in the equation?!?!?!
Quote from: zooom on June 24, 2010, 09:31:52 AM
my only question is this....the 15million euro's being offfered....does it come from Ducati, or from Marlboro?....Rossi has said in the past how he has a rather distaste for cigarette sponsorship ( hence how Galouise quickly ceased being a sponsor prominantly displayed on Rossi's Yamaha M1 bike ( instead displaying "GOOOOOO!!!!!!" ) and then soon was replaced with other sponsorship....Rossi has happily driven a Marlboro sponsored Ferrarri and I hardly see Marlboro going anywhere without a fight...and though Rossi can link himself to many a speculative sponsor (see some of the many photoshops of the Sedici with Rossi number and sponsorship of Fiat, Martini, etc. plastered on the bike)...but Marlboro has the capital and IS willing to spend it.....so in the end...how does that figure in the equation?!?!?!
Red Bull is rumored to be considering sponsoring a GP team to counteract the Monster Energy sponsorship...just sayin :)
Quote from: zooom on June 24, 2010, 09:31:52 AM
my only question is this....the 15million euro's being offfered....does it come from Ducati, or from Marlboro?....
(ultimately) marlboro
Quote from: zooom on June 24, 2010, 09:31:52 AM
Rossi has said in the past how he has a rather distaste for cigarette sponsorship ( hence how Galouise quickly ceased being a sponsor prominantly displayed on Rossi's Yamaha M1 bike ( instead displaying "GOOOOOO!!!!!!" ) and then soon was replaced with other sponsorship....
the "GOOOOOOO!!!!!" was more due to tobacco advertising laws.
Quote from: zooom on June 24, 2010, 09:31:52 AM
Rossi has happily driven a Marlboro sponsored Ferrarri and I hardly see Marlboro going anywhere without a fight...and though Rossi can link himself to many a speculative sponsor (see some of the many photoshops of the Sedici with Rossi number and sponsorship of Fiat, Martini, etc. plastered on the bike)...but Marlboro has the capital and IS willing to spend it.....so in the end...how does that figure in the equation?!?!?!
how will it figure into the equation? did you see what they (reportedly) offered lorenzo when casey was sidelined?
Quote from: derby on June 24, 2010, 09:49:04 AM
how will it figure into the equation? did you see what they (reportedly) offered lorenzo when casey was sidelined?
but Lorenzo doesn't have a problem or a conflict with cigarette sponsorship....so that doesn't matter...Rossi lining up sponsors for the bike either to replace or coincide with Marlboro changes the tune, hence my 2nd question...
Quote from: desmoquattro on June 24, 2010, 09:43:16 AM
Red Bull is rumored to be considering sponsoring a GP team to counteract the Monster Energy sponsorship...just sayin :)
and I heard that as well...but I thought it was rumored to be linked to the Zuke as a replacement for Rizla...
Quote from: gm2 on June 24, 2010, 08:16:55 AM
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/24/rossi_s_dilemma_15_million_euros_at_duca.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/24/rossi_s_dilemma_15_million_euros_at_duca.html)
15mm Euro = $18.5 million
That is a good deal more than Yamaha have offered the Italian. Rossi is reportedly currently under contract for some 14 million euros, but had been in discussions with Yamaha prior to Mugello about reducing his salary to between 9 and 10 million euros. That reduction was being driven by the need to cut costs, and the Corriere dello Sport is reporting that Rossi was looking favorably upon the salary cut, and had expressed a desire to finish his career at Yamaha.
But it appears that part of that salary cut is needed to fund a doubling of Jorge Lorenzo's contract, from 4 million in 2010 to 8 million in 2011. This, understandably, has left Rossi much less amenable to taking the pay cut, and probably more disposed to consider other options.
O.U.C.H. . I'd move to Ducati too.
Take a 5 million Euro pay cut so that we can give it to your teammate/closest competitor.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 24, 2010, 10:00:23 AM
Take a 5 million Euro pay cut so that we can give it to your teammate/closest competitor.
...or ride a red bike, make more money, and fulfill the dreams and wishes of millions...
Quote from: duccarlos on June 24, 2010, 10:00:23 AM
Take a 5 million Euro pay cut so that we can give it to your teammate/closest competitor whose bike you developed for them.
Fixed.
Quote from: Spidey on June 24, 2010, 10:28:16 AM
Fixed.
No...
now it's fixed:
(http://static.blogo.it/twowheelsblog/valentino-rossi-ducati-livery/C_27_photogallery_1883_GroupPhotogallery_listphoto_itemPhoto_0_immagine.jpg)
Quote from: zooom on June 24, 2010, 09:53:48 AM
but Lorenzo doesn't have a problem or a conflict with cigarette sponsorship....so that doesn't matter...Rossi lining up sponsors for the bike either to replace or coincide with Marlboro changes the tune, hence my 2nd question...
rossi said he'd never race for tobacco money... and then he rode for gauloises. in my opinion, rossi's opposition to tobacco sponsorship ended there.
Quote from: desmoquattro on June 24, 2010, 10:40:53 AM
No...now it's fixed:
(http://static.blogo.it/twowheelsblog/valentino-rossi-ducati-livery/C_27_photogallery_1883_GroupPhotogallery_listphoto_itemPhoto_0_immagine.jpg)
Marlboro Mkt cap 40.86B
FIAT Mkt cap 13.90B
i'm pretty sure marlboro will continue their sponsorship of ducati (and ferrari) until they just don't want to anymore.
he'll be sportin' barcodes.
Quote from: gm2 on June 24, 2010, 11:53:28 AM
he'll be sportin' barcodes.
hell...I am surprised he doesn't have his own personal barcode that he should be marketing...
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/24062010/23/rossi-ducati-details.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/24062010/23/rossi-ducati-details.html)
QuoteMore details look to have emerged of the Ducati offer that could tempt MotoGP superstar Valentino Rossi to the Italian team for 2011.
Money looks to be one of the main factors - but not in the way you might imagine.
The Italian media are reporting that Ducati/Marlboro has tabled an offer of 15 million euros a year for the reigning nine time world champion - with future F1 and Rallying options with Ferrari/Fiat thrown in for good measure.
Please...please....PLEASE....
Quote from: desmoquattro on June 24, 2010, 03:51:16 PM
Please...please....PLEASE....
you are
way too excited about this.
Quote from: derby on June 24, 2010, 04:07:06 PM
you are way too excited about this.
Not nearly as excited as I'm gonna be when he actually signs...hopefully while I'm in Italy...at Misano ;D
i'm tellin' ya, he's going to do it. so you might as well start celebrating now. =)
Quote from: gm2 on June 25, 2010, 08:08:08 AM
i'm tellin' ya, he's going to do it. so you might as well start celebrating now. =)
yeah...I agree. But I'm more excited to see the Italians' reaction.
Quote from: desmoquattro on June 25, 2010, 08:14:07 AM
yeah...I agree. But I'm more excited to see the Italians' reaction.
the country will go into pandemonium and chaos...cats will kiss dogs...money will fall from the skies...oil will mix wih vinegar and water...men will understand women...and everyone will live in harmony!
Quote from: zooom on June 25, 2010, 08:37:11 AM
the country will go into pandemonium and chaos...cats will kiss dogs...money will fall from the skies...oil will mix wih vinegar and water...men will understand women...and everyone will live in harmony!
I was thinking they'd be throwing molotovs in the street :)
Id rather see him go to Suzuki to solidify his god-like status and make a shit bike a winner. Or better yet Kawasaki.
The race commentators tonight mentioned a rumour in the pits that Rossi has signed for Ducati and Stoner has signed for Honda. Rumours mind you..
Quote from: koko64 on June 26, 2010, 06:51:44 AM
The race commentators tonight mentioned a rumour in the pits that Rossi has signed for Ducati and Stoner has signed for Honda. Rumours mind you..
So let it be written...so let it be done!
More fodder:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/ducati-and-yamaha-offer-rossi-2011-contract/12308.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/ducati-and-yamaha-offer-rossi-2011-contract/12308.html)
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http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/news/braking-news/1043-rossi-ducati-perche-si-perche-no.html (http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/news/braking-news/1043-rossi-ducati-perche-si-perche-no.html)
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The manufacturer, which welcomed Rossi with open arms in 2004, is now suffering badly from the economic crisis. Last September, Yamaha fell well short of their forecasted sales figures.
...
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The numbers are cold and indisputable. The crisis hit hardest in September, and things did not improve much after the end of the motorsports season which saw the factory win the MotoGP, WSBK, and Motocross titles with Valentino Rossi, Ben Spies and Antonio Cairoli. In other words: a disaster.
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OMG, please just sign the damn thing.
I hadn't really focused on the Red Bull thing til they started talking about it this weekend. Dovi to a factory Honda on the RedBull team with Stoner and Pedrosa at Respol. That set-up would make the most sense:
Yami: Lorenzo/Spies
Ducati: Rossi/Hayden
Repsol: Stoner/Dickhead McRobot
RedBull: Dovi
Zuke: whoever wants to be in last place.
The weird part is that would leave (I think) four factory Hondas on the grid. But I don't know if Simoncellis has an HRC deal for 2012 too.
Quote from: Spidey on June 28, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
I hadn't really focused on the Red Bull thing til they started talking about it this weekend. Dovi to a factory Honda on the RedBull team with Stoner and Pedrosa at Respol. That set-up would make the most sense:
Yami: Lorenzo/Spies
Ducati: Rossi/Hayden
Repsol: Stoner/Dickhead McRobot
RedBull: Dovi
Zuke: whoever wants to be in last place.
I'm wondering if Pintey McAssTard doesn't end up at Yamaha, alongside Lorenzo. That'd be amusing, especially if Puig comes along for the ride.
Quote from: Spidey on June 28, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
Yami: Lorenzo/Spies
Ducati: Rossi/Hayden
Repsol: Stoner/Dickhead McRobot
RedBull: Dovi
Zuke: whoever wants to be in last place.
Tech 3: Capirossi/Edwards
Quote from: DanTheMan on June 28, 2010, 04:17:33 PM
Metamucil Tech 3: Capirossi/Edwards
Fixed to reflect new sponsor.
I was thinking more Advil and Icy Hot.....they aren't quite qualified for the geriatric treatment yet...close...but not quite yet...
Quote from: desmoquattro on June 28, 2010, 12:35:05 PM
I'm wondering if Pintey McAssTard doesn't end up at Yamaha, alongside Lorenzo. That'd be amusing, especially if Puig comes along for the ride.
You're joking, right? The turd and Lorenzo would not survive the first photo shoot without at least one black eye. They can't stand each other.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 29, 2010, 05:12:39 AM
You're joking, right? The turd and Lorenzo would not survive the first photo shoot without at least one black eye. They can't stand each other.
That's why it'd be amusing [evil]
there's no way respsol.. not honda, respsol.. is going to let pedro go. at least not without a fight, aka Great Big Check.
and i think the M1 he could conceivably get his tiny hands on is already pretty much spoken for.
Quote from: gm2 on June 29, 2010, 07:15:57 AM
there's no way respsol.. not honda, respsol.. is going to let pedro go. at least not without a fight, aka Great Big Check.
Maybe. But the prospect of Stoner showing up might influence that. Does he displace Dovi?
dunno. but Dovi is not as important to Respol as Pedro, nor is he as important to HRC as Stoner.
but there is grumbling about 3 factory bikes now, one of them under Red Bull.
Quote from: gm2 on June 29, 2010, 07:32:35 AM
but there is grumbling about 3 factory bikes now, one of them under Red Bull.
Hey, do you know what Simoncelli's deal is for 2012? I thought he's on a HRC bike this year. If he's got the same deal for 2012, that'd mean four factory Hondas on the grid.
Quote from: Spidey on June 29, 2010, 07:36:37 AM
Hey, do you know what Simoncelli's deal is for 2012? I thought he's on a HRC bike this year. If he's got the same deal for 2012, that'd mean four factory Hondas on the grid.
why would it mean that over putting him right back where he is now? a huge part of getting the san carlo sponsorship this year was contingent on there being 2 italian riders on that team.
or, if you mean that in technical terms, that's already the case now. or was at the beginning of the season. the gresini bikes started out as factory bikes, the only difference being the electronics package.
I didn't understand your post.
My understanding is that Simoncelli is riding a factory-spec bike this year. If his deal gets him a factory-spec bike next year (does it?_ and Dovi is on a factory bike with Red Bull, that'd be four factory bikes on the grid.
ah, i see what you mean. dunno if his deal stipulates what bike he gets. maybe he needs to perform at X this year to get it again next year.
and do we know that melandri's bike is not also factory-spec? now that i'm thinking more about it i vaguely recall that it's not, b/c i remember thinking about it was a little sad that he gets a customer bike and simoncelli gets a factory bike.
either way, when i said 3 factory bikes earlier i meant at the HRC level, not the bike-spec level. like, if the red bull thing happens dovi wouldn't be getting a demotion; he'd be getting a 'new' factory seat. yes, it gets confusing when simoncelli's check comes from HRC but he's on the satellite team. same with ben and yamaha.
Quote from: gm2 on June 29, 2010, 08:20:03 AM
and do we know that melandri's bike is not also factory-spec? now that i'm thinking more about it i vaguely recall that it's not, b/c i remember thinking about it was a little sad that he gets a customer bike and simoncelli gets a factory bike.
That's how I remember it too. Edit: Yup. http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/151110/1/melandri_simoncelli_will_have_factory_honda.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/151110/1/melandri_simoncelli_will_have_factory_honda.html)
Honestly, I don't understand the difference between (1) having a factory ride, and (2) having a factory-spec bike and getting your check from the factory. Is the difference with the crew/engineers/development guys?
Quote from: Spidey on June 29, 2010, 08:23:27 AM
That's how I remember it too.
Honestly, I don't understand the difference between (1) having a factory ride, and (2) having a factory-spec bike and getting your check from the factory. Is the difference with the crew/engineers/development guys?
yes. and the frequency/timing/amount of parts throughout the year. pedros bike gets basically whatever he asks for and there are engineers actively tasked with making him win. marco waits.
and in this case, the electronics have not been equivalent since the start.
Another thing to consider regarding the Honda and Pedrosa situation is thay honda have already declared that they're designing a "twitchier" bike to be easier for smaller riders and sinking a whole lot of money in electronically controlled steering dampers. Basically, all the R and D is going towards making the bike more Pedrosa friendly
Quote from: El Matador on June 29, 2010, 08:41:49 AM
Another thing to consider regarding the Honda and Pedrosa situation is thay honda have already declared that they're designing a "twitchier" bike to be easier for smaller riders and sinking a whole lot of money in electronically controlled steering dampers. Basically, all the R and D is going towards making the bike more Pedrosa friendly
geeee....pretty much hasn't the whole RC212V 800 bike been developed around Smurfy Mcmake the beast with two backsstick anyway??
Aren't the electronic steering dampers outlawed for 2011?
Quote from: zooom on June 29, 2010, 08:45:47 AM
geeee....pretty much hasn't the whole RC212V 800 bike been developed around Smurfy Mcmake the beast with two backsstick anyway??
once you consider that dorna, repsol, and pedro are all spanish...
Quote from: gm2 on June 29, 2010, 08:49:18 AM
once you consider that dorna, repsol, and pedro are all spanish...
are you saying it was a conspiracy to get Pedro a championship by getting the 800CC spec in place and that by proxy he could rule the class via minibike?
More fuel for the fire...
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/June/jun2910-World-Exclusive-Rossi-to-Ducati/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/June/jun2910-World-Exclusive-Rossi-to-Ducati/)
Yeah, it's MCN...but a guy can hope.
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-to-ducati-the-plotting-continues/ (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-to-ducati-the-plotting-continues/)
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/30062010/23/rossi-ducati-deal-announced-catalunya.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/30062010/23/rossi-ducati-deal-announced-catalunya.html)
When I hear it from the horse's mouth... [popcorn]
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/161149/1/rossi_2011_deal_could_be_announced_in_catalunya.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/161149/1/rossi_2011_deal_could_be_announced_in_catalunya.html)
slightly more reliable than MCN..
Ok, so now that we know where all factory guys (suke doesn't count) and Spies are going, ;D what happens with Tech 3, Team Marco and the team of 50cc scooters that Suzuki is running?
sounds like there is a reasonable chance (strange as it is) that capirossi will take ben's seat at tech 3
and i wouldn't be surprised if team marco stays as is.
Gawd, when was the last time Capi had a decent bike? 2006? It's easy to forget that he's still fast as shit.
Crutchlow/Capi would be a wierd team if Edwards retires. Though personally, I think Crutchlow needs another year in WSBK and should come to GP when the bikes switch to 1000cc and when everyone is at a disadvantage.
Please God, let him announce this week...
people, relax. i'm tellin ya, he's going.
:)
Quote from: gm2 on June 30, 2010, 12:46:00 PM
people, relax. i'm tellin ya, he's going.
:)
You just want your Ben on the factory bike.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 30, 2010, 12:47:06 PM
You just want your Ben on the factory bike.
well, yeah.
but i really think that this is rossi's next, and last, move. i think it's a done deal.
Quote from: gm2 on June 30, 2010, 12:52:40 PM
well, yeah.
but i really think that this is rossi's next, and last, move. i think it's a done deal.
We'll see.
Financially and egotistically it's a no brainer...
I'm not so certain it will work out for him competitively.
He is, however, Rossi.
Sometimes I think he could make the Suzuki fast. :P
Quote from: ducpainter on June 30, 2010, 01:00:41 PM
Sometimes I think he could make the Suzuki fast. :P
he already did that with the M1. give him a budget, JB and his mechanics, he'll do it.
btw, maybe the 2010 engine config on the desmo is just smoke to get casey to move. maybe Vittorio "suddenly" goes back to the screamer next year... [evil]
Quote from: gm2 on June 30, 2010, 01:10:03 PM
he already did that with the M1. give him a budget, JB and his mechanics, he'll do it.
The question, in my mind, is will Preziosi leave
his ego at home and allow the boys to work their magic?
Assuming that this will actually happen. ;D
Quote from: gm2 on June 30, 2010, 01:19:00 PM
btw, maybe the 2010 engine config on the desmo is just smoke to get casey to move. maybe Vittorio "suddenly" goes back to the screamer next year... [evil]
Sure...
throw a wrench in the works. [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on June 30, 2010, 01:21:23 PM
The question, in my mind, is will Preziosi leave his ego at home and allow the boys to work their magic?
i'm sure the rossi contract says, in essence: here's lots of money; we'll do whatever you need to win. when you leave we want an italian M1.
So how does this fit in?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/June/jun3010-burgess-i-hope-rossi-doesnt-leave/_/R-EPI-125093 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/June/jun3010-burgess-i-hope-rossi-doesnt-leave/_/R-EPI-125093)
Burgess --> "I have anticipated for a while that Valentino would renew his contract there, or go to F1 if the third Ferrari is possible, but I don't know if anything has changed that.
"I enjoy working at Yamaha and it has been the most enjoyable period of my whole career in Grand Prix racing.
"I see no reason for me, and I hope Valentino, to walk away from seven years of successful work."
Will Burgess go wherever Rossi goes?
Quote from: Triple J on June 30, 2010, 01:32:12 PM
So how does this fit in?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/.... (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/....)
well, it's MCN.
that said, i have a hard time imagining rossi going anywhere without JB.
Quote from: gm2 on June 30, 2010, 01:35:29 PM
well, it's MCN.
that said, i have a hard time imagining rossi going anywhere without JB.
...and I have a hard time imagining it hasn't already been discussed between them.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 30, 2010, 01:47:58 PM
...and I have a hard time imagining it hasn't already been discussed between them.
...and I have a hard time seeing Burgess not go with Rossi when he decides to leave ;D
I suspect it's a done deal from Rossi's perspective...and he's just trying to bring Burgess along with him. Of course, I won't put it past Ducati to not screw this thing up somehow...
so, in other Ducati oriented sillyness...what do you think the chances are of Checa replacing Haga on the factory Ducati for next year?
Quote from: zooom on July 01, 2010, 07:55:21 AM
so, in other Ducati oriented sillyness...what do you think the chances are of Checa replacing Haga on the factory Ducati for next year?
i'ma guess that corse has had enough of hiring the old dudes. unless the 1198 is entering a GP8/9-like time and no one wants it.
Smrz is a likely candidate. tho nori says he is years from retiring.
Quote from: gm2 on July 01, 2010, 08:14:42 AM
i'ma guess that corse has had enough of hiring the old dudes. unless the 1198 is entering a GP8/9-like time and no one wants it.
Smrz is a likely candidate. tho nori says he is years from retiring.
yeah, but giving away the championship last year to the Ben and then being the suck this year I am sure doesn't exactly instill confidence in your employer to renew your contract...
http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jul/100701a.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jul/100701a.htm)
Quote from: gm2 on July 01, 2010, 09:57:41 AM
http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jul/100701a.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jul/100701a.htm)
They've kept a very positive public face on their relationship, but behind closed doors Rossi and Lorenzo have, at best, a very tepid working relationship. That said, the atmosphere of a race team and accompanying high stakes means that teammates rarely become truly friendly. Former Ducati race boss Eraldo Ferracci put it best, after seeing one of his riders chatting with a rival rider. He chastised him, saying, "The only reason you should be over there is to try and (have sex with) his girlfriend." [clap] [laugh]
yeah, i thought that was more pertinent than the JB thing too. [laugh]
Quote from: zooom on July 01, 2010, 08:39:52 AM
yeah, but giving away the championship last year to the Ben and then being the suck this year I am sure doesn't exactly instill confidence in your employer to renew your contract...
giving away? seriously?
Quote from: gm2 on July 01, 2010, 09:57:41 AM
http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jul/100701a.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jul/100701a.htm)
I think the most important piece of that is: "Rossi (31) has only worked with one crewchief for the entirety of his 500/MotoGP career and that man, Jeremy Burgess, said recently on Australian television that he will follow "his rider" wherever he goes, including, presumably, Ducati."
Quote from: gm2 on July 01, 2010, 09:57:41 AM
http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jul/100701a.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jul/100701a.htm)
I thought this was pertinent...
In his book "What If I Hadn't Tried It" Rossi wrote that when he left Honda he was courted by both Ducati and Yamaha, but he found the atmosphere at Ducati's MotoGP program to be more like the Honda one he was leaving, where engineers are king and riders are tools, inferring that Ducati is purely an engineering firm and not as "rider friendly" as he would have liked. Has that changed since Rossi last spoke to Ducati?
Quote from: ducpainter on July 02, 2010, 01:29:14 AM
I thought this was pertinent... Has that changed since Rossi last spoke to Ducati? [/i]
I would venture to say yes their attitude has changed. At the time Ducati was a new player in the game. Their a little more established now and have an idea that the rider is important. Developing a bike for Nicky is proof. But otoh they didn't listen to Melandri.
(http://www.visordown.com/uploads/images/Huge/8823.jpg)
Quote from: DanTheMan on July 02, 2010, 01:58:54 AM
I would venture to say yes their attitude has changed. At the time Ducati was a new player in the game. Their a little more established now and have an idea that the rider is important. Developing a bike for Nicky is proof. But otoh they didn't listen to Melandri.
And in essence have developed a bike
no one seems able to win on.
Will they listen to Rossi and give him what he needs to win?
Assuming he goes red of course.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 02, 2010, 02:12:48 AM
And in essence have developed a bike no one seems able to win on.
Will they listen to Rossi and give him what he needs to win?
Assuming he goes red of course.
I would hope they would be smart enough to recognize his and his teams talent to develop a bike. but we shall see [popcorn]
Quote from: zooom on July 01, 2010, 08:39:52 AM
yeah, but giving away the championship last year to the Ben and then being the suck this year I am sure doesn't exactly instill confidence in your employer to renew your contract...
Quote from: derby on July 01, 2010, 03:33:46 PM
giving away? seriously?
yes...giving away....he was 88 points ahead of Ben at one point...he crashed at Nurburgring in an uneventful fashion and seemed to not even make an effort to get that bike back up and try and get back in it to salvage a few points....granted at Nurburgring, his shoulder wasn't fully healed and whatnot, but still...and then getting edged out by Spies in Race 1 at Magny Cours...and then crashing in Race 1 at Portimao....so yeah...I say he gave it away.
He gave it away. AND The Ben took it.
In other silly season chat, Elias needs to be back in GP and on a consistent ride. He's shown he belongs there (not that he hadn't before).
Quote from: zooom on July 02, 2010, 03:02:31 AM
he crashed at Nurburgring in an uneventful fashion and seemed to not even make an effort to get that bike back up and try and get back in it to salvage a few points
the bike was broke, dude.
Quote from: gm2 on July 02, 2010, 07:59:08 AM
the bike was broke, dude.
I don't recall that...I recall it being turn 1 slow lowside and due to the angle of how it rested in the camber of that righthand downward turn, it looked like with his shoulder not fully healed, he just was not in the most optimal position to be able to get it flipped right back up quickly on his own...not that the bike was unrideable...
this is from memory of course...
Quote from: Spidey on July 02, 2010, 06:59:25 AM
In other silly season chat, Elias needs to be back in GP and on a consistent ride. He's shown he belongs there (not that he hadn't before).
with claiming rule teams coming and then Gresini having 2 years of experience running ~spec engines in prototype chassis, i bet we'll see him back on the grid then.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 02, 2010, 02:12:48 AM
And in essence have developed a bike no one seems able to win on.
Will they listen to Rossi and give him what he needs to win?
Assuming he goes red of course.
Ducati needs to sell bikes....I don't think they even care if Rossi can win the championship in 2011 (although I'd like him to). He and Nicky would be good as "teammates", too.....
Why would they let stoner go? He's the only one that can put the bike on the box? A stoner/Rossi combo would potentially put two bikes on the box every race. That would sell more than having Hayden on the team. 1) US is already the #1 market, 2) US doesn't watch Moto GP 3)2 bikes on the box, more sponsorship money.
Quote from: DanTheMan on July 05, 2010, 03:38:04 PM
Why would they let stoner go? He's the only one that can put the bike on the box? A stoner/Rossi combo would potentially put two bikes on the box every race. That would sell more than having Hayden on the team. 1) US is already the #1 market, 2) US doesn't watch Moto GP 3)2 bikes on the box, more sponsorship money.
Stoner's gone...straight to HRC and the waiting arms of Livio Suppo. And I doubt Rossi would share a team (much less a garage) with Stoner.
Quote from: DanTheMan on July 05, 2010, 03:38:04 PM
Why would they let stoner go? He's the only one that can put the bike on the box? A stoner/Rossi combo would potentially put two bikes on the box every race. That would sell more than having Hayden on the team. 1) US is already the #1 market, 2) US doesn't watch Moto GP 3)2 bikes on the box, more sponsorship money.
Why go and use logic with the fanboys?
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 05, 2010, 04:21:11 PM
<snip> And I doubt Rossi would share a team (much less a garage) with Stoner.
He has to share it with someone.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 05, 2010, 04:23:52 PM
He has to share it with someone.
But not one of the other aliens, who would command a larger portion of Marlboro's sponsorship money. Hayden's an easy choice to team with...been there, done that, and he's no longer a threat to Rossi.
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 05, 2010, 04:29:44 PM
But not one of the other aliens, who would command a larger portion of Marlboro's sponsorship money. Hayden's an easy choice to team with...been there, done that, and he's no longer a threat to Rossi.
Why would Rossi, the greatest of all time, be such a pussy about riding with another alien on the same equipment? I guess at the end of the day he just wants to win....
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 05, 2010, 04:29:44 PM
But not one of the other aliens, who would command a larger portion of Marlboro's sponsorship money. Hayden's an easy choice to team with...been there, done that, and he's no longer a threat to Rossi.
I'm thinking Rossi would prefer to embarrass Stoner on the same equipment...which he would in short order.
Quote from: DanTheMan on July 05, 2010, 04:35:42 PM
Why would Rossi, the greatest of all time, be such a pussy about riding with another alien on the same equipment? I guess at the end of the day he just wants to win....
I think its easier for a team to work around one rider and what direction they want to go than two. I'm sure Rossi is also tired of developing his top rivals' machine. I think the 2011 Yamaha will still be top of the pile, but 2012 is where we'll see everyone get a fresh start. I'm pretty excited and hope they do shake it up. Its good for GP and switching teams will most likely keep Rossi around a little longer along with Lorenzo's talent also keeping the GOAT motivated.
Quote from: Jester on July 05, 2010, 04:51:19 PM
I think its easier for a team to work around one rider and what direction they want to go than two. I'm sure Rossi is also tired of developing his top rivals' machine. I think the 2011 Yamaha will still be top of the pile, but 2012 is where we'll see everyone get a fresh start. I'm pretty excited and hope they do shake it up. Its good for GP and switching teams will most likely keep Rossi around a little longer along with Lorenzo's talent also keeping the GOAT motivated.
+1 on Rossi not wanting to develop the bike his top rival will be riding. Also,Rossi moving to Ducati will open up a factory ride for Spies, and that will mean another rider up front battling for the win(at least i hope it does).
Another thing to consider is that no matter how much money ducati has, it would be difficult to pay two alien's salary. I mean Rossi is reportedly getting a cool 20 mil; if yamaha was having to cut his salary to afford lorenzo, I see it hard for a company that's a twentieth of it's size to afford two topp riders
Quote from: El Matador on July 05, 2010, 06:16:49 PM
Another thing to consider is that no matter how much money ducati has, it would be difficult to pay two alien's salary. I mean Rossi is reportedly getting a cool 20 mil; if yamaha was having to cut his salary to afford lorenzo, I see it hard for a company that's a twentieth of it's size to afford two topp riders
you must not understand where this money comes from...
Marlboro Mkt cap 40.86B
FIAT Mkt cap 13.90B
It doesn't seem like Ducati has a choice of Stoner leaving.
I'm also not sure Marlboro would be willing to pay both Stoner and Rossi...but who knows. They can afford it, but are they willing to spend it. ???
Quote from: Triple J on July 05, 2010, 07:10:40 PM
It doesn't seem like Ducati has a choice of Stoner leaving.
I'm also not sure Marlboro would be willing to pay both Stoner and Rossi...but who knows. They can afford it, but are they willing to spend it. ???
Well lets make a promise to start smoking if it happens.
(http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/smilies/smoking.gif)
I don't think its as much about the money as it is the challenge for Rossi, If the zukie was a strong bike he would be entertaining that offer as well.
Quote from: DanTheMan on July 05, 2010, 03:38:04 PM
Why would they let stoner go? He's the only one that can put the bike on the box? A stoner/Rossi combo would potentially put two bikes on the box every race. That would sell more than having Hayden on the team. 1) US is already the #1 market, 2) US doesn't watch Moto GP 3)2 bikes on the box, more sponsorship money.
lets take a look at this from a different perspective for a moment...from say a WDW perspective( as reported by a couple of people who were there)...if Stoner were the favorite son, then why was Nicky more mobbed for autographs than Casey and why was Nicky not marched around from event and activity like Casey was?...the answer to the latter is somewhat that Casey doesn't like doing to PR stuff and this has been a continuing problem with him...and that is just as much a part of their job for the factory and sponsor as riding...and Nicky is much more personable and endearing to this which does sell merchandise and bikes...have you seen a Stoner edition Ducati?...I've seen Bayliss bikes and Hayden bikes and they sold out...I just don't recall seeing a Stoner edition....do you think that if Rossi went to Ducati, you'de see a Rossi edition 'Sedici or 1198R?...I do...do you think he'd sell merchandise?...I do...and yet people would still buy Hayden stuff also...I don't think they'de buy Stoner stuff with Rossi on board....so from a marketing perspective...the Rossi/Hayden combo is MUCH more attractive than a Rossi/Stoner one IMHO....
Actually i know first hand that he does not like to do PR stuff. He feels like a piece of meat, but he doesn't understand thats part of the Job!!!! I do sympathize with him, he just wants to ride, everyone just wants him to sign make the beast with two backsen posters which half will lost on the freeway back to Valencia. I lost my poster on the freeway. Can't tell you why no Stoner edition, but maybe thats a good indication of corporate marketing attitude. Maybe the Auusies don't buy ducati's. Agreed Less market for Stoner stuff with Rossi on board. I guess there would be merchandising advantage with Rossi/Haden, but is that where the real money comes from?
Quote from: DanTheMan on July 06, 2010, 04:36:53 AM
I guess there would be merchandising advantage with Rossi/Haden, but is that where the real money comes from?
there is more gross money to be made from merchandise and accessories than there is from a motorcycle purchase....
Quote from: zooom on July 06, 2010, 05:03:44 AM
there is more gross money to be made from merchandise and accessories than there is from a motorcycle purchase....
I was thinking big money sponsors for wining or top 3.
I've grown to dislike Stoner the past few years. For all the shite that is slung around here about Pedrosa, Stoner comes off as a way bigger tool then Pedrosa IMHO. It is always annoying when a guy is getting paid an a$$load of cash to do something that comes with fame and he acts like he's pissed about it. Embrace it and go with the flow while it lasts. You'll have the rest of your life to be a wall flower.
You don't have to be Rossi or Jorge but at least be as pleasant and thankful for your situation as Nicky. It is part of the job of being the face of the factory race team. Stop being a whiner. Just my .02 cents.
PS Someone give his wife a hamburger as well! [laugh]
Quote from: GregP on July 06, 2010, 05:12:58 AM
PS Someone give his wife a hamburger as well! [laugh]
...or a sausage.
Quote from: GregP on July 06, 2010, 05:12:58 AM
I've grown to dislike Stoner the past few years. For all the shite that is slung around here about Pedrosa, Stoner comes off as a way bigger tool then Pedrosa IMHO.
if stoner hadn't won his championship on a duc, he would've been labeled a douche on this board long, long ago...
I ride a duc and you guys still call me a douche ???
Quote from: derby on July 06, 2010, 05:42:24 AM
if stoner hadn't won his championship on a duc, he would've been labeled a douche on this board long, long ago...
True, and i think he would be a little more PR friendly just to keep a ride.
Quote from: bobspapa on July 06, 2010, 05:46:52 AM
I ride a duc and you guys still call me a douche ???
And you keep coming back.
Kidding luv ya! :-*
Quote from: derby on July 06, 2010, 05:42:24 AM
if stoner hadn't won his championship on a duc, he would've been labeled a douche on this board long, long ago...
Absolutely.
I'm surprised for as long as Stoner has been around the game that he's still such a whiny pregnant dog about doing press work. Every racer--even club racers--knows that it's an integral part of the sport. You never just get to have someone pay you to race motorcycles and that's it.
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/07/exclusive-casey-stoner-signs-w.html (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/07/exclusive-casey-stoner-signs-w.html)
Casey's move being made official today....
Quote from: zooom on July 07, 2010, 06:22:05 AM
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/07/exclusive-casey-stoner-signs-w.html (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/07/exclusive-casey-stoner-signs-w.html)
Casey's move being made official today....
Waiting for Vale... [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 07, 2010, 06:38:57 AM
Waiting for Vale... [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
[roll]
I think maybe he might do it alongside the announcement of the assessment announcement of where he thinks his healing is and the time needed after his test on the Sterilgarda WSBK Yamaha today maybe?!?!?!....it'd be nice anyways...
I think Rossi is going to stay at Yamaha and Ducati will end up with Dovi. [coffee]
;D
Quote from: Triple J on July 07, 2010, 07:16:16 AM
I think Rossi is going to stay at Yamaha and Ducati will end up with Dovi. [coffee]
;D
Blasphemy!
Stoner just wants to race, he doesn't like the rest of the PR shit, can't say I blame him but yes, it is his job and he should get over it.
I've been less than impressed with Stoner this season but I'm still a fan. I think if Rossi ends up at Ducati, the bike will be quickly made to suit him and Hayden will continue on. I think Rossi's ideal setup will suit Hayden much more than Stoner's ideal setup did.
I thought that occurred to me: I think they made the big bang version of the bike because they knew that Stoner would probably leave and felt it was a better bet to raise average results across the team than invest in Stoner who was going away anyway. Thoughts?
Quote from: EvilSteve on July 07, 2010, 07:44:44 AM
I thought that occurred to me: I think they made the big bang version of the bike because they knew that Stoner would probably leave and felt it was a better bet to raise average results across the team than invest in Stoner who was going away anyway. Thoughts?
i said virtually the same thing earlier. this thread, i think.
i kinda doubt it, but it would be funny if the GP11 is a screamer.
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/stoner-to-repsol-honda-announcement-expected-today/12548.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/stoner-to-repsol-honda-announcement-expected-today/12548.html)
Stoner announcement expected today.
Finally the dominoes start falling. I used to respect that little whiney pregnant dog but the last couple of years have really made me dislike him.
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 07, 2010, 08:09:47 AM
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/stoner-to-repsol-honda-announcement-expected-today/12548.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/stoner-to-repsol-honda-announcement-expected-today/12548.html)
Stoner announcement expected today.
you think? http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg718924#msg718924 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg718924#msg718924)
even though yours comes from a different link source...LOL
Quote from: zooom on July 07, 2010, 08:23:26 AM
you think? http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg718924#msg718924 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg718924#msg718924)
OH GOD!! It's a self-linked paradox!! Someone must have started the Hadron Collider!!
:o
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 07, 2010, 08:26:04 AM
Someone must have started the Hadron Collider!!
[laugh]
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 07, 2010, 08:26:04 AM
Someone must have started the Hadron Collider!!
:o
good...I needed some chocolate and peanut butter put together...let me know when they are done assembling my snacks!!!
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 07, 2010, 08:26:04 AM
OH GOD!! It's a self-linked paradox!! Someone must have started the Hadron Collider!!
:o
(http://www.csie.nctu.edu.tw/~movies/new/plot/Malkovich.jpg)
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 07, 2010, 09:40:02 AM
(http://www.csie.nctu.edu.tw/~movies/new/plot/Malkovich.jpg)
Malkovich? Malkovich? Malkovich, Malkovich.
Quote from: El Matador on July 07, 2010, 08:16:59 AM
Finally the dominoes start falling. I used to respect that little whiney pregnant dog but the last couple of years have really made me dislike him.
probably because his personality's tolerable for exactly as long as he's winning? ;)
Capirossi maybe back to Ducati (satellite).
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/July/jul0810-capirossi-to-ducati/_/R-EPI-125299 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/July/jul0810-capirossi-to-ducati/_/R-EPI-125299)
Not all that exciting...I just posted it for the following quote:
...but factory boss Alessando Cicognani told MCN: “Loris has the capacity to stay at the front with the top four."
Um, OK. [laugh]
Quote from: Triple J on July 08, 2010, 07:56:08 AM
Capirossi maybe back to Ducati (satellite).
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/July/jul0810-capirossi-to-ducati/_/R-EPI-125299 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/July/jul0810-capirossi-to-ducati/_/R-EPI-125299)
Not all that exciting...I just posted it for the following quote:
...but factory boss Alessando Cicognani told MCN: “Loris has the capacity to stay at the front with the top four."
Um, OK. [laugh]
Maybe that's what the press is talking about...it's not
Rossi going to Ducati, it's
Capirossi.
Quote from: Triple J on July 08, 2010, 07:56:08 AM
...but factory boss Alessando Cicognani told MCN: “Loris has the capacity to stay at the front with the top four."
Um, OK. [laugh]
I don't think that's entirely wrong. On a bike that he can ride (which he hasn't had for years now), he can run with those guys sometimes. Not consistently, but some of the time.
2006 (990) he had 3 wins and 8 podiums. 2007 (800 devil bike) he had 1 win and 4 podiums. he can run up there.
+1 GM2, Capo is highly underrated. Hell, he managed the unrideable much better than anyone bar Stoner.
Quote from: gm2 on July 08, 2010, 08:18:13 AM
2006 (990) he had 3 wins and 8 podiums. 2007 (800 devil bike) he had 1 win and 4 podiums. he can run up there.
Wasn't 2006 when Gibernau torpedoed half the grid and Capirossi busted his shoulder?
Quote from: Cider on July 08, 2010, 08:37:23 AM
Wasn't 2006 when Gibernau torpedoed half the grid and Capirossi busted his shoulder?
There was a lotta that going on in 2006:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/highsider/repsol.jpg)
Quote from: Cider on July 08, 2010, 08:37:23 AM
Wasn't 2006 when Gibernau torpedoed half the grid and Capirossi busted his shoulder?
The year he was seriously in the running for the championship? Yes. make the beast with two backsin' Sete. >:(
Video here:
http://motogpworld.net/2009/11/video-2006-catalunya-motogp-turn-1-crash-gibernau-capirossi-melandri-pedrosa/ (http://motogpworld.net/2009/11/video-2006-catalunya-motogp-turn-1-crash-gibernau-capirossi-melandri-pedrosa/)
Quote from: Spidey on July 08, 2010, 08:13:40 AM
Not consistently, but some of the time.
I guess I can agree with that. I don't see him doing it on a consistent basis though.
2006, sete's brake lever of death, yes.
and granted we are hell and gone from the 990 era and the michelin-bridgestone passing eachother in the night thing, but you could argue that capi was going to give it a solid run that year. if his teammate hadn't bulldozed him.
sorry, i can't let a mention of capirossi being taken out by his teammate go without pointing out it's karmic payback for loris' own team violation:
Moto 250 GP Capirossi vs Harada Crash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X47sTzsInOg#normal)
this is loris torpedoing his teammate at the final round of the 1998 season to take the championship. aprilia was so pleased that they fired him.
Quote from: El Matador on July 08, 2010, 08:29:32 AM
+1 GM2, Capo is highly underrated. Hell, he managed the unrideable much better than anyone bar Stoner.
...and his wife is still hot. ;D
Tis confirmed that Stoner is going to Honda. Ducati sent an announcement an hour ago on facebook too. Hopefully there will be more 2011 announcements now that this domino has fallen.
http://www.ducati.com/news/ducati_and_stoner_to_part_company_at_the_end_of_2010_after_four_fantastic_years_together/2010/07/09/1642/index.do (http://www.ducati.com/news/ducati_and_stoner_to_part_company_at_the_end_of_2010_after_four_fantastic_years_together/2010/07/09/1642/index.do)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h6YjVK3vdY6-xEb8nOLiHd1iJMFQ (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h6YjVK3vdY6-xEb8nOLiHd1iJMFQ)
Quote from: NoisyDante on July 09, 2010, 01:14:30 AM
Tis confirmed that Stoner is going to Honda. Ducati sent an announcement an hour ago on facebook too. Hopefully there will be more 2011 announcements now that this domino has fallen.
http://www.ducati.com/news/ducati_and_stoner_to_part_company_at_the_end_of_2010_after_four_fantastic_years_together/2010/07/09/1642/index.do (http://www.ducati.com/news/ducati_and_stoner_to_part_company_at_the_end_of_2010_after_four_fantastic_years_together/2010/07/09/1642/index.do)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h6YjVK3vdY6-xEb8nOLiHd1iJMFQ (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h6YjVK3vdY6-xEb8nOLiHd1iJMFQ)
C'mon Vale... [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
...hopes to team Stoner with current factory riders Dani Pedrosa and Andrea Dovizioso in 2011.
interesting that they're being open about keeping Dovi/having 3 bikes
Quote from: gm2 on July 09, 2010, 04:27:59 AM
...hopes to team Stoner with current factory riders Dani Pedrosa and Andrea Dovizioso in 2011.
interesting that they're being open about keeping Dovi/having 3 bikes
i hope so, it sucks that it seems only the factory bikes have a chance at winning, and there are only 6 factory bikes on the grid (suzuki doesnt count). Hayden cant win anywhere other than Laguna so essentially 5. Dovi is kinda a random draw to win, so now were down to 4. Has anyone besides the top 4 won a race in the last few years? Excluding wet races....
Hate to say it but the factory teams are turing the racing to shit, unless they supply the sat teams with the same stuff. Why during the 990 years it seemed like there were many more sat teams that had a chance to win and did on occasion?
Quote from: DanTheMan on July 09, 2010, 04:38:13 AM
Why during the 990 years it seemed like there were many more sat teams that had a chance to win and did on occasion?
because most of those satellite riders were on the RC211V and that was one hell of a bike.
and there was tire competition.
and also there was the variance in riding styles which changed the charachteristics of passing and lines in the 990 era...
Quote from: gm2 on July 09, 2010, 04:44:41 AM
because most of those satellite riders were on the RC211V and that was one hell of a bike.
and there was tire competition.
Good point. Rain races excluded, when was the last time a non-factory bike won a race that wasn't a Honda? Any in the four-stroke era?
Quote from: Cider on July 09, 2010, 06:19:32 AM
Good point. Rain races excluded, when was the last time a non-factory bike won a race that wasn't a Honda? Any in the four-stroke era?
Marco Melandri at Phillip Island in 2006?
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QJRjQSSumb8/0.jpg)
Quote from: Cider on July 09, 2010, 06:19:32 AM
Good point. Rain races excluded, when was the last time a non-factory bike won a race that wasn't a Honda? Any in the four-stroke era?
you talkin the whole 4 stroke era, or just the 800cc era?
Quote from: zooom on July 09, 2010, 06:32:25 AM
you talkin the whole 4 stroke era, or just the 800cc era?
None in the 800cc era, IIRC.
Quote from: Cider on July 09, 2010, 06:19:32 AM
Good point. Rain races excluded, when was the last time a non-factory bike won a race that wasn't a Honda? Any in the four-stroke era?
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 09, 2010, 06:30:19 AM
Marco Melandri at Phillip Island in 2006?
That was a Honda.
A coupla min skim of results shows none in the four-stroke era.
Didn't KR, Jr. led into the last lap @ Estoril '06 on the Honda/Roberts hybrid?
Quote from: bdfinally on July 09, 2010, 07:28:16 AM
Didn't KR, Jr. led into the last lap @ Estoril '06 on the Honda/Roberts hybrid?
I think so. IIRC, he miscounted laps, and ended up in third. Elias won, Rossi second.
More fuel for the fire [evil]
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/valentino-rossi-signs-two-year-contract-with-ducati/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/valentino-rossi-signs-two-year-contract-with-ducati/)
Fingers crossed and toes crossed. Maybe teeth crossed. Body position crossed. I don't know what else to cross.
I know most of you are not fans of Casey but its offical, and its killing me, I personally liked the Aussie on the duke.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/casey+stoner+and+ducati+corse+part+ways (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/casey+stoner+and+ducati+corse+part+ways)
Quote from: The Don on July 09, 2010, 09:51:14 PM
I know most of you are not fans of Casey but its offical, and its killing me, I personally liked the Aussie on the duke.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/casey+stoner+and+ducati+corse+part+ways (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/casey+stoner+and+ducati+corse+part+ways)
derby ;D
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg720373#msg720373 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg720373#msg720373)
And more waiting for Vale stuff:
http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/news/in-evidenza/1252-rossi-ducati-alla-firma.html (http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/news/in-evidenza/1252-rossi-ducati-alla-firma.html)
In the meantime, I'm making t-shirts :)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs126.snc4/36642_445832934223_589624223_6063090_2312483_n.jpg)
If Rossi doesn't win right away on a duc (which is a real probability), will it be blamed on equipment or he hasn't healed completely?
mitt
It'll be blamed on equipment and getting used to the bike. Unless his shoulder problems last through the off-season (they could -- the injury sounds pretty bad). Personally, I don't see him winning right away. Lorenzo is just too good and has been on the same bike for too long. Riossi and Burgess will have some catch-up to do, which we'll see in the first half of the season
It seems like in the change from a screamer, Ducati sacrificed something at the pointy end to make their bike more rideable for anyone who name isn't Stoner. How that will affect Rossi is uncertain. In the 500cc era, talent could make up for an inferior bike. Not nearly as much now. Rossi wouldn't win on the 2010 zuke, for example.
Gives him 2 options for why he's not winning.
Rossi doesn't miss much.
Not surprisingly, Suppo says the Stoner move will be good for him (CS) because CS needs a change of environment. In other news, the sky the blue.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85186 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85186)
The real target for Rossi/Burgess will be 2012 in my opinion. The polished Yamaha is going to be tough to beat next year, but a change in the regulations will be a fresh start for everyone..... again. I wouldn't rule the man out next year though and I think Stoner is going to fly on the Honda.
everyone thought winning in 2004 was impossible. just sayin'.
Quote from: gm2 on July 12, 2010, 07:37:43 AM
everyone thought winning in 2004 was impossible. just sayin'.
It was a lot less about the bike back then.
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/rossi-to-make-comeback-announcement-on-wednesday/12634.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/rossi-to-make-comeback-announcement-on-wednesday/12634.html)
QuoteRossi to make comeback announcement on Wednesday
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 13, 2010, 08:05:55 AM
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/rossi-to-make-comeback-announcement-on-wednesday/12634.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/rossi-to-make-comeback-announcement-on-wednesday/12634.html)
That guy is a class act. Please oh please let hin join Ducati. If he does, I'm buying my tickets to Indy right now.
he's only announcing tomorrow whether or not he'll race this weekend. and it's not like if when he does go to ducati, it'll be in time for indy ;)
I would not go this year. I would buy ticket to see him in red next year.
http://motomatters.com/opinion/2010/07/13/wsbk_state_of_the_silly_season_dog_days.html (http://motomatters.com/opinion/2010/07/13/wsbk_state_of_the_silly_season_dog_days.html)
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-leaving-burgess-behind/ (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-leaving-burgess-behind/)
Reports are indicating that Valentino Rossi's much-expected move to Ducati might not include a spot for long-time crew chief Jeremy Burgess.
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 14, 2010, 08:12:13 AM
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-leaving-burgess-behind/ (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-leaving-burgess-behind/)
Reports are indicating that Valentino Rossi's much-expected move to Ducati might not include a spot for long-time crew chief Jeremy Burgess.
that would almost be bigger news than the move itself
Looks like he'll be racing this weekend
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/rossi+back+in+sachsenring (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/rossi+back+in+sachsenring)
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 14, 2010, 08:12:13 AM
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-leaving-burgess-behind/ (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-leaving-burgess-behind/)
Reports are indicating that Valentino Rossi's much-expected move to Ducati might not include a spot for long-time crew chief Jeremy Burgess.
Quote from: gm2 on July 14, 2010, 08:18:55 AM
that would almost be bigger news than the move itself
please oh please let JB stick around for spies...
Quote from: derby on July 14, 2010, 08:57:28 AM
please oh please let JB stick around for spies...
Please, oh please, let JB move to Ducati and straighten them out ;D
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 14, 2010, 09:11:53 AM
Please, oh please, let JB move to Ducati and straighten them out ;D
+1
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 14, 2010, 08:12:13 AM
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-leaving-burgess-behind/ (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-leaving-burgess-behind/)
Reports are indicating that Valentino Rossi's much-expected move to Ducati might not include a spot for long-time crew chief Jeremy Burgess.
I've wondered if Preziosis' ego was a bit large for him to allow JB to come and solve issues that are 'rider problems'.
Too bad really if it turns out to be the case.
Of course if I were Rossi it would be a deal breaker. It's not like he needs the money, and if he balks at coming it would put the ball into Fiat/Marlboro's court, and I'm pretty sure they want Rossi.
Maybe there is no such thing as loyalty in racing...I dunno.
I'm also an idiot and broke , so everyone should disregard me. [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on July 14, 2010, 12:13:02 PM
I've wondered if Preziosis' ego was a bit large for him to allow JB to come and solve issues that are 'rider problems'.
Also wonder if JB doesn't want to retire with Rossi in a couple years, and he didn't see any real benefit to leaving Yamaha...with The Ben coming in and all. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on July 14, 2010, 12:13:02 PM
I've wondered if Preziosis' ego was a bit large for him to allow JB to come and solve issues that are 'rider problems'.
well, i don't think burgess is really interested in throwing away a(nother) well-developed race platform to reinvent the wheel at ducati.
Quote from: derby on July 14, 2010, 01:55:55 PM
well, i don't think burgess is really interested in throwing away a(nother) well-developed race platform to reinvent the wheel at ducati.
Probably not...
but the Duc is not wooden wheeled by any means...
and is he ready to sit on the porch and drink....tea?
He's not that old. ;D
rossi announcement won't be until after Brno
Quote from: gm2 on July 15, 2010, 11:34:51 AM
rossi announcement won't be until after Brno
In the meantime, a guy can dream...
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs019.snc4/34294_448330839223_589624223_6123073_4039945_n.jpg)
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85397 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85397)
Burgess hints he will stay at Yamaha
make the beast with two backs...hope this doesn't throw it off.
Valentino Rossi to test Ducati GP10 at Valencia: gentlemen's agreement with Yamaha
http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/4830/valentino-rossi-to-test-ducati-gp10-at-valencia-gentlemens-agreement-with-yamaha (http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/4830/valentino-rossi-to-test-ducati-gp10-at-valencia-gentlemens-agreement-with-yamaha)
Why on earth would he do this unless he was switchin to Ducati?
Quote from: Rufus120 on July 20, 2010, 05:05:27 PM
Valentino Rossi to test Ducati GP10 at Valencia: gentlemen's agreement with Yamaha
http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/4830/valentino-rossi-to-test-ducati-gp10-at-valencia-gentlemens-agreement-with-yamaha (http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/4830/valentino-rossi-to-test-ducati-gp10-at-valencia-gentlemens-agreement-with-yamaha)
Why on earth would he do this unless he was switchin to Ducati?
[popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
Quote from: Rufus120 on July 20, 2010, 05:05:27 PM
Valentino Rossi to test Ducati GP10 at Valencia: gentlemen's agreement with Yamaha
http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/4830/valentino-rossi-to-test-ducati-gp10-at-valencia-gentlemens-agreement-with-yamaha (http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/4830/valentino-rossi-to-test-ducati-gp10-at-valencia-gentlemens-agreement-with-yamaha)
Why on earth would he do this unless he was switchin to Ducati?
valencia motogp is the final round. this is basically saying that yamaha is (allegedly) going to allow rossi to test the ducati prior to 2011.
note that "the Italian press is reporting," which is often times just as reliable as mcn.
Quote from: derby on July 20, 2010, 07:03:38 PM
note that "the Italian press is reporting," which is often times just as reliable as mcn.
or even less so. they often make shit up in order to try to make it happen.
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/21/whither_jb_the_mysterious_future_of_jere.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/21/whither_jb_the_mysterious_future_of_jere.html)
Quote from: gm2 on July 21, 2010, 08:15:27 AM
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/21/whither_jb_the_mysterious_future_of_jere.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/21/whither_jb_the_mysterious_future_of_jere.html)
I say fugg it...he is going to develop a Hayate Kawazuki to kick everyone's arse as ridden by Gary McCoy!!!
Quote from: zooom on July 21, 2010, 08:34:15 AM
I say fugg it...he is going to develop a Hayate Kawazuki to kick everyone's arse as ridden by Gary McCoy!!!
[clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap]
hmmm http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/22/andrea_dovizioso_to_tech_3_yamaha.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/22/andrea_dovizioso_to_tech_3_yamaha.html)
Dovi would be a loss, but considering that Honda would have 2 of the 4 aliens, he becomes expendable. Dovi would fit pretty well at Tech 3.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5goUW_HPBAX0GHZ4doqILnsDckihg (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5goUW_HPBAX0GHZ4doqILnsDckihg)
QuoteHayden criticises Stoner decision
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 22, 2010, 09:26:15 AM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5goUW_HPBAX0GHZ4doqILnsDckihg (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5goUW_HPBAX0GHZ4doqILnsDckihg)
he's just angling for his own job
I thought Dovi to Redbull factory Honda was pretty close to done, but there's chatter of an offer to him at Tech3:
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/22/andrea_dovizioso_to_tech_3_yamaha.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/22/andrea_dovizioso_to_tech_3_yamaha.html)
Quote from: Spidey on July 22, 2010, 11:38:32 AM
I thought Dovi to Redbull factory Honda was pretty close to done, but there's chatter of an offer to him at Tech3:
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/22/andrea_dovizioso_to_tech_3_yamaha.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/22/andrea_dovizioso_to_tech_3_yamaha.html)
derby'd
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg730019#msg730019 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg730019#msg730019)
Quote from: zooom on July 22, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
derby'd
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg730019#msg730019 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg730019#msg730019)
Wow, and from only a coupla posts up. The dumb is strong with me today.
Veruca Salt.
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/29/karel_abraham_to_ride_6th_ducati_in_moto.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/29/karel_abraham_to_ride_6th_ducati_in_moto.html)
Man, I wish my daddy would buy me a GP ride.
Quote from: Spidey on July 29, 2010, 08:07:20 AM
Veruca Salt.
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/29/karel_abraham_to_ride_6th_ducati_in_moto.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/29/karel_abraham_to_ride_6th_ducati_in_moto.html)
Man, I wish my daddy would buy me a GP ride.
...and owned a world class track! WTF
Damn, kids got resources. Is he any good?
He's hasn't been any good yet. But Esparaigo was also nobody until he jumped up to the GP bikes, where--despite his crashiness--he's shown himself to be pretty fast.
Wikipedia has a chart of his 125/250/moto2 results: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karel_Abrah%C3%A1m (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karel_Abrah%C3%A1m)
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-noyes-notebook-decision-day-coming/ (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-noyes-notebook-decision-day-coming/)
[popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
That's awfully nice of Mr Abraham, but to be honest, Karel isn't particularly bad either. He has shown promise in Moto2 with some pretty decent scraps and solid passing
Per the article he was supposedly decent on the GP10 in Mugello.
This is not really news, but Fiat has confirmed what we already know -- that Ben Spies will step up to the factory ride if Rossi leaves.
IF
why wont they just tell us?
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 29, 2010, 08:53:35 AM
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-noyes-notebook-decision-day-coming/ (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-noyes-notebook-decision-day-coming/)
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Americans Nicky Hayden and Ben Spies are both free agents for 2011huh? ben's got a yamaha contract through 2011.
and that's a really great article otherwise. as per usual for Dennis.
Edwards to Ducati WSBK would be great IMO. [thumbsup] Hopefully he could win.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/July/jul3010-edwards-keen-on-ducati-wsb-deal/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/July/jul3010-edwards-keen-on-ducati-wsb-deal/)
[thumbsup]
OTOH, just the other day Herve made noises about keeping Edwards at Tech 3 for another year. I'd like to see him back in WSBK (and would love to see Toseland get over the bumps of this season). They gotta do something about those air restrictions on the Ducs though. And force Aprilia to actually homologate their bike, dammit. I'll be glad to see Haga gone from Ducati. He's just become sad, and it bums me out. He's a broken man.
Quote from: Spidey on July 30, 2010, 06:57:31 AM
OTOH, just the other day Herve made noises about keeping Edwards at Tech 3 for another year. I'd like to see him back in WSBK (and would love to see Toseland get over the bumps of this season). They gotta do something about those air restrictions on the Ducs though. And force Aprilia to actually homologate their bike, dammit. I'll be glad to see Haga gone from Ducati. He's just become sad, and it bums me out. He's a broken man.
I'm not sure Herve will have a choice. Sounds like Edwards is just sick of being mid-pack.
Hopefully they do something about the Ducs in WSBK, but honestly, I think they can win either way. Checa was flat out dominant at Miller...with it's long straight and all and giving up 6-8 mph. He would have crushed everyone both races had his bike not crapped out on him. It seems like the Duc should still be able to win.
Prediction: Spies on a factory GP ride will finish in the top 3 in 2011. I'd bet even money he could win it all.
And I rooted for Mladin all those years.
I wonder if the holdup on Rossi/ Ducati is him waiting to ride the beast? Maybe he'll say screw it, this thing is a beast and stay at Yamaha?
Rossi said at a press conference it was too early to announce a factory change at Laguna, and said perhaps a better time would be Brno. Think that still stands? Because that did come before the Yamaha allowing him to ride the Duc at Valencia news.
Quote from: NoisyDante on July 30, 2010, 12:38:47 PM
Because that did come before the Yamaha allowing him to ride the Duc at Valencia news.
that 'allowance' is very circumstantial
No surprise here, but in WSBK, Biaggi is staying at Aprilia through 2012.
http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/162177/1/biaggi_to_stay_with_aprilia_until_2012.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/162177/1/biaggi_to_stay_with_aprilia_until_2012.html)
i wonder how far into their 40s biaggi, corser, etc will go
[evil] ;D [thumbsup] [moto] [drink] [beer] [wine] [clap] [bacon] [bow_down] [drool]
Not that we didn't know it was going to happen, but f*ck yeah!
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-ceo-confirms-valentino-rossi/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-ceo-confirms-valentino-rossi/)
http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_news/first_looks_articles/10q3/rossi_to_ducati_in_2011_confirmed (http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_news/first_looks_articles/10q3/rossi_to_ducati_in_2011_confirmed)!_plus_inside_the_new_mega-monster_-_first_look/ducati_project_0803-_new_ducati_project_motorcycle_page_2
“Nicky is a wonderful person and a great rider. This year, he greatly contributed to improving our Desmosedici racer. Next year, he and Valentino will hone the bike to its ultimate winning potential.â€
What you hear is the sound of 1 million Italians spontaneously orgasming.
[clap] [clap] [clap]
Quote from: zenjim on August 03, 2010, 08:56:46 PM
“Nicky is a wonderful person and a great rider. This year, he greatly contributed to improving our Desmosedici racer. Next year, he and Valentino will hone the bike to its ultimate winning potential.â€
What you hear is the sound of 1 million Italians spontaneously orgasming.
[clap] [clap] [clap]
[clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap]
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs019.snc4/34294_448330839223_589624223_6123073_4039945_n.jpg)
Still no official press release.
So what are the odds that Rossi will be pissed about this unofficial announcement by Ducati, and it makes the deal go south? :o
It's happened in baseball before. ;)
If it's signed, then Yamaha is the only one that would be pissed, since it's a "gentleman's agreement" between Ducati and Yamaha. Rossi probably doesn't give a make the beast with two backs.
ducati denies it (for now): http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/04/and_it_s_off_again_ducati_officially_den.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/04/and_it_s_off_again_ducati_officially_den.html)
This is comical. [laugh]
Meanwhile, MCN has been reporting the move as fact for the last few weeks...as well as Spies jump to the factory team to take his place.
MCN is the National Enquirer of motorcycles. and yamaha has actually acknowledged that if he goes ben moves up.. no surprise there.
I just read in a local bike magazine that Rossi will not be testing next years M1, this year.
Read into that what you will. ???
:P
Quote from: Stinky Wizzleteats on August 04, 2010, 12:36:49 PM
I just read in a local bike magazine that Rossi will not be testing next years M1, this year.
...unless he has a signed contract to ride for yamaha in 2011.
common sense, really.
Quote from: derby on August 04, 2010, 12:46:16 PM
...unless he has a signed contract to ride for yamaha in 2011.
common sense, really.
1+1=32
That's what I was gonna write but it was too obvious. [cheeky]
Can't believe no one has photo-shopped a Ducati red 46 yet!
Spies - even money to win on the Fiat Yamaha?
Quote from: zenjim on August 05, 2010, 05:38:03 AM
Can't believe no one has photo-shopped a Ducati red 46 yet!
Been done a million times over the past several years...
(http://motomexico.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/RossiDucati02.jpg)
(http://www.flamingo-motortours.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/rossi-ducati-2.jpg)
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Valentino-Rossi-signs-Ducati-MotoGP-560x418.jpg)
(http://www.todoterrenotv.com.ar/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/85e36_valentino_rossi_ducati_2011.jpg)
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/204333/images/scoopino.jpg)
Including here:
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs019.snc4/34294_448330839223_589624223_6123073_4039945_n.jpg)
Cal to Tech 3.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162241/1/tech_3_cal_crutchlow_is_the_favourite.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162241/1/tech_3_cal_crutchlow_is_the_favourite.html)
Frankly, it would be a better move for him in 2012, but you gotta take the chance when and if you get it. His stock might not be as high next year and there might not be an open seat. So if it's there for 2011, take it.
He's gonna have a hard first year coming to grips with the bike, particularly with his riding style. And then it's gonna be all-new for 2012. That said, I hope it works out for him if he gets the ride. He's a fun, brash character and I'd love to see him the GP paddock. And Dorna will finally get a Brit back in the series.
That shot at Elias from Herve was a bit much.
yay, lucy on the GP grid! ;D
Lucy's ah-aight, but she doesn't stack up the parade of girlfriends/wives of the Spanish and Italian riders. And the Austalian one. ;D
i got a thing for the pixie-alt-platinum stuff
Quote from: gm2 on August 09, 2010, 08:08:05 AM
i got a thing for the pixie-alt-platinum stuff
[thumbsup]
Great summary of the status of silly season with the GP factory teams:
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/10/motogp_2011_silly_season_part_1_the_fact.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/10/motogp_2011_silly_season_part_1_the_fact.html)
Quote from: Spidey on August 10, 2010, 07:05:07 AM
Great summary of the status of silly season with the GP factory teams:
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/10/motogp_2011_silly_season_part_1_the_fact.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/10/motogp_2011_silly_season_part_1_the_fact.html)
good reading [thumbsup]
mitt
Part 2 -- the satellite teams and MotoGP departures:
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/11/motogp_2011_silly_season_part_2_satellit.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/11/motogp_2011_silly_season_part_2_satellit.html)
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162392/1/valentino_rossi_to_announce_future_on_sunday.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162392/1/valentino_rossi_to_announce_future_on_sunday.html)
Quote from: gm2 on August 12, 2010, 11:51:09 AM
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162392/1/valentino_rossi_to_announce_future_on_sunday.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162392/1/valentino_rossi_to_announce_future_on_sunday.html)
Perfect picture on that article:
(http://pix.crash.net/motorsport/360/PA793323.jpg)
...less than an hour
Quote from: gm2 on August 15, 2010, 05:13:14 AM
...less than an hour
according to the motogp broadcasters, its a done deal. ;D
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Fiat+Yamaha+announcement (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Fiat+Yamaha+announcement)
anyone know what happened to LeBron?
Quote from: desmoquattro on August 15, 2010, 07:16:53 AM
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Fiat+Yamaha+announcement (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Fiat+Yamaha+announcement)
wonder where he's going?
some more meat in this article:
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162441/1/official_valentino_rossi_to_leave_yamaha.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162441/1/official_valentino_rossi_to_leave_yamaha.html)
i'm still waiting to see what happens to burgess.
I'll be seriously shocked if Burgess doesn't come with him.
My concern is whether Rossi (and Burgess) will stick around the few years needed to really develop the bike properly or will Rossi retire in 2 years.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162442/1/ducati_confirms_valentino_rossi.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162442/1/ducati_confirms_valentino_rossi.html)
It's official
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on August 15, 2010, 08:05:46 AM
I'll be seriously shocked if Burgess doesn't come with him.
<snip>
I don't think he will.
We'll see.
I've been more interested in Burgess' decision than Vale's ( since we've known that part for months ). I hope he goes, but I'd say its 50/50.
I think Burgess might sit it out for a year (or even retirement), it's closer to home for the guy with the greying hair....
As for Rossi.....
"Many things have changed since that far-off time in 2004, but especially ‘she', my M1, has changed. At that time she was a poor middle-grid position MotoGP bike, derided by most of the riders and the MotoGP workers. Now, after having helped her to grow and improve, you can see her smiling in her garage, courted and admired, treated as the ‘top of the class'.â€
"The list of the people that made this transformation possible is very long, but I would like to thank anyway Masao Furusawa, Masahiko Nakajima and ‘my' Hiroya Atsumi, as representatives of all the engineers that worked hard to change the face of our M1. Then Jeremy Burgess and all my guys in the garage, who took care of her with love on all the tracks of the world and also all the men and women that have worked in the Yamaha team during these years.â€
"Now the moment has come to look for new challenges; my work here at Yamaha is finished. Unfortunately even the most beautiful love stories finish, but they leave a lot of wonderful memories, like when my M1 and I kissed for the first time on the grass at Welkom, when she looked straight in my eyes and told me ‘I love you!'"
YAYY!!!! [clap]
I never thought it would happen. Apparently there's been a lot of changes and growth from both Vale and Ducati since they first courted back in 2003.
Quote from: superjohn on August 15, 2010, 09:38:38 AM
YAYY!!!! [clap]
I never thought it would happen. Apparently there's been a lot of changes and growth from both Vale and Ducati since they first courted back in 2003.
for one, the bike wasn't a championship-winner in 2003...
Quote from: derby on August 15, 2010, 09:44:15 AM
for one, the bike wasn't a championship-winner in 2003...
That, and Vale talks about the decision in his autobiography. Ducati at the time apparently had a very technical, almost clinical approach that was reminiscent of Honda's approach, whereas Yamaha gave equal value to rider input and some of the intangibles that Rossi valued more. You get the impression that the attitude was that if the engineers thought the bike was great but wasn't winning, the blame would be placed on the rider and the rider would be pushed before the bike was changed.
Quote from: superjohn on August 15, 2010, 09:51:51 AM
You get the impression that the attitude was that if the engineers thought the bike was great but wasn't winning, the blame would be placed on the rider and the rider would be pushed before the bike was changed.
i would say that line of thinking continued through much of last season. bayliss' gp9 test was probably where it really changed.
Quote from: superjohn on August 15, 2010, 09:38:38 AM
I never thought it would happen.
oh so
you're the one! [cheeky]
My eyes aren't so good anymore...what's that printed on the other side of the paper?
Quote from: OT on August 15, 2010, 04:19:49 PM
My eyes aren't so good anymore...what's that printed on the other side of the paper?
yamaha press release?
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/rossi+on+the+ducati+future (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/rossi+on+the+ducati+future)
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/jarvis+on+yamaha+factory+line+up+2011 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/jarvis+on+yamaha+factory+line+up+2011)
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/16/valentino_rossi_ducati_was_not_about_mon.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/16/valentino_rossi_ducati_was_not_about_mon.html)
Quote from: gm2 on August 16, 2010, 10:46:41 AM
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/16/valentino_rossi_ducati_was_not_about_mon.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/16/valentino_rossi_ducati_was_not_about_mon.html)
QuoteVR: Is good. Is a good feeling, and especially because I avoid all the people in Italy from the man who sells the newspaper to the people who make the coffee who say "Why you not go to Ducati? When you go to Ducati?" So this is more easy [laughs].
Classic :)
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85996 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85996)
Quote from: gm2 on August 18, 2010, 02:43:55 PM
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85996 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85996)
[clap]
Quote"I can feel we will have a good relationship with Ben," he said. "Perhaps we won't be best friends, but there won't be a wall in the garage and we won't keep our telemetries secret."
(http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/leno/1/DSC01744.jpg)
guess we'll see how long that kind of relationship lasts....once Ben starts regularly pipping into the front row regularly.
masao says:
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162510/2/masao_furusawa_rossi_ducati_and_retirement.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162510/2/masao_furusawa_rossi_ducati_and_retirement.html)
Quote from: gm2 on August 16, 2010, 10:43:03 AM
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/jarvis+on+yamaha+factory+line+up+2011 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/jarvis+on+yamaha+factory+line+up+2011)
"You must be subscribed...."
Please stop teasing those of us w/o MotoGp subs [bang]
Based on the text (and Rossi's history), it's probably not wise for Yamaha to piss him off by denying him the desmo ride at Valencia...what do you think?
Quote from: derby on August 18, 2010, 03:11:04 PM
[clap]
?
Quote from: OT on August 19, 2010, 08:33:36 AM
"You must be subscribed...."
Please stop teasing those of us w/o MotoGp subs [bang]
Based on the text (and Rossi's history), it's probably not wise for Yamaha to piss him off by denying him the desmo ride at Valencia...what do you think?
?
<snip>
Sorry Garrett.
Quote from: gm2 on August 19, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
Jarvis was speaking at the official MotoGP test at Brno on Monday where Rossi tested a new Yamaha engine upgrade, and in a separate interview the Italian rider said he hoped to be able to ride the Ducati for the first time at the end-of-season Valencia test. Masao Furusawa, Executive Officer of Engineering Operations at Yamaha, indicated however that this was unlikely due to contractual agreements.[/i]
I understand its a contract, but for everything Yamaha gained from Rossi, that's pretty weak.
Quote from: Jester on August 19, 2010, 11:25:15 AM
I understand its a contract, but for everything Yamaha gained from Rossi, that's pretty weak.
and they know that any further contractual obligations Rossi is required to fulfill, he will without a problem...and Rossi could stir a virtual shitstorm in the media if he chose...he was rather quiet when Honda said no to him about testing the M1 at the end of 2003 and so he made it a mission to make a point of blacking Honda in the eye at every turn that year.
Quote from: gm2 on August 19, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
<snip>
We really can't do that.
It is piracy.
Sorry.
no worries.. although at first i did think you were kidding :)
silly thing is, the text is available w/o logging in... homeslice was complaining about not being able to watch the video.
Quote from: gm2 on August 19, 2010, 03:21:05 PM
no worries.. although at first i did think you were kidding :)
I wish I was.
http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202466627090 (http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202466627090)
Chances are we'll never meet him, but I don't want to take chances.
Quote from: ducpainter on August 20, 2010, 01:47:14 AM
I wish I was.
http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202466627090 (http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202466627090)
Chances are we'll never meet him, but I don't want to take chances.
f that guy.
=)
Quote from: ducpainter on August 20, 2010, 01:47:14 AM
I wish I was.
http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202466627090 (http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202466627090)
Chances are we'll never meet him, but I don't want to take chances.
as long as we don't discuss politics...we should be okay...but if someone from here does meet him...you want him popped in the mouth or whacked?....LOL...J/K
Pretty good interview transcript, journalists Q&A with Gabriele del Torchio and Filippo Preziosi.
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=41661 (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=41661)
Good answers to some silly questions. [laugh]
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162718/1/melandri_99_for_bmw_world_superbike_switch.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162718/1/melandri_99_for_bmw_world_superbike_switch.html)
the best tidbit there is this ( IMHO ) ...
Quote....Should Melandri indeed leave San Carlo Honda Gresini at the end of the year, his place could be taken by factory Honda rider Andrea Dovizioso, who could be pushed out of the Repsol team by Casey Stoner's arrival unless backing for a third bike can be found....
seems the previous flying rumors of a 3 bike factory squad may be in serious question...
^^
That's been known for quite some time.
Looks like Dovi's going to get the standard Honda treatment.
Quote from: Speeddog on August 26, 2010, 02:10:53 PM
Looks like Dovi's going to get the standard Honda treatment.
Yes, but Repsol is a lubricant at least.
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on August 26, 2010, 02:18:39 PM
Yes, but Repsol is a lubricant at least.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/26/spies_and_hayden_2011_contracts_to_be_co.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/08/26/spies_and_hayden_2011_contracts_to_be_co.html)
http://www.roadracerx.com/uncategorized/spies-confirmed-for-factory-yamaha/ (http://www.roadracerx.com/uncategorized/spies-confirmed-for-factory-yamaha/)
Ducati factory team out of WSBK in 2011. Now that is quite silly, but in a way smart. The new bike better be crazy fast or they will be huge backlash.
Hayden has 2 more years at Ducati. [beer]
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=41756 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=41756)
Quote from: Speeddog on August 28, 2010, 03:46:37 PM
Hayden has 2 more years at Ducati. [beer]
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=41756 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=41756)
You know, I read that article and I can just hear Nicky's trembly Kentucky drawl behind those words. I think he and Rossi will make a good pairing.
Quote from: Jester on August 28, 2010, 06:39:23 PM
You know, I read that article and I can just hear Nicky's trembly Kentucky drawl behind those words. I think he and Rossi will make a good pairing.
+1 he's has always been a good teammate
an update...
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/01/2011_silly_season_update_who_s_confirmed.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/01/2011_silly_season_update_who_s_confirmed.html)
the one that makes me go "HUH??" is the Tony Elias to Rizla Suzuki....that just wreakes of WTF?!?!?!
Are the rumors that Suzuki will drop out of MotoGP in 2011 or 2012?
Quote from: duccarlos on September 01, 2010, 05:48:29 AM
Are the rumors that Suzuki will drop out of MotoGP in 2011 or 2012?
2012. I *think* they're under contract with Dorna through 2011. But as you can tell from the dogshit condition of their bikes, they're only half-heartedly living up to their contractual obligations.
At least by giving them 9 engines rather than the 6 that everyone else is using, the Suzukis weren't dead last this part weekend. And both of them didn't crash this time either.
This may have been posted elsewhere, but . . . .
Melandri to Yamaha WSBK
Crutchlow confirmed to Tech 3
Good for Melandri. He's a good rider that has been stuck on bad bikes.
cal to tech 3 for 2 years, even. nice.
rossi/jarvis/yamaha.. blah blah: http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100909jarvis.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100909jarvis.htm)
Eugene Laverty confirmed to Yamaha WSBK...Toseland sits @ home next year?
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100910b.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100910b.htm)
Quote from: bdfinally on September 10, 2010, 06:35:08 AM
Toseland sits @ home next year?
No way. Even with the up-n-down of the last three years, he's still way too good.
Neukirchner is gonna be gone from Ten Kate, and it makes sense that JT would land there.
Quote from: bdfinally on September 10, 2010, 06:35:08 AM
Eugene Laverty confirmed to Yamaha WSBK
w00t! well deserved!
Quote from: Spidey on September 10, 2010, 07:20:53 AM
No way. Even with the up-n-down of the last three years, he's still way too good.
Neukirchner is gonna be gone from Ten Kate, and it makes sense that JT would land there.
exactly. i bet that's already done.
Quote from: bdfinally on September 10, 2010, 06:35:08 AM
Toseland sits @ home next year?
I'm sure he could find a ride in Moto2. [coffee]
Quote from: Speeddog on September 10, 2010, 08:43:48 AM
I'm sure he could find a ride in Moto2. [coffee]
...or on a Suzuki in MotoGP :)
Rossi to have shoulder surgery:
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2010/09/15/rossi-to-have-shoulder-surgery (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2010/09/15/rossi-to-have-shoulder-surgery)
Quote from: desmoquattro on September 15, 2010, 06:11:33 AM
Rossi to have shoulder surgery:
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2010/09/15/rossi-to-have-shoulder-surgery (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2010/09/15/rossi-to-have-shoulder-surgery)
I think I called this move a while back. Now we'll see if he recovers completely for the start of 2011.
Perhaps Bautista will be the only MotoGP Suzuki rider in '11:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100915suuzkiwsbk.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100915suuzkiwsbk.htm)
Which would mean that we are unlikely to see Elias in the GP paddock.
BTW, no comments on Rea staying with Ten Kate? They better get that fookin' bike to work next year. I thought he was gonna be a front-runner this year. But then again, I forgot that Aprilia is allowed to run a GP bike.
Quote from: Spidey on September 15, 2010, 01:04:19 PM
Which would mean that we are unlikely to see Elias in the GP paddock.
BTW, no comments on Rea staying with Ten Kate? They better get that fookin' bike to work next year. I thought he was gonna be a front-runner this year. But then again, I forgot that Aprilia is allowed to run a GP bike.
well...with the kybosh put on a factory Ducati team...I think the idea of staying with the Ten Kate/Buzz Lightyear Honda is probably alot better than most for Rea...it isn't the ideal, but he has a secure job for sure, and it'll be fun to see him outshine Toseland who'll be in the other seat in the paddock right beside him...as far as the Ape...the modifcation of the rules for 2011 will surely change the Priller's dominance a bit I think...that paired with the idea that maybe some development work might get done on the CBR and I think I read something yesterday that said Batta was going to bat at Suzuki to get some help and whatnot for to develop the GSXR...
Quote from: zooom on September 16, 2010, 02:11:19 AM
and I think I read something yesterday that said Batta was going to bat at Suzuki to get some help and whatnot for to develop the GSXR...
that article sounded more like him trying to make sure they get at least
some sort of factory support. i suspect he suspects that japan may leave him hanging.
http://www.roadracerx.com/breaking-news/hrc-officially-extends-pedrosas-contract-through-2012-pic/ (http://www.roadracerx.com/breaking-news/hrc-officially-extends-pedrosas-contract-through-2012-pic/)
pedro stays at HRC. shocking, i know.
Quote from: gm2 on September 16, 2010, 08:00:51 AM
http://www.roadracerx.com/breaking-news/hrc-officially-extends-pedrosas-contract-through-2012-pic/ (http://www.roadracerx.com/breaking-news/hrc-officially-extends-pedrosas-contract-through-2012-pic/)
pedro stays at HRC. shocking, i know.
No Way!!!
Quote from: gm2 on September 16, 2010, 07:59:10 AM
that article sounded more like him trying to make sure they get at least some sort of factory support. i suspect he suspects that japan may leave him hanging.
that is what I was thinking...but if they want him to run the GP team, like I read, then he is for sure going to lever something for his WSBK team....it'd be dumb for him not to.
transcript from a crutchlow interview.. some really good stuff
http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100916crutchlow.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100916crutchlow.htm)
Quote from: gm2 on September 16, 2010, 09:38:05 AM
transcript from a crutchlow interview.. some really good stuff
http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100916crutchlow.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100916crutchlow.htm)
I just finished it too....and I LOVED this...
Quote....Jules Cisek: Yeah, I think he said a couple of times that he might like to give it a try. And then, the follow-up to the whole preparations for the MotoGP, have you talked to James Toseland about it? Are you guys concentrating mostly on this season still or have you pegged him for maybe some advice?
Cal Crutchlow: No, I don't really speak to James about that and I wouldn't really speak to him about it. I think I'd speak to someone who knows GP, and that will probably be Colin if Colin stays a teammate next year. It will be Colin or it will be Ben....
burgess confirmed to ducati with rossi... should be hit the moto press soon.
Quote from: derby on September 18, 2010, 07:34:23 AM
burgess confirmed to ducati with rossi... should be hit the moto press soon.
W00t!
[beer] [beer] [beer] [beer]
Good to see Colin Edwards sticking around the MotoGP paddock for another year!
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42021 (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42021)
Crutchlow is lucky to have him around for advice and mentoring.
Quote from: rc51 on September 19, 2010, 08:47:42 AM
Good to see Colin Edwards sticking around the MotoGP paddock for another year!
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42021 (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42021)
Crutchlow is lucky to have him around for advice and mentoring.
The way Colin is riding, he may not be someone I'd ask for advice. I'm really surprised they are bringing him back considering he seems to have thrown in the towel on quite a few occasions
Quote from: Jester on September 19, 2010, 09:18:41 AM
The way Colin is riding, he may not be someone I'd ask for advice. I'm really surprised they are bringing him back considering he seems to have thrown in the towel on quite a few occasions
he's more or less a known quantity and will provide some continuity to the team as a whole with cal coming on... put two newbies on the team and, unless you're dominating, you really don't know where you stand.
I agree. Who knows, maybe they gave him a pay cut to reduce costs and with no Ducati factory WSBK rides to look forward to he might as well take the Tech 3 ride and help Cal. He may not be having a great year but it's not like he doesn't know his way around MotoGP. Everybody has a funky year occasionaly. Hayden had one last year. Shit Rossi's having one this year. Then again a funky year for Rossi would be the season of a lifetime for others! [laugh]
Quote from: rc51 on September 19, 2010, 08:47:42 AM
Good to see Colin Edwards sticking around the MotoGP paddock for another year!
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42021 (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42021)
Crutchlow is lucky to have him around for advice and mentoring.
I like how the header for the story on superbikeplanet has a nice jab at Toseland about this very story...I believe it goes something like " and Toseland is the "A" rider..."
Quote from: rc51 on September 19, 2010, 10:08:51 AM
I agree. Who knows, maybe they gave him a pay cut to reduce costs and with no Ducati factory WSBK rides to look forward to he might as well take the Tech 3 ride and help Cal. He may not be having a great year but it's not like he doesn't know his way around MotoGP. Everybody has a funky year occasionaly. Hayden had one last year. Shit Rossi's having one this year. Then again a funky year for Rossi would be the season of a lifetime for others! [laugh]
i'm pretty sure he's been the "affordable" rider on the team for a few years.
Quote from: derby on September 18, 2010, 07:34:23 AM
burgess confirmed to ducati with rossi... should be hit the moto press soon.
Moto press has it:
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/20/team_musical_chairs_rossi_s_crew_go_to_d.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/20/team_musical_chairs_rossi_s_crew_go_to_d.html)
Quote from: Speeddog on September 20, 2010, 09:46:32 AM
Moto press has it:
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/20/team_musical_chairs_rossi_s_crew_go_to_d.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/20/team_musical_chairs_rossi_s_crew_go_to_d.html)
I read that too...and while Dave Emmitt is a good reporter and all..the way it reads is not as if it is official...just an updated reporting of the rumors and from whence they came and all...I await the press release from Jeremy himself...THAT to me would make it official
not sure if this was already covered.. evidently Dovi will get the factory Honda his contract says he is due, only his will be in potato chip colors. like marco's. 4 factory hondas in '11, still 2 repsols.
Quote from: gm2 on September 21, 2010, 12:08:57 PM
not sure if this was already covered.. evidently Dovi will get the factory Honda his contract says he is due, only his will be in potato chip colors. like marco's. 4 factory hondas in '11, still 2 repsols.
They were talking on Eurosport that his contract also says...on a factory team...incorrect or did HRC change their minds?
Quote from: humorless dp on September 21, 2010, 12:38:05 PM
They were talking on Eurosport that his contract also says...on a factory team...incorrect or did HRC change their minds?
i think that's wrong. i think the contract says that as long as he was 5th or better at the mid-point of the season he was guaranteed factory
support.. or some such wording. it definitely said 'factory' but not exactly 'factory team'.. which is why there's been all this debate/talk of a third repsol-red bull bike, etc.
ultimately i think HRC wrote the contract in their favor (duh).. the word factory was in there so dovi thought he was covered when he signed it.. then the opportunity for a stoner/pedro repsol team came up. i think dovi instantly got a gresini bike the day stoner signed. they just didn't want to come out and say it right away.. melandri had to go first, pedro had to sign, etc
or maybe it says team but HRC's definition of team is factory machinery, factory payroll.
Quote from: gm2 on September 21, 2010, 12:53:33 PM
i think that's wrong. i think the contract says that as long as he was 5th or better at the mid-point of the season he was guaranteed factory support.. or some such wording. it definitely said 'factory' but not exactly 'factory team'.. which is why there's been all this debate/talk of a third repsol-red bull bike, etc.
ultimately i think HRC wrote the contract in their favor (duh).. the word factory was in there so dovi thought he was covered when he signed it.. then the opportunity for a stoner/pedro repsol team came up. i think dovi instantly got a gresini bike the day stoner signed. they just didn't want to come out and say it right away.. melandri had to go first, pedro had to sign, etc
or maybe it says team but HRC's definition of team is factory machinery, factory payroll.
They were paraphrasing his manager having said the contract specifically said team, but HRCs definition might be as you say.
I'll let the lawyers sort it out.
Personally I think Dovi can succeed if he doesn't get caught up in the terminology...I doubt he gets the same resources as Pedrobot now.
i bet it didn't say "Repsol"
Quote from: gm2 on September 21, 2010, 01:00:53 PM
i bet it didn't say "Repsol"
You could very well be right. [laugh]
Quote from: rc51 on September 19, 2010, 08:47:42 AM
Good to see Colin Edwards sticking around the MotoGP paddock for another year!
Crutchlow is lucky to have him around for advice and mentoring.
Just look at what Colin did for the Ben...... [thumbsup]
Quote from: OT on September 21, 2010, 04:43:46 PM
Just look at what Colin did for the Ben...... [thumbsup]
Mancation WHAT?....
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/22/bmw_retains_corser_in_wsbk_haslam_and_to.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/22/bmw_retains_corser_in_wsbk_haslam_and_to.html)
Corser in again for BMW...
Xaus likely out...Toseland and Haslam rumored to be seated alongside Corser in the paddock...
BTW....for those that haven't seen it...
RE: Xaus
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/09/ruben-xaus-qualifies-for-own-dictionary-definition/ (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/09/ruben-xaus-qualifies-for-own-dictionary-definition/)
haga to (factory supported) aprilia:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/World-Superbikes/2010/September/25sep-wsb-hag-to-aprilia/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/World-Superbikes/2010/September/25sep-wsb-hag-to-aprilia/)
Quote from: derby on September 25, 2010, 08:42:32 AM
haga to (factory supported) aprilia:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/World-Superbikes/2010/September/25sep-wsb-hag-to-aprilia/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/World-Superbikes/2010/September/25sep-wsb-hag-to-aprilia/)
Great news! Maybe Haga can get motivated and give us one more shot at a championship run.
I'm liking that news too! I'd love to see a new spark in Nori, especially after this up and down year. I think he's still got it in him. [thumbsup]
Checa confirmed for another year at Althea Ducati...Byrne out!
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100926b.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100926b.htm)
Leon Haslam released from obligations due to uncertainty
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100927a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100927a.htm)
Quote from: zooom on September 27, 2010, 03:54:16 AM
Leon Haslam released from obligations due to uncertainty
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100927a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100927a.htm)
You've got to wonder what's going on at Suzuki, first they lose Ben Spies and now Leon Haslam, both great prospects for the future of their bikes. It's almost as if they aren't interested in racing anymore.
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/rossi-ducati-switch-engine-related/14301.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/rossi-ducati-switch-engine-related/14301.html)
Honda and Ducati engines set to trump Yamaha in 2011, says Gardner
Pocket Rocket Haslam officially on the Beemer next year
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/28/yet_another_worst_kept_secret_revealed_h.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/28/yet_another_worst_kept_secret_revealed_h.html)
Quote from: tufty on September 28, 2010, 02:28:33 AM
You've got to wonder what's going on at Suzuki, first they lose Ben Spies and now Leon Haslam, both great prospects for the future of their bikes. It's almost as if they aren't interested in racing anymore.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100928a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100928a.htm)
I love the header....
Quote from: zooom on September 28, 2010, 05:35:14 AM
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100928a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100928a.htm)
I love the header....
Quote"Um, hey Michel...I heard you need a ride."
Or Toseland....if Ten Kate can come up with the funds for the 2nd bike and sponsorship...
but I bet Batta can get Max N for cheap!!!!...LOL
Haslam will be fine at BMW. Absolutely nothing against Alstare but obviously there are a couple of loose screws at Suzook. It's called a phone, pick it up and use it!!! [bang] You're right. Are they even interested in racing any more? ??? :P At least BMW wants to race and actually have some results.
whoever gets that one bike better not be very crashy...
Quote from: tufty on September 28, 2010, 02:28:33 AM
You've got to wonder what's going on at Suzuki, first they lose Ben Spies and now Leon Haslam, both great prospects for the future of their bikes. It's almost as if they aren't interested in racing anymore.
they didn't really lose ben, they never had him/chose not to. (pretty big distinction between between Yosh USA and Suzuki Japan)
Quote from: gm2 on September 28, 2010, 08:23:44 AM
whoever gets that one bike better not be very crashy...
so you arer saying that they shouldn't hire Xaus right?
Quote from: zooom on September 28, 2010, 08:44:46 AM
so you arer saying that they shouldn't hire Xaus right?
Xaus, de Puniet, Hopkins, de Angelis, Kallio...
Do they mean *one* bike?
Or just a one rider team?
All WSBK riders do the 2 bikes method, yes?
i read that as 1 rider. presumably that rider still has 2.5 bikes.
Quote from: gm2 on September 28, 2010, 09:57:58 AM
i read that as 1 rider. presumably that rider still has 2.5 bikes.
OK, yeah, that's what I thought.
I'm sure spare parts are going to be hard to come by....
How does that work, anyway?
Are there a couple spare chassis and such included in the typical contract with the factory?
And if your rider wades through that before season end it's on the team to buy more?
Quote from: Speeddog on September 28, 2010, 10:01:01 AM
And if your rider wades through that before season end it's on the team to buy more?
buy or make if they have access or the capability....
No rumors about Haga yet?
Quote from: humorless dp on September 28, 2010, 12:55:23 PM
No rumors about Haga yet?
nope, no rumors....
Quote from: derby on September 25, 2010, 08:42:32 AM
haga to (factory supported) aprilia:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/World-Superbikes/2010/September/25sep-wsb-hag-to-aprilia/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/World-Superbikes/2010/September/25sep-wsb-hag-to-aprilia/)
;D
Quote from: derby on September 28, 2010, 12:56:42 PM
nope, no rumors....
;D
Doh... [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
I'm a little slow on the uptake. ;D
okay...so that leaves open on the table...Fabrizio, Xaus, Toseland, Max N., and whom else?...
Batta has a seat open...seems if Ten Kate gets sponsorship sorted out he might have a 2nd seat...
Quote from: zooom on September 29, 2010, 02:22:26 AM
Batta has a seat open...
you're assuming sylvain doesn't get it? or did he get a ride somewhere that i haven't paid attention to
i really hope that jt and ten kate get back together
and that he can ride like it's 2007.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100929edse.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100929edse.htm)
Fabrizio o ride the Alstare Suzuki for Batta?!?!?!!?!
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/29/bother_at_bmw_tardozzi_fired_mechanics_t.htm (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/29/bother_at_bmw_tardozzi_fired_mechanics_t.htm)
Oops, that's not good. Tardozzi fired? Banned from the BMW pit at Magny Cour? Letting all non-German crew members on the team go? This has got Third Reich deja vu written all over it! I felt that the BMW WSBK team did as well as they did this year in part because of Tardozzi. And there I was feeling all warm and cozy for Haslam since he just signed with them. Surprised they'd let English speaking racers sit on their bikes. Hey... where's that Max Neukirchner guy? [laugh]
Quote from: rc51 on September 29, 2010, 01:06:31 PM
Oops, that's not good. Tardozzi fired? Banned from the BMW pit at Magny Cour? Letting all non-German crew members on the team go? This has got Third Reich deja vu written all over it! I felt that the BMW WSBK team did as well as they did this year in part because of Tardozzi. And there I was feeling all warm and cozy for Haslam since he just signed with them. Surprised they'd let English speaking racers sit on their bikes. Hey... where's that Max Neukirchner guy? [laugh]
Holy crap!
Maybe Ducati should resurrect its WSBk program for next year ;D
I did not see that coming...there was that blurb a lil while back about Yamaha trying to court him when the Melandri move was announced, but he has/had a 3 year contract and Davide himself was quoted as reinforcing that...
how to fail up: http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/30/neukirchner_again_linked_to_pramac_ducat.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/30/neukirchner_again_linked_to_pramac_ducat.html)
HUH???
Man, I wish I'd been born in Indonesia, Russia or Brazil. I could get a GP ride in no time. All have large populations, a lot of corporte $ and no representation in GP. I'd be set, even if I ran 30 seconds a lap slower than everyone else.
Figured I'd put this here as it doesn't deserve it's own thread, and is 'subject to change'
March 20th Qatar* (Losail)
April 3rd Spain (Jerez)
April 24th Japan (Motegi)
May 1st Portugal (Estoril)
May 15th France (Le Mans)
June 5th Catalunya (Catalunya)
June 12th Great Britain (Silverstone)
June 25th Netherlands** (Assen)
July 3rd Italy (Mugello)
July 17th Germany (Sachsenring)
July 24th United States*** (Laguna Seca)
August 14th Czech Republic (Brno)
August 28th Indianapolis (Indianapolis)
September 4th San Marino & Riviera di Rimini (Misano)
September 18th Aragón (MotorLand)
October 16th Australia (Phillip Island)
October 23rd Malaysia (Sepang)
November 6th Valencia (Ricardo Tormo â€" Valencia)
* Evening Race
** Saturday Race
*** Only MotoGP class
Tardozzi, more officialer: http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Oct/101001g.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Oct/101001g.htm)
Quote from: gm2 on October 01, 2010, 10:01:13 AM
Tardozzi, more officialer: http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Oct/101001g.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Oct/101001g.htm)
"by mutual consent with immediate effect"
why does that sound like...
"blahblahblah blah blah" to me?
well well well... Meregalli out of wsbk, to Fiat (or whatever) to be Ben's team manager: http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100930c.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100930c.htm)
Quote from: humorless dp on October 01, 2010, 10:06:09 AM
"by mutual consent with immediate effect"
why does that sound like...
"blahblahblah blah blah" to me?
no kidding. then again, "consent" is a fairly fluid concept...
Quote from: gm2 on October 01, 2010, 10:07:51 AM
no kidding. then again, "consent" is a fairly fluid concept...
you mean like HRC's interpretation of 'factory'? ;D
Quote from: humorless dp on October 01, 2010, 11:39:10 AM
you mean like HRC's interpretation of 'factory'? ;D
[laugh].. exactly. even if you get kicked out of the room, the fact that you walked through the door under your own power could be construed as 'consent' =)
Quote from: gm2 on October 01, 2010, 10:07:14 AM
well well well... Meregalli out of wsbk, to Fiat (or whatever) to be Ben's team manager: http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100930c.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100930c.htm)
They've been saying that for a while. Curious that they're basically gonna put back together a team that was plagued by technical problems and DNFs during their WSBK run. That said, a lot of that was teething for the new R1, particularly the electronics. And once Woody showed up, things started looking up.
Quote from: Spidey on October 01, 2010, 01:32:07 PM
That said, a lot of that was teething for the new R1, particularly the electronics. And once Woody showed up, things started looking up.
exactly. they won on the first iteration of a vastly different bike. ...then again, he had no problem with the 2008 either.
besides, look at what cal says about that bike this year, and it's up 10+hp from 2009. it's a pregnant dog to get that thing right. frankly i think jt kinda got suckered, like so many GP08 riders.
Quote from: Spidey on October 01, 2010, 01:32:07 PM
They've been saying that for a while. Curious that they're basically gonna put back together a team that was plagued by technical problems and DNFs during their WSBK run. That said, a lot of that was teething for the new R1, particularly the electronics. And once Woody showed up, things started looking up.
as a team manager he got his rider what he needed to take the championship... sounds like he did his job. ;D
Quote from: derby on October 01, 2010, 03:55:03 PM
as a team manager he got his rider what he needed to take the championship... sounds like he did his job. ;D
I know, I know. I'm just sayin' that the team didn't win it the easy way. They're lucky they had The Ben as a rider, cuz the bike wasn't helpin' 'em much.
Quote from: Spidey on October 01, 2010, 04:22:46 PM
I know, I know. I'm just sayin' that the team didn't win it the easy way. They're lucky they had The Ben as a rider, cuz the bike wasn't helpin' 'em much.
yeah, they definitely shot themselves in the foot a few times. ;D
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Lorenzo+new+Yamaha+deal (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Lorenzo+new+Yamaha+deal)
Quote from: humorless dp on October 02, 2010, 04:50:13 PM
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Lorenzo+new+Yamaha+deal (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Lorenzo+new+Yamaha+deal)
:o Did anyone see that one coming? What a curveball! :o :o :o :o
Quote from: El Matador on October 02, 2010, 05:20:13 PM
:o Did anyone see that one coming? What a curveball! :o :o :o :o
no kidding...
I just wonder why it took so long.
Quote from: humorless dp on October 02, 2010, 05:22:01 PM
no kidding...
I just wonder why it took so long.
working out the rossi-sized paycheck.
Quote from: derby on October 02, 2010, 05:35:15 PM
working out the rossi-sized paycheck.
Yourghey will never make the off track money Rossi does. ;)
Quote from: humorless dp on October 02, 2010, 05:36:57 PM
Yourghey will never make the off track money Rossi does. ;)
You've not been to Spain lately have you? He's huge and only getting bigger. And if there's anything Spanish people love to spend their money on, it's useless stuff that has someone's name/face/football team on it. Trust me, he can.
Quote from: El Matador on October 02, 2010, 07:31:08 PM
You've not been to Spain lately have you? He's huge and only getting bigger. And if there's anything Spanish people love to spend their money on, it's useless stuff that has someone's name/face/football team on it. Trust me, he can.
Even after today? [evil]
Quote from: humorless dp on October 03, 2010, 05:58:40 PM
Even after today? [evil]
[evil]
That sure was sweet, wasn't it?
laverty: First run on the R1 felt great but I hope to attack a dry track tomorrow. The bike is rather spacious, I feel like a flea on a greyhound!
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/05/sepang_to_be_rossi_s_last_race_with_yama.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/05/sepang_to_be_rossi_s_last_race_with_yama.html)
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/04/wsbk_silly_season_update_haga_with_april.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/04/wsbk_silly_season_update_haga_with_april.html)
Quote from: gm2 on October 06, 2010, 10:43:14 AM
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/05/sepang_to_be_rossi_s_last_race_with_yama.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/05/sepang_to_be_rossi_s_last_race_with_yama.html)
looks like the only winner is the whiner. :-\
Quote from: gm2 on October 06, 2010, 10:43:14 AM
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/05/sepang_to_be_rossi_s_last_race_with_yama.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/05/sepang_to_be_rossi_s_last_race_with_yama.html)
Good. While it'll suck for the rest of the season, I want Rossi healed up and in shape for next year. And it may move The Ben up in the standings for this year. If he can pick off Rossi (likely) and Dovi (mayyyybe -- depending on how many more times Dovi tosses it away this season), he could end up 4th.
Quote from: humorless dp on October 06, 2010, 10:49:28 AM
looks like the only winner is the whiner. :-\
yamaha are in a tough spot.. they have to actively transition their support away from valentino while not 'disrespecting' who he is, what he's done for them. but the further down the road of that transition you get, the more of a threat he becomes. he showed on sunday just how threatening a broken leg'd, f'ed up shoulder version of him can be. kicking jeorge around the track like that was the ultimate mind game: i'm at 65% and i can still kick your ass. i'm winning next year.
the moment the valencia race ends he IS the enemy. they were never going to let him test.
Quote from: gm2 on October 06, 2010, 10:59:30 AM
yamaha are in a tough spot.. they have to actively transition their support away from valentino while not 'disrespecting' who he is, what he's done for them. but the further down the road of that transition you get, the more of a threat he becomes. he showed on sunday just how threatening a broken leg'd, f'ed up shoulder version of him can be. kicking jeorge around the track like that was the ultimate mind game: i'm at 65% and i can still kick your ass. i'm winning next year.
the moment the valencia race ends he IS the enemy. they were never going to let him test.
Don't forget old... :P
I think Furusawa considered him the enemy the day the Ducati contract was announced.
Quote from: humorless dp on October 06, 2010, 11:14:59 AM
Don't forget old... :P
I think Furusawa considered him the enemy the day the Ducati contract was announced.
Absolutely, he was the enemy at that point.
Quote from: humorless dp on October 06, 2010, 11:14:59 AM
Don't forget old... :P
I think Furusawa considered him the enemy the day the Ducati contract was announced.
i might agree with you if furusawa wasn't retiring at the end of this season.
Quote from: derby on October 06, 2010, 12:35:36 PM
i might agree with you if furusawa wasn't retiring at the end of this season.
I think it was personal.
Rossi was hired by Yamaha to make their bike a world champion.
He did that.
He was paid handsomely.
That is now a closed chapter, as he has sworn his allegiance to Ducati.
Yamaha owes him nothing, as he's already been paid.
It's a very black/white thing.
Quote from: gm2 on October 06, 2010, 10:59:30 AM
yamaha are in a tough spot.. they have to actively transition their support away from valentino while not 'disrespecting' who he is, what he's done for them. but the further down the road of that transition you get, the more of a threat he becomes. he showed on sunday just how threatening a broken leg'd, f'ed up shoulder version of him can be. kicking jeorge around the track like that was the ultimate mind game: i'm at 65% and i can still kick your ass. i'm winning next year.
the moment the valencia race ends he IS the enemy. they were never going to let him test.
well said
dovi sorta probably for sure to gresini on 1 of 4 factory bikes. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87240 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87240)
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/07/the_incredible_shrinking_grid_aoyama_s_t.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/07/the_incredible_shrinking_grid_aoyama_s_t.html)
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/11/carlos_checa_to_replace_kallio_at_pramac.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/11/carlos_checa_to_replace_kallio_at_pramac.html)
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/10/dorna_s_rescue_package_elias_and_aoyama_.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/10/dorna_s_rescue_package_elias_and_aoyama_.html)
...stoner on a one-man HRC team? there's a new twist.
Puig running Repsol? [puke]
Was thinking, is Puig the Don King of Moto GP?
Puig will be the downfall of HRC at this rate. Suppo is a proven winner and he brought in a guy that has won a championship on a bike to no one else could ride. At most, they will have to slowly build up the other team and delegate the Repsol team to a satellite. I think HRC has to give Pedrosa and Puig an ultimatum if they can get a big name sponsor like Red Bull. I personally think Stoner has more talent than Pedrosa and he doesn't have a history of injury, other than the shits he got last year. If I was HRC, I would be making Casey the face of Honda from the very beginning.
Quote from: duccarlos on October 12, 2010, 07:19:02 AM
If I was HRC, I would be making Casey the face of Honda from the very beginning.
I'm not so sure about that. Riding aside, Casey is a marketing nightmare, while Pedrosa--for all that we give him shit for being a robot--helps sell stuff, particularly in Spain.
Quote from: gm2 on October 11, 2010, 03:08:25 PM
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/10/dorna_s_rescue_package_elias_and_aoyama_.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/10/dorna_s_rescue_package_elias_and_aoyama_.html)
...stoner on a one-man HRC team? there's a new twist.
Yeah, that's new.
It'd be good to get Elias back onto the GP grid, but I'm not sure why Dorna wants him so badly. Sure he's the Moto2 champion, but do they *really* need another Spaniard? Also, it would be--yet again--a new bike for him. It think in all of his GP time, he only once had the same bike for more than a year.
Ayoama makes more sense for Dorna to support. That why they have a Japanese rider on the grid, and one who is going to move up in ths tandings next year, assuming he doesn't have another super serious injury.
Quote from: Spidey on October 12, 2010, 09:28:52 AM
I'm not so sure about that. Riding aside, Casey is a marketing nightmare, while Pedrosa--for all that we give him shit for being a robot--helps sell stuff, particularly in Spain.
and most importantly, he's the best shot the spaniards have at a championship. you really can't underestimate the importance of his nationality in the dorna-repsol equation.
Quote from: Spidey on October 12, 2010, 09:31:41 AM
It'd be good to get Elias back onto the GP grid, but I'm not sure why Dorna wants him so badly. Sure he's the Moto2 champion, but do they *really* need another Spaniard? Also, it would be--yet again--a new bike for him. It think in all of his GP time, he only once had the same bike for more than a year.
...but he'll be back on a ducati? GP11 rather than GP8, but it's still the 'same' bike.
Quote from: Spidey on October 12, 2010, 09:31:41 AM
Ayoama makes more sense for Dorna to support. That why they have a Japanese rider on the grid, and one who is going to move up in ths tandings next year, assuming he doesn't have another super serious injury.
in addition to wanting a japanese rider on the grid, they just plain need more riders on the grid in total. regardless of nationality. they needs bodies until the CRTs start to help out.
Quote from: gm2 on October 12, 2010, 10:12:24 AM
and most importantly, he's the best shot the spaniards have at a championship. you really can't underestimate the importance of his nationality in the dorna-repsol equation.
A Spaniard just won the championship. What you mean is that a Spanish rider wins with a Spanish sponsor. Maybe they should go after Lorenzo and get rid of Pedrosa/Puig. It's ridiculous having to deal with that asshole.
yes, i meant a spaniard on a repsol bike...
So whats so wrong with puig? I dont see how he influences racing one bit. On Sunday afternoon, he's not in the race. He doesnt affect the outcome. Pedrose is doing a great job of racing and developing the bike.
The real problem. If your not on a "factory bike" you don't stand a chance to win a race.
riddle me that.
I think Dorna wants Elias out of Moto2.
Make room for someone else to be champion, and 'prove' that if you win in Moto2, you get moved up to MotoGP.
Quote from: Speeddog on October 12, 2010, 11:51:25 AM
I think Dorna wants Elias out of Moto2.
Make room for someone else to be champion, and 'prove' that if you win in Moto2, you get moved up to MotoGP.
exactly.
If I was hired like Stoner to ride for HRC, I would expect that the sponsors would already be setup and that there should be at least a skeleton of a team. Puig is an agent and he's forcing HRC to fire someone that has only helped them? I think that's a problem and the reason why HRC is trying to find someone else to pay the bills.
Quote from: duccarlos on October 12, 2010, 11:54:37 AM
If I was hired like Stoner to ride for HRC, I would expect that the sponsors would already be setup and that there should be at least a skeleton of a team. Puig is an agent and he's forcing HRC to fire someone that has only helped them? I think that's a problem and the reason why HRC is trying to find someone else to pay the bills.
that's a lot of conjecture :)
maybe the whole issue is that they really did promise dovi a factory-factory ride. or they think they can get a bunch more $$ out of some new stoner sponsor...someone that might eventually help them end their reliance on Repsol, which is basically what Suppo was brought in to do.
and let's not forget that while stoner obviously had a good run at ducati with suppo, he also has ties to puig.
Quote from: gm2 on October 12, 2010, 12:01:42 PM
that's a lot of conjecture :)
<snip>
Well...
this is a thread about 'Silly' season.
Quote from: gm2 on October 12, 2010, 12:01:42 PM
that's a lot of conjecture :)
maybe the whole issue is that they really did promise dovi a factory-factory ride. or they think they can get a bunch more $$ out of some new stoner sponsor...someone that might eventually help them end their reliance on Repsol, which is basically what Suppo was brought in to do.
and let's not forget that while stoner obviously had a good run at ducati with suppo, he also has ties to puig.
Well if you look at it that way, then Puig is an idiot for pushing HRC to do excatly what they and Suppo wanted in the first place.
Quote from: DanTheMan on October 12, 2010, 11:41:32 AM
So whats so wrong with puig?
Puig is heavily in the pants pocket of Repsol and the contract with Repsol dictates to HRC his presence there...he has doubled his marker of weight by also being Dani's mentor/manager
the problem comes in with the fact that Dani was brought on board to bring Honda a championship as pitched by Puig for Repsol...Honda at the time looked at how much Repsol was willing to pay to make running the team easier ( keep in mind they came on board when Rossi was riding the RC211V- and then he departed and smashed the Repsol Honda out of the gate and pretty much humiliated HRC and Repsol at the time) so Puig was garnering for pride and position when he pushed bringing Dani on board and developing the RC212V around him and promised a chamionship that has as of yet to come to fruition and HRC is so in bed with Repsol now, that they kinda have to suck it up until they find a suitable replacement...enter Suppo and the follow over of Casey with the prospect of RedBull who throws ALOT of money around...
the thing that sucks in all of this to me is the shaft that Dovi is getting...he was contracted with a guarantee that they are trying to weasal and wriggle around...
Quote from: zooom on October 12, 2010, 01:58:05 PM
Puig is heavily in the pants pocket of Repsol and the contract with Repsol dictates to HRC his presence there...he has doubled his marker of weight by also being Dani's mentor/manager
the problem comes in with the fact that Dani was brought on board to bring Honda a championship as pitched by Puig for Repsol...Honda at the time looked at how much Repsol was willing to pay to make running the team easier ( keep in mind they came on board when Rossi was riding the RC211V- and then he departed and smashed the Repsol Honda out of the gate and pretty much humiliated HRC and Repsol at the time) so Puig was garnering for pride and position when he pushed bringing Dani on board and developing the RC212V around him and promised a chamionship that has as of yet to come to fruition and HRC is so in bed with Repsol now, that they kinda have to suck it up until they find a suitable replacement...enter Suppo and the follow over of Casey with the prospect of RedBull who throws ALOT of money around...
the thing that sucks in all of this to me is the shaft that Dovi is getting...he was contracted with a guarantee that they are trying to weasal and wriggle around...
Ok so maybe im retarted, i dont see the issue on how this effects dani's racing. Why do you want to get rid of a big money sponsor at this time? Or HRC wants to get rid of Puig but cant do so without losing Repsol? Either way they are producing some results and really who would be a better rider out there than Dani? Dovi... well there maybe someone else that would benefit more from a factory ride, so bye, bye.
Quote from: DanTheMan on October 12, 2010, 06:20:13 PM
Ok so maybe im retarted, i dont see the issue on how this effects dani's racing. Why do you want to get rid of a big money sponsor at this time? Or HRC wants to get rid of Puig but cant do so without losing Repsol? Either way they are producing some results and really who would be a better rider out there than Dani? Dovi... well there maybe someone else that would benefit more from a factory ride, so bye, bye.
You may be right...
but how many more years is Puig going to be able to sell Dani's lack of a championship? After 5? years maybe it's time Puig got booted from the gravy train?
I agree. Puig is a wet blanket... so's Pedrobot. No love lost here. [bang]
I think Casey is more talented, but Pedro is still an alien. I would still keep him, but make it clear that with Casey in the garage, he no longer can dictate the direction of the whole team.
Quote from: DanTheMan on October 12, 2010, 06:20:13 PM
Ok so maybe im retarted, i dont see the issue on how this effects dani's racing. Why do you want to get rid of a big money sponsor at this time? Or HRC wants to get rid of Puig but cant do so without losing Repsol?
it doesn't effect Dani's racing per sey...but HRC doesn't want Puig around...kinda hard to get rid of him without some real weight behind it...Suppo, Casey, and Red Bull aid in the equation
Quote from: humorless dp on October 12, 2010, 06:35:13 PM
how many more years is Puig going to be able to sell Dani's lack of a championship? After 5? years maybe it's time Puig got booted from the gravy train?
hence why I think Casey and another sponsor on board adds leverage to be able to get rid of Puig...
Quote from: rc51 on October 12, 2010, 07:37:39 PM
I agree. Puig is a wet blanket... so's Pedrobot.
I disagree on Dani being a wet blanket....I am not a Smurfy McDouchnozzle fan...but I don't blame him at all really in this issue we are discussing...he IS an alien and a helluva rider and athlete...and I give him that credit wholeheartedly...
Quote from: duccarlos on October 13, 2010, 04:43:20 AM
I think Casey is more talented, but Pedro is still an alien. I would still keep him, but make it clear that with Casey in the garage, he no longer can dictate the direction of the whole team.
whether Casey is more talented than Pedro remains to be seen...sure, Casey has a championship under his belt that Pedro doesn't, but I want to see what happens when they are on equal machinery/footing....but I agree that Suppo and Casey make it so that Puig can't run the team around Dani anymore with them in the same garage....and Dovi's results also make it harder to keep garnering that favortism IMHO....
Doucebrizio will be Suzuki's only WSBK rider (officially). Yawn . . .
http://crash.net/world+superbikes/news/164268/1/michel_fabrizio_to_be_suzukis_sole_entrant.html (http://crash.net/world+superbikes/news/164268/1/michel_fabrizio_to_be_suzukis_sole_entrant.html)
Quote from: humorless dp on October 02, 2010, 05:36:57 PM
Yourghey will never make the off track money get the off-track poon tang Rossi does. ;)
Fixed it...
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/164296/1/brivio_ducati_desperate_for_rossi.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/164296/1/brivio_ducati_desperate_for_rossi.html)
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/15/rossi_to_test_screamer_and_big_bang_engi.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/15/rossi_to_test_screamer_and_big_bang_engi.html)
Biaggi signs for two more years WITH HONDA?!?!??????
http://crash.net/world+superbikes/news/164381/1/biaggi_aprilia_together_for_2011_and_2012.html (http://crash.net/world+superbikes/news/164381/1/biaggi_aprilia_together_for_2011_and_2012.html)
Oh, sorry. I guess I got that wrong. It's with Aprilia.
Quote from: Spidey on October 18, 2010, 02:59:16 PM
Oh, sorry. I guess I got that wrong. It's with Aprilia.
heheheh...
Quote from: Spidey on October 18, 2010, 02:59:16 PM
Biaggi signs for two more years WITH HONDA?!?!??????
http://crash.net/world+superbikes/news/164381/1/biaggi_aprilia_together_for_2011_and_2012.html (http://crash.net/world+superbikes/news/164381/1/biaggi_aprilia_together_for_2011_and_2012.html)
:o
You just totally freaked me out. I was so freaked out in fact that I immediately clicked on the link and did not scroll down.
Well played sir.
Oh, sorry. I guess I got that wrong. It's with Aprilia.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/164348/1/mika_kallio_confirms_motogp_exit.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/164348/1/mika_kallio_confirms_motogp_exit.html)
Burgess confirmed: Also this is a great read.
http://www.sportrider.com/news/146_1010_jeremy_burgess_talks_about_his_move_to_ducati_motogp_with_rossi/index.html (http://www.sportrider.com/news/146_1010_jeremy_burgess_talks_about_his_move_to_ducati_motogp_with_rossi/index.html)
Quote from: derby on October 20, 2010, 12:07:07 AM
...like 8 pages ago. ;D
he was?...I just don't remember an official confirmation till now....but that's okay...
Quote from: derby on October 20, 2010, 12:07:07 AM
...like 8 pages ago. ;D
Well the article is a fantastic read regardless, and Burgess wasn't officially confirmed that I know of.
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/20/burgess_confirms_he_and_crew_will_move_t.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/20/burgess_confirms_he_and_crew_will_move_t.html)
jb, would it matter if rossi didn't test at valencia? nah, not at all.
Quote from: gm2 on October 20, 2010, 12:41:51 PM
~~SNIP~~
jb, would it matter if rossi didn't test at valencia? nah, not at all.
That didn't strike me until now... if it'll make no difference, then why was Rossi so concerned about doing it?
Quote from: Speeddog on October 20, 2010, 03:02:58 PM
That didn't strike me until now... if it'll make no difference, then why was Rossi so concerned about doing it?
IMO...
it represents his influence/dominance over the GP world...
and he stared down Furusawa san.
i don't exactly buy that it doesn't make any difference.
now i don't doubt that burgess/rossi, et al could make up for "lost time" and still be competitive at losail next march, but they certainly do get a two month head start on their development vs having to wait until january.
Quote from: humorless dp on October 20, 2010, 03:14:16 PM
IMO...
it represents his influence/dominance over the GP world...
and he stared down Furusawa san.
yeah. and read the penultimate paragraph in the motomatters article re 80 seconds.
true to form i think jb is overstating a little. but i bet it mattered more to rossi on principle: honda didn't let me test; i helped you kick honda's ass: you don't want to be honda, do you?
..to jb's point, testing with a bum shoulder is not super-helpful in the level setting dept. but on the other hand, it does get him on the bike sooner than later.
Rossi's finished on the podium 5 out of the 8 races since he came back from breaking his leg.
And he won in Malaysia.
I find it difficult to accept that Rossi/Burgess can't get significant information from Rossi testing at his current level of fitness.
If Rossi were struggling to finish mid-pack, I'd believe it.
well...it goes to say, how much of Rossi's shoulder is REALLY bothering him right now?...supposedly Sepang and PI are supposed to be easier for the shoulder in how pressure is applied for him...but I guess in reality, it could be that Rossi is playing the spectre's for to get the best spin...eventually we'll know what the reality of things is and where they really lay...it is the offtrack game as much as the on track game that Val does love to play!
Quote from: zooom on October 20, 2010, 04:40:29 PM
well...it goes to say, how much of Rossi's shoulder is REALLY bothering him right now?...supposedly Sepang and PI are supposed to be easier for the shoulder in how pressure is applied for him...but I guess in reality, it could be that Rossi is playing the spectre's for to get the best spin...eventually we'll know what the reality of things is and where they really lay...it is the offtrack game as much as the on track game that Val does love to play!
Considering they are claiming the need to re-attach the tendon and do some bone work, I'd guess its bothering him to some degree. He can certainly ride with it, but I don't see the leg as being any issue at all right now. Its healed, and he's just not quite on the pace. Rossi at 90% is better than most of the field, but its that 10% that keeps you fighting for 1st.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Oct/101020feature.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Oct/101020feature.htm)
Poor Yamaha.....
Had the 'worst' bike in 2003 . Since then, they have: developed the best bike, won five of seven MotoGP championships, and added Yourgey and Ben as riders....
All imo directly and solely attributable to the doctor & co....he owes them nothing.
FWIW - Fast by Ferracci started selling Yamaha around 2004/5, but has since dropped them (about a year ago, I think). Wonder if Eraldo knew something that we didn't way back then ;D
Quote from: OT on October 21, 2010, 03:10:36 PM
Poor Yamaha.....
Had the 'worst' bike in 2003 .
i wouldn't say that...
up until 2003 they easily had the best bike that wasn't a honda.
the constructor's standings for 2003 are misleading since yamaha really didn't have anybody riding for them.
honestly, rossi wouldn't have done to yamaha if it was a turd.
Quote from: derby on October 21, 2010, 04:04:17 PM
honestly, rossi wouldn't have done to yamaha if it was a turd.
I sort of agree...and I sort of don't.
Let's say the Suzuki and the Yamah were equal that year (for speculation sake). Now Suzuki offers you $x but little say in the development of the bike outside of your weekly practice/race input. They want to have a say in all development decisions.
Now Yamaha offers you the same $x but gives you full input into the development of the bike and a huge say in the overall team decisions.
Which one would you rather ride for?
Not saying that was the motivating factor for the switch in '04 as the main one there was bending Honda over and giving it to them greasy Italian style. But if 2 equal teams come to you and offer you essentially the same deal but one team also offers you more control over how the bike is developed, which would you be most likely to choose?
Just my thoughts.
Quote from: derby on October 21, 2010, 04:04:17 PM
i wouldn't say that...
up until 2003 they easily had the best bike that wasn't a honda.
You know the history better than I do....one podium all year? OK, that could be attributable to the rider(s)...although much of what's been published seems to imply that no one wanted to ride the yamaha circa 2003....
Is this the case? Or do you see it more like the riders that fled Ducati (Capi?) because the GP7(?) bike was, to them, unrideable?
well, the way i remember it, honda was the bike to be on... if you couldn't be on a factory honda, you wanted to be on a satellite honda... about midway through the satellite honda ranks (right before you got down to the tier running bridgestones), the yamaha started to look attractive.
i seem to remember 7-10 hondas on the grid back then.
Quote from: derby on October 22, 2010, 12:14:21 PM
i seem to remember 7-10 hondas on the grid back then.
i was about to say 8
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/20/honda_silly_season_update_three_repsols_.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/20/honda_silly_season_update_three_repsols_.html)
After all that wrangling, they finally just go with three repsols. Sheesh. With three factory riders, there are going to be some serious spats in the Honda camp. I don't expect that they'll be running anything like the sort of open garage that Ducati does. The interesting thing is that usually, with each additional rider, the sponsor gets less and less return in terms of exposure. But when there are so few bikes on the grid, to have three of the top 7 bikes is likely to pay off for them.
Quote from: Spidey on October 26, 2010, 12:50:04 PM
The interesting thing is that usually, with each additional rider, the sponsor gets less and less return in terms of exposure. But when there are so few bikes on the grid, to have three of the top 7 bikes is likely to pay off for them.
back in the doohan days, repsol honda had 3-4 bikes on the grid, and they were pretty much
all near the front.
Quote from: derby on October 26, 2010, 12:56:07 PM
back in the doohan days, repsol honda had 3-4 bikes on the grid, and they were pretty much all near the front.
It was cheaper then to run more than 2 bikes. Besides, in those days, wasn't the front of the grid always Hondas, Repsol or not?
Toseland confirmed on a satellite BMW:
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/24/james_toseland_confirmed_with_satellite_.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MotoGPMatters+%28MotoMatters%29 (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/24/james_toseland_confirmed_with_satellite_.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MotoGPMatters+%28MotoMatters%29)
Not that there was a whole lot of doubt, but Capi officially confirmed at Pramac.
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42471 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42471)
Quote from: Speeddog on October 28, 2010, 10:11:13 AM
Not that there was a whole lot of doubt, but Capi officially confirmed at Pramac.
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42471 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42471)
Does this mean a Capirossi 696 that goes 150?
Quote from: Raux on October 29, 2010, 07:00:27 AM
Does this mean a Capirossi 696 that goes 150?
...and gets T-Boned by the Hayden model 848 on every ride ;D
Quote from: Raux on October 29, 2010, 07:00:27 AM
Does this mean a Capirossi 696 that goes 150?
[laugh] holy history batman
"....After talks failed to tempt another sponsor in to run Casey Stoner in a separate team..."
Can't understand why sponsors don't want to throw money at Casey [evil]
Elias confirmed on the LCR Honda
Quote from: gm2 on November 01, 2010, 10:36:53 AM
Elias confirmed on the LCR Honda
I hope Elias keeps his motivation next year ( the whole season, not just the second half when looking for a contract ). He's a solid rider when he wants to be.
Quote from: Jester on November 01, 2010, 03:21:43 PM
I hope Elias keeps his motivation next year ( the whole season, not just the second half when looking for a contract ). He's a solid rider when he wants to be.
he just won his first championship ever. He's never finished better than second in any series he's raced in before. I'm sure he liked the feeling and is gonna chase it again next year.
Quote from: El Matador on November 02, 2010, 03:37:10 PM
he just won his first championship ever. He's never finished better than second in any series he's raced in before. I'm sure he liked the feeling and is gonna chase it again next year.
Speaking of championships. Congrats to Jorge and on your stogies and booze. If I can't head down your way soonish, I'll just get your address and ship it to yah.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Nov/101102fbfreturn.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Nov/101102fbfreturn.htm)
Ferracci to race Ducati's in AMA?!?!?!....with Hopper as his rider?!?!?!
....you can bet Ulrich didn't invite him back.
hardly news, but confirmation
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/164719/1/confirmed_brivio_to_leave_yamaha.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/164719/1/confirmed_brivio_to_leave_yamaha.html)
Quote from: gm2 on November 03, 2010, 10:43:25 AM
....you can bet Ulrich didn't invite him back.
yeah, i'd bet the "surgery surprise" was the nail in the coffin for that one.
Quote from: derby on November 03, 2010, 11:09:31 AM
yeah, i'd bet the "surgery surprise" was the nail in the coffin for that one.
oh hey, by the way, my hand sorta doesn't work.
So, if Yamaha is letting Rossi test on the Ducati next week does that also mean Ducati will let Stoner test on the Honda?
Quote from: mac900 on November 04, 2010, 09:48:22 AM
So, if Yamaha is letting Rossi test on the Ducati next week does that also mean Ducati will let Stoner test on the Honda?
I think they already announced that they would.
Quote from: desmoquattro on November 04, 2010, 09:49:52 AM
I think they already announced that they would.
+1
They did that right away.
Quote from: humorless dp on November 04, 2010, 10:02:12 AM
+1
They did that right away.
yeah, I think it was right at about the time Rossi announced he was coming to Ducati...Ducati was hoping that the motion of letting Casey go early to test would lend weight to Yamaha for to let Vale test the Duc at the same time....chess moves...
So, Rossi can test, but we won't hear what he thinks about the bike and what it needs until January. >:( Although I guess they can't stop Ducati from saying anything... but I'd imagine they might keep it quiet out of respect. Who knows.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/November/nov0410-rossi-banned-from-ducati-comments/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/November/nov0410-rossi-banned-from-ducati-comments/)
Quote from: Jester on November 04, 2010, 11:18:07 AM
So, Rossi can test, but we won't hear what he thinks about the bike and what it needs until January. >:( Although I guess they can't stop Ducati from saying anything... but I'd imagine they might keep it quiet out of respect. Who knows.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/November/nov0410-rossi-banned-from-ducati-comments/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/November/nov0410-rossi-banned-from-ducati-comments/)
Oh, Del Torchio will inevitably leak
something.
^
hahahahahahaahahaa
Elias out...RDP in?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/November/nov0610-de-puniet-ducati-deal/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/November/nov0610-de-puniet-ducati-deal/)
Quote from: desmoquattro on November 07, 2010, 12:45:29 AM
Elias out...RDP in?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/November/nov0610-de-puniet-ducati-deal/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/November/nov0610-de-puniet-ducati-deal/)
not a big surprise since Elias was confirmed for his LCR ride here -> http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg790555#msg790555 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg790555#msg790555)
Quote from: zooom on November 07, 2010, 05:01:09 AM
not a big surprise since Elias was confirmed for his LCR ride here -> http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg790555#msg790555 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg790555#msg790555)
Yeah but it's MCN so that could actually mean that RDP signed with Harley or something :)
regarding rdp from somebody "in the know":
RdP was concerned that if it stayed at LCR, he was going to be sixth on the Honda priority list behind the three factory bikes and the Gresini team, which means he would never get a better bike on what he has right now. He met with Preziosi (sp?) yesterday and was promised he would get better equipment than he could ever hope for at Honda and that he would benefit from Rossi's input into the 2011 bike. (http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?p=3290896#post3290896)
Quote from: derby on November 07, 2010, 08:43:33 AM
regarding rdp from somebody "in the know":
RdP was concerned that if it stayed at LCR, he was going to be sixth on the Honda priority list behind the three factory bikes and the Gresini team, which means he would never get a better bike on what he has right now. He met with Preziosi (sp?) yesterday and was promised he would get better equipment than he could ever hope for at Honda and that he would benefit from Rossi's input into the 2011 bike. (http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?p=3290896#post3290896)
So instead, he's going to be on the fifth Ducati?
Quote from: desmoquattro on November 07, 2010, 09:35:30 AM
So instead, he's going to be on the fifth Ducati?
I'm under the impression that Ducati supplies very similar bikes to 'customers' as they supply to the factory team. More so than Honda/Yamaha. I think the biggest pitfall has been the Ducati being more difficult to ride, not the quality of the bike. You'd have to imagine the other riders are hoping Rossi and crew can help tweak that bike into something a bit more balanced, which will help all the teams in question.
Quote from: desmoquattro on November 07, 2010, 09:35:30 AM
So instead, he's going to be on the fifth Ducati?
...or 3rd/4th of five ducatis...
think of it from his point of view; an assurance of pecking order vs no promise whatsoever from honda? seems like a rational decision.
also, a rossi/burgess developed bike is not a bad thing to be on, just ask lorenzo.
Quote from: Jester on November 07, 2010, 09:41:05 AM
I'm under the impression that Ducati supplies very similar bikes to 'customers' as they supply to the factory team. More so than Honda/Yamaha. I think the biggest pitfall has been the Ducati being more difficult to ride, not the quality of the bike. You'd have to imagine the other riders are hoping Rossi and crew can help tweak that bike into something a bit more balanced, which will help all the teams in question.
i think nicky's progress on the gp10 should be an indicator that ducati has made great strides in getting the bike more "universally" rideable. rossi/burgess can only make it better.
Not only that, but all the Ducatis--factory and satellite--share data with one another. Kallio last year, when he was given the factory ride for a coupla races, said it was almost exactly the same as what he was riding.
Besides, in terms of how they treat their riders and the heirarchy of who gets what go-fast goodies, Ducati is not Honda
Quote from: Jester on November 07, 2010, 09:41:05 AM
I'm under the impression that Ducati supplies very similar bikes to 'customers' as they supply to the factory team. More so than Honda/Yamaha. I think the biggest pitfall has been the Ducati being more difficult to ride, not the quality of the bike. You'd have to imagine the other riders are hoping Rossi and crew can help tweak that bike into something a bit more balanced, which will help all the teams in question.
I've been under the same impression. They seem to have made a stride toward general ridability this year with the big bang engine, but given that Rossi will be testing both that engine and the screamer in...oh...a few hours, who knows? Of course, they've stated that the GP11 won't be too radically removed from the GP10 so they can focus on developing the 9XXcc GP12.
Speaking of 2011. Am I the only one that thinks if Stoner keeps the bike upright, he's going to be VERY difficult to beat? I have a feeling he's going to be stupid fast on that Honda. Its a pretty sorted bike now, and clearly the fastest in a straight line. It could be a nightmare reunion for the rest of the grid.
Depends if the Honda will respond favorably to the caning that Stoner dishes out.
Quote from: Jester on November 07, 2010, 06:14:18 PM
Speaking of 2011. Am I the only one that thinks if Stoner keeps the bike upright, he's going to be VERY difficult to beat?
nope. he'll be very dangerous. i think the whole paddock is appropriately nervous.
except that he is on an HRC honda? [bang]
Quote from: avizpls on November 09, 2010, 07:45:58 AM
except that he is on an HRC honda? [bang]
I saw that too...so it begs the question...why the difference?...isn't the Repsol Honda an HRC team bike?
Quote from: zooom on November 09, 2010, 07:56:43 AM
I saw that too...so it begs the question...why the difference?...isn't the Repsol Honda an HRC team bike?
Yes,
But it looks like Repsol isn't/doesn't want to sponsor Casey.
Is HRC footing the entire bill or is there another sponsor?
there were several reports on sunday/monday that there would be 3 Repsol Hondas. so i dunno what's up with 'HRC'
Maybe it's just a contractual detail like Rossi not on a red bike?
prolly. or something. they were very clear that there would be 3 bikes in repsol duds, that repsol had upped their contribution, etc
Quote from: gm2 on November 09, 2010, 10:02:08 AM
prolly. or something. they were very clear that there would be 3 bikes in repsol duds, that repsol had upped their contribution, etc
Casey's not in Repsol livery, that's prolly the reason:
(http://motogpmatters.smugmug.com/MotoGP/2010/Valencia-Test/David01/1084203815_KexxB-M.jpg)
Quote from: desmoquattro on November 09, 2010, 10:41:12 AM
Casey's not in Repsol livery, that's prolly the reason:
(http://motogpmatters.smugmug.com/MotoGP/2010/Valencia-Test/David01/1084203815_KexxB-M.jpg)
Its funny how much smaller that Honda looks than his old Duc.
weird.
http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/164979/1/ten_kate_pairs_xaus_with_rea_for_2011.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/164979/1/ten_kate_pairs_xaus_with_rea_for_2011.html)
maybe...but I bet you'll see more from Ruben on that bike by light years over what Max did...
Quote from: zooom on November 11, 2010, 01:48:12 PM
maybe...but I bet you'll see more from Ruben on that bike by light years over what Max did...
i don't think max was ever really healthy last year. that leg/back may be permanently effed.
melandri looking serious.. http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/164984/1/melandri_on_the_pace_in_first_yamaha_outing.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/164984/1/melandri_on_the_pace_in_first_yamaha_outing.html)
Funny how time flies. I felt like we were just waiting on the countdown to 2010, and we're already here for 2011. The downtime sucks.
Quote from: Jester on November 13, 2010, 04:01:11 PM
Funny how time flies. I felt like we were just waiting on the countdown to 2010, and we're already here for 2011. The downtime sucks.
+11ty Billion...we get a glimpse of Rossi on a carboned-out Ducati, then months of waiting. make the beast with two backsing tease [bang] [bang] [bang]
Quote from: gm2 on November 12, 2010, 10:17:36 AM
melandri looking serious.. http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/164984/1/melandri_on_the_pace_in_first_yamaha_outing.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/164984/1/melandri_on_the_pace_in_first_yamaha_outing.html)
he's not wrong...
but it did sound a little whiny.
Quote from: humorless dp on November 13, 2010, 04:24:03 PM
he's not wrong...
but it did sound a little whiny.
he often does, a little.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/rossi+on+surgery+in+cattolica (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/rossi+on+surgery+in+cattolica)
Pegram won't be racing Ducatis anymore:
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/ama-sbk-pegram-confirms-ducati-split/ (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/ama-sbk-pegram-confirms-ducati-split/)
News to me, but I'm sure it was out there.
Quote from: desmoquattro on November 16, 2010, 10:36:31 AM
Pegram won't be racing Ducatis anymore:
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/ama-sbk-pegram-confirms-ducati-split/ (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/ama-sbk-pegram-confirms-ducati-split/)
News to me, but I'm sure it was out there.
Wow. News to me too.
I guess no more pasta in the Pegram pit.
Quote from: zenjim on November 16, 2010, 11:07:44 AM
Wow. News to me too.
I guess no more pasta in the Pegram pit.
not so sure about that....what if he goes "Priller ?!?!?!
or an MV!
I almost got runned over by Luca Scassa in the Infineon pits a few years ago. (my fault)
How cool would it be to see the F4 AND F3 racing next year?
But I thought the Pegrams always had a spaghetti dinner in there.
That, and I thought I saw some religious goings on when I went by once.
wonder if the RSV4 is on the magic homologation list
Quote from: gm2 on November 16, 2010, 12:53:16 PM
wonder if the RSV4 is on the magic homologation list
The engine is, but only if mounted in an XR1200 chassis.
Quote from: zenjim on November 16, 2010, 12:56:33 PM
The engine is, but only if mounted in an XR1200 chassis.
[laugh]
Last I read he might be riding a Beemer.
2011 Ducati GP team sponsored by Mercedes AMG
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2010/11/2010-la-auto-show-mercedes-benz-and-ducati-announce-partnership.html (http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2010/11/2010-la-auto-show-mercedes-benz-and-ducati-announce-partnership.html)
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/11/mercedes-and-ducati-partners-in/ (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/11/mercedes-and-ducati-partners-in/)
wonder how this will affect the Marlboro/Ferrarri/Ducati relationship and kick off event...
QuoteWhile Mercedes unveiled its new CLS63 AMG don’t-call-me-a-four-door at the LA Motor Show last night, a hayseed from Kentucky snuck onstage with one of them new-fangled motor sickles and prompted a surprise announcement. Mercedes and Ducati are apparently going to be partners.
Update: according to Mercedes’ Twitter feed, “AMG announces sponsorship of Ducati MotoGP team with Valentino Rossi and Nicky Hayden in 2011.â€
“Both companies share the same values,†said Ola Kallenius, the unhelpful CEO of AMG, Mercedes’ performance division. “Racing as the driving passion, and high performance plus exclusivity as the central brand messages of both AMG and Ducati.â€
Nicky Hayden followed up with a quote that sadly didn’t included the word ‘shucks’, “Well, if this is my company bike and this is my company car, I’d say I’m doing pretty well.â€
What’s not clear is, aside from being partners, what being partners means for Ducati and Mercedes, they didn’t go into details. The deal definitely isn’t a parternship-of-equals style purchase, but rather some sort of marketing link up. Conventional wisdom leads towards some sort of FIAT/Yamaha like MotoGP sponsorship, but it could equally amount to some sort of lifestyle marketing project. Both Ducati and AMG pursue an identical demographic: middle-age or older wealthy men who want to advertise their success with an image of performance.
I'd like to have a word or two with the twat who wrote that piece of crap.
Quote from: avizpls on November 17, 2010, 07:33:48 AM
I'd like to have a word or two with the twat who wrote that piece of crap.
send him a pm:
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=8074 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=8074)
[laugh]
He just seems REALLY cynical or generally unhappy. For one, I know ~I~ didnt buy a duc to "advertise my success with an image of performance."
Quote from: avizpls on November 17, 2010, 09:57:18 AM
[laugh]
He just seems REALLY cynical or generally unhappy. For one, I know ~I~ didnt buy a duc to "advertise my success with an image of performance."
I, for one, know I did. Obviously the only two reasons to buy a duc is either that, or to compensate for a freakishly small penis.
Quote from: El Matador on November 17, 2010, 10:01:35 AM
I, for one, know I did. Obviously the only two reasons to buy a duc is either that, or to compensate for a freakishly small penis.
Celebrating your success? Like starting your 12th year of college? [cheeky]
Quote from: El Matador on November 17, 2010, 10:01:35 AM
I, for one, know I did. Obviously the only two reasons to buy a duc is either that, or to compensate for a freakishly small penis.
Hmmm . . . I'm not sure which category I fall into. I guess I'll just send all the R&T regulars a pic of my penis and they can make the call.
Quote from: Spidey on November 17, 2010, 10:14:23 AM
Hmmm . . . I'm not sure which category I fall into. I guess I'll just send all the R&T regulars a pic of my penis and they can make the call.
AGAIN?
Quote from: gm2 on November 17, 2010, 10:21:22 AM
AGAIN?
Good thing he's a lawyer..he already has counsel.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/165155/1/valentino_rossi_finished_season_with_gritted_teeth.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/165155/1/valentino_rossi_finished_season_with_gritted_teeth.html)
Quote from: swampduc on November 17, 2010, 10:13:29 AM
Celebrating your success? Like starting your 12th year of college? [cheeky]
Ouch... I only have one semester left I'll-have-you-know. Getting a double major in engineering ain't easy >:(
"middle-age or older wealthy men who want to advertise their success with an image of performance."
oh come on folks don't get your rich adult panties in a knot just because the saying is true [laugh]
first part of treatment is acceptance.
MJ signs pork chop to partner up with mr. mountain bike
http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Nov/101118b.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Nov/101118b.htm)
DiSalvo on an 848:
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42853 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42853)
sure hope they give him enough bike so that he doesn't have to quit in whiny protest in the middle of the season.
Quote from: sbrguy on November 18, 2010, 01:09:56 AM
"middle-age or older wealthy men who want to advertise their success with an image of performance."
oh come on folks don't get your rich adult panties in a knot just because the saying is true [laugh]
first part of treatment is acceptance.
Bugger! I'm middle aged but not wealthy!
You know, I like DiSalvo, think he's a decent rider and I'm glad he got the Latus Duc ride. Wonder what happens to Rapp? But throwing in the towel mid-season like that was pretty weak on his part. I certainly don't know what went on in the team pits but that just didn't show good sportsmanship or class. Just my two cents.
Was his bike that much slower than his teammates? Granted, since he was a back marker most of the time I rarely saw him when Speed showed the races. Never had a chance to see him get blown away down any straightaways. Just thought it would have been better to finish out the season, learn the tracks and keep your chin up. If his scooter was that damn under powered the paddock would have known it and some team owner/manager might have given him a shot next year on a better bike.
Oh well, sounds like he's happy to be home and back in AMA/DMG.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 11, 2010, 12:44:53 PM
I certainly don't know what went on in the team pits but that just didn't show good sportsmanship or class. Just my two cents.
Was his bike that much slower than his teammates?
according to chaz davies, jason and he were on the same bike.
If that's truly the case then maybe DiSalvo just didn't like Chaz spanking his ass in every race. Chaz rode a damn good series in my opinion. Against some pretty tough competition. I like Davies a lot and hope he's back next season on the Park N Go Triumphs. [thumbsup] [moto]
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 12, 2010, 01:20:41 PM
hope he's back next season on the Park N Go Triumphs. [thumbsup] [moto]
he will be.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Dec/101223mid.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Dec/101223mid.htm)
why do I read this and think of the Italian version of Hopper this past year with RRW Suzuki?
I read that too and had to wonder. "Getting older"? Jeez, he's not that damn old! Hmmm... recently raced a MX event. Hmmmm. [roll] Are Marco and Hopper still friends? [laugh]
Black Forks on the GP11.....?
Anybody out there speak Italian?
La letterina a Babbo Natale di Valentino Rossi e la Gita a Borgo Panigale. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btCxGdt2XLI#normal)
Quote from: OT on December 25, 2010, 06:57:20 AM
Black Forks on the GP11.....?
Anybody out there speak Italian?
Comfy under that rock?
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 25, 2010, 07:40:28 AM
Comfy under that rock?
are you implying that I'm out-of-touch?.....keeping the CIA up-to-date has me pretty busy :-X
Quote from: OT on December 27, 2010, 11:14:54 AM
keeping the CIA up-to-date has me pretty busy :-X
Right...
Just saying that black Ohlins are nothing new on the grid.
Factory Yamaha squad has no title sponsor yet..... :P
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/December/dec2310-fiat-replacement-eludes-yamaha (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/December/dec2310-fiat-replacement-eludes-yamaha)
I'm thinking DMF would look pretty damn good on that fairing. They could get us cheap! [thumbsup] [laugh]
On a more serious note, that is pretty bad that they haven't gotten anyone to sign up yet. As the article says, they are in the driver's seat (even without Rossi, and that was a big loss for sure) as the most marketable team on the grid. But the cash crunch is still with us big time. I wish them luck.
Quote from: Speeddog on December 28, 2010, 01:58:04 PM
Factory Yamaha squad has no title sponsor yet..... :P
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/December/dec2310-fiat-replacement-eludes-yamaha (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/December/dec2310-fiat-replacement-eludes-yamaha)
Hey Jesus...
where is all that Spanish money that your boy was gonna attract?
Quote from: humorless dp on December 28, 2010, 03:55:38 PM
Hey Jesus...
where is all that Spanish money that your boy was gonna attract?
[evil]
Quote from: humorless dp on December 28, 2010, 03:55:38 PM
Hey Jesus...
where is all that Spanish money that your boy was gonna attract?
With all the money he's bringing X-lite, I wouldn't be surprised if it was them. I just came back from madrid and saw no fewer than 20 X-fuera helmets, no Pedrobot, no Rossi.
On a more serious note, have you heard of the state of the spanish economy? It's right up there on par with the Spanish work ethic and sobriety levels.
The only company making serious money in Spain right now is Repsol, but they're taken. Maybe El Corte Ingles, but that would be hilarious. Almost as of Macy's was sponsoring a team.
Quote from: El Matador on December 28, 2010, 05:49:00 PM
With all the money he's bringing X-lite, I wouldn't be surprised if it was them. I just came back from madrid and saw no fewer than 20 X-fuera helmets, no Pedrobot, no Rossi.
i doubt nolan is making enough money to float a factory gp team.
Quote from: derby on December 28, 2010, 06:40:47 PM
i doubt nolan is making enough money to float a factory gp team.
hence:
Quote from: El Matador on December 28, 2010, 05:49:00 PM
On a more serious note, have you heard of the state of the spanish economy? It's right up there on par with the Spanish work ethic and sobriety levels.
The only company making serious money in Spain right now is Repsol, but they're taken. Maybe El Corte Ingles, but that would be hilarious. Almost as of Macy's was sponsoring a team.
yeah, i saw that. ;D
fwiw, i am kinda surprised telefonica hasn't stepped up yet. not showin' a lotta faith in jorge for 2011.
i'm pretty sure yamaha corporate can bankroll the team for a year. they don't want to, but they can.
does anybody know how the piano business is doing? ;D
2010 Net Income was a smaller loss than 2009...... [laugh]
http://www.global.yamaha.com/about/ir/publications/pdf-data/2010/ann/an-2010e-003.pdf (http://www.global.yamaha.com/about/ir/publications/pdf-data/2010/ann/an-2010e-003.pdf)
I think it speaks less about the money people are able to freely throw around and more about the unsureness of the ability to repeat the success another year...nothing against Jorge, cause I am sure he'll be up there in the mix without a doubt, but the confidence level to put your money out there with the thought it is going to have your name plastered on the top of the podium everytime (almost like it was this past year with Jorge) for to get a name recognition return for some business and sales opportunities, it just doesn't look as likely due to many factors floating about in variable form...at least IMHO
Quote from: derby on December 28, 2010, 07:44:05 PM
yeah, i saw that. ;D
fwiw, i am kinda surprised telefonica hasn't stepped up yet. not showin' a lotta faith in jorge for 2011.
i'm pretty sure yamaha corporate can bankroll the team for a year. they don't want to, but they can.
does anybody know how the piano business is doing? ;D
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I'm actually kinda surprised as well. I don't think it has anything to do with Jorge, really. More of the state of things.
Quote from: zooom on December 29, 2010, 04:36:30 AM
I think it speaks less about the money people are able to freely throw around and more about the unsureness of the ability to repeat the success another year...nothing against Jorge, cause I am sure he'll be up there in the mix without a doubt, but the confidence level to put your money out there with the thought it is going to have your name plastered on the top of the podium everytime (almost like it was this past year with Jorge) for to get a name recognition return for some business and sales opportunities, it just doesn't look as likely due to many factors floating about in variable form...at least IMHO
You really think there are three other better-looking packages on the grid for net year?
Quote from: El Matador on December 29, 2010, 06:12:48 AM
You really think there are three other better-looking packages on the grid for net year?
not saying that there are better packages on the grid per sey, but that there are a lot of new things in the shuffle that make it not the clear ultimate package of awesomeness that 2010 was....
-Honda finally figured something out with the RC212V
-Casey was batshit fast and comfortable with the 2011 RC212V out of the gate
-Pedrobot was coming around to some reasonable results on that machine before he broke, and he is currently healing well and expected to be in full 100% to go form by the 1st race.
-Simoncelli looked to be getting comfortable as if he finally figured that bike out as well also, and could be a pain in someone's ass in prevention of progression through the pack as long as he keeps the rubber rolling on the pavement.
-The Ben is a worthy contender to put a possible wrench in the proverbial monkeyworks for Jorge
-Valentino and JerryB can come out of the dark with who knows what from under their sleeve to be a fly in the ointment as well
and these are just a few of the variables that can stain the idea that Jorge is guaranteed to be on top of the podium in the same manner as he did this past year which makes for reasonable problems in the marketing for a sponsor from my POV
Quote from: zooom on December 29, 2010, 07:16:18 AM
and these are just a few of the variables that can stain the idea that Jorge is guaranteed to be on top of the podium in the same manner as he did this past year which makes for reasonable problems in the marketing for a sponsor from my POV
he doesn't need to be on top of the podium for sponsor exposure, just on the podum (or fighting for it).
if winning races was a requirement for sponsorship, most of the grid would be sitting in the stands watching a handful of bikes race it out.
i still say stoner is gonna be a real problem.
Quote from: derby on December 29, 2010, 07:32:45 AM
he doesn't need to be on top of the podium for sponsor exposure, just on the podum (or fighting for it).
if winning races was a requirement for sponsorship, most of the grid would be sitting in the stands watching a handful of bikes race it out.
I don't think winning is a requirement per sey...but exposure I am sure is...and well, for someone who is questionable with spending the money ( like FIAT for example wasn't exactly a cash cow, but they got their money's worth through Vale and through Jorge over their term-but it was Vale that brought them on board and he was clearly going to be a dominant force to be reckoned with after the Bridgestone/Michelin debacle)....so someone who is on the fence with spending the millions here, wants some level of return...just having your name on the side of a bike while it circulates isn't enough sometimes...having your name on the leathers on the steps with a trophy can be....
Quote from: zooom on December 29, 2010, 07:46:14 AM
I don't think winning is a requirement per sey...but exposure I am sure is...and well, for someone who is questionable with spending the money ( like FIAT for example wasn't exactly a cash cow, but they got their money's worth through Vale and through Jorge over their term-but it was Vale that brought them on board and he was clearly going to be a dominant force to be reckoned with after the Bridgestone/Michelin debacle)....so someone who is on the fence with spending the millions here, wants some level of return...just having your name on the side of a bike while it circulates isn't enough sometimes...having your name on the leathers on the steps with a trophy can be....
care to bet that jorge is off the podium more than on next year? (i'll take the "jorge is on the podium" side)
"guarantee" is a funny word but, given his performance over the last few years coupled with the well-developed yzr-m1, you can be reasonably sure that a yamaha is going to be on the podium each race.
Quote from: derby on December 29, 2010, 07:59:12 AM
care to bet that jorge is off the podium more than on next year? (i'll take the "jorge is on the podium" side)
if it was "off the podium more than he was last year", I'd take that bet in a heartbeat...to say he'll be off the podium 9 or more times next year is a huge leap of stupidity, as the odds are definitely against that by alot...
Quote from: derby on December 29, 2010, 07:59:12 AM
"guarantee" is a funny word but, given his performance over the last few years coupled with the well-developed yzr-m1, you can be reasonably sure that a yamaha is going to be on the podium each race.
at least 1 M1 will be on the podium alot for sure(regardless of who the rider is)....each race...now THAT is a bet I'll take...I'll bet that there is at least 1 race next year that doesn't have a Yamaha on the podium.
Quote from: zooom on December 29, 2010, 09:04:36 AM
at least 1 M1 will be on the podium alot for sure(regardless of who the rider is)....each race...now THAT is a bet I'll take...I'll bet that there is at least 1 race next year that doesn't have a Yamaha on the podium.
at least 1.. very safe. how many races with no yamaha on the rostrum would you wager?
Quote from: gm2 on December 29, 2010, 10:08:44 AM
at least 1.. very safe. how many races with no yamaha on the rostrum would you wager?
Ooooo...you tempt and bait me sir....out of 18 races....
do we get an over/under on this one?....LOL
[popcorn]
Quote from: humorless dp on December 29, 2010, 10:20:49 AM
[popcorn]
sheeeeddddddupp you mug you...LOL
you and your wager thread and looking for our fodder for your entertainment...LOL
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=45329.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=45329.0)
Well...
I am extremely bored...
and you guys crack me up. :P
Quote from: humorless dp on December 29, 2010, 10:33:02 AM
Well...
I am extremely bored...
[evil] It shows in your 'portrait'....but I suppose I'd be bored, too, if I'd posted 29,000+ times, had to mod this group, and had to sit thru NE winters every year...btw, how badly was your area hit by that snowstorm?
Quote from: OT on December 29, 2010, 07:04:49 PM
[evil] It shows in your 'portrait'....but I suppose I'd be bored, too, if I'd posted 29,000+ times and had to sit thru NE winters every year...btw, how badly was your area hit by that snowstorm?
We didn't get that much snow...maybe 10".
The wind was brutal. There are spots with bare ground and others with snow up to my knees. You can't really tell the driveway was even plowed.
Wait till you get to be over 400 years old...everything will seem ho-hum to you too. ;D
Quote from: humorless dp on December 29, 2010, 07:08:57 PM
Wait till you get to be over 400 years old...everything will seem ho-hum to you too. ;D
The 1550's strip joints were that good? Either way, I'm not far behind you, if at all.... [beer]
Some relatives drove from Philadelphia to Cap Cod (Dennis area) on Sunday. Took them 5 hours to get to Mystic and then six more to the Cape... :P
Quote from: OT on December 29, 2010, 07:13:47 PM
<snip>
Some relatives drove from Philadelphia to Cap Cod (Dennis area) on Sunday. Took them 5 hours to get to Mystic and then six more to the Cape... :P
That was a bad call. ;)
I'm waiting for January 1st so Rossi can break his Yamaha imposed silence.
Quote from: Jester on December 30, 2010, 06:32:26 PM
I'm waiting for January 1st so Rossi can break his Yamaha imposed silence.
don't hold your breath waiting...I wouldn't expect to hear anything until the Wroom event....at which time, at probably some respectable length, he'll be forthcoming with some impressions and comments...but I am just guessing...
Quote from: zooom on December 31, 2010, 03:55:51 AM
don't hold your breath waiting...I wouldn't expect to hear anything until the Wroom event....at which time, at probably some respectable length, he'll be forthcoming with some impressions and comments...but I am just guessing...
SWAG or educated?
Not really silly but interesting. So much for ParkinGo Daytonas in WSS this year. At least they still have Davies... which is a good thing! [thumbsup] [moto] [clap]
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/01/24/yamaha-back-in-world-supersport (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/01/24/yamaha-back-in-world-supersport)
http://www.ducati.com/racing/motogp/news/a_little_bit_special_sbk_1198/2011/01/26/529/index.do (http://www.ducati.com/racing/motogp/news/a_little_bit_special_sbk_1198/2011/01/26/529/index.do)
VALENTINO ROSSI TESTS AT MISANO WITH DUCATI 1198 SUPERBIKE
(http://www.ducati.com/cms-web/fs/43c/9ca/132/1ad/926/465/db4/be3/76c/819/ad/highlight2_459x258.jpg)
DAMN I love seeing that...
Quote from: desmoquattro on January 26, 2011, 09:43:19 AM
http://www.ducati.com/racing/motogp/news/a_little_bit_special_sbk_1198/2011/01/26/529/index.do (http://www.ducati.com/racing/motogp/news/a_little_bit_special_sbk_1198/2011/01/26/529/index.do)
VALENTINO ROSSI TESTS AT MISANO WITH DUCATI 1198 SUPERBIKE
(http://www.ducati.com/cms-web/fs/43c/9ca/132/1ad/926/465/db4/be3/76c/819/ad/highlight2_459x258.jpg)
DAMN I love seeing that...
the lean angle is just crazy on that.
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 24, 2011, 12:07:31 PM
Not really silly but interesting. So much for ParkinGo Daytonas in WSS this year. At least they still have Davies... which is a good thing! [thumbsup] [moto] [clap]
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/01/24/yamaha-back-in-world-supersport (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/01/24/yamaha-back-in-world-supersport)
certainly silly.. and good news for chaz and yamaha!
was looking at the tire on the front
not his lean.
i've seen people hang off way more.
Quote from: Raux on January 26, 2011, 10:07:09 AM
was looking at the tire on the front
not his lean.
i've seen people hang off way more.
pretty sure nori has him beat here:
(http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2009/wsbk/magnycours/1/4.jpg)
ok... ok...
so i haven't watched enough racing.
Now here is some lean angle.
(http://image.superstreetbike.com/f/11844239+w750+st0/0808_sbkp_01_z+yamaha_r1+low_side.jpg)
Quote from: pennyrobber on January 26, 2011, 12:00:26 PM
Now here is some lean angle.
(http://image.superstreetbike.com/f/11844239+w750+st0/0808_sbkp_01_z+yamaha_r1+low_side.jpg)
[laugh] [laugh]
That's called Oops Angle.
Have you heard that Val is testing on a 1198 in Misano? Cause I have. At least half of the Live Feed on my FB has the same photos. Makes me realize I have way too much motorcycle content on FB
Quote from: duccarlos on January 26, 2011, 12:56:32 PM
Have you heard that Val is testing on a 1198 in Misano? Cause I have. At least half of the Live Feed on my FB has the same photos. Makes me realize I have way too much motorcycle content on FB
That's what the photo is from:
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg832876#msg832876 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg832876#msg832876)
Yep, I was being a smartass
Quote from: gm2 on January 26, 2011, 02:07:39 PM
he is
...followed by a James Bond smokescreen:
http://motomatters.com/news/2011/01/26/rossi_s_verdict_on_shoulder_after_misano.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2011/01/26/rossi_s_verdict_on_shoulder_after_misano.html)
Re: Vale
Quote from: Raux on January 26, 2011, 09:55:50 AM
the lean angle is just crazy on that.
That'd be funny if they if skinned the D16 with the 1198 so he could practice.
Quote from: Desmostro on January 26, 2011, 08:22:26 PM
Re: Vale
That'd be funny if they if skinned the D16 with the 1198 so he could practice.
ever seen those two bikes side by side?
Quote from: derby on January 26, 2011, 10:41:30 PM
ever seen those two bikes side by side?
probably and never thought twice about it...what is your insinuation?
The Desmo is a good bit wider in the hips. ;)
Quote from: zooom on January 27, 2011, 05:05:04 AM
probably and never thought twice about it...what is your insinuation?
whatever it is...
he'll probably be right. :P
Quote from: humorless dp on January 27, 2011, 05:12:24 AM
whatever it is...
he'll probably be right. :P
that make the beast with two backser is always right damnit...LOL
....i doubt you could mistake the two, derbyism or not
Quote from: pennyrobber on January 26, 2011, 12:00:26 PM
Now here is some lean angle.
(http://image.superstreetbike.com/f/11844239+w750+st0/0808_sbkp_01_z+yamaha_r1+low_side.jpg)
I could save that. [roll]
Any way to watch the testing coming up? Free preferably.
I am sure most of you haven't been able to sleep wondering what number George will run on his Yammyhammer this season. Well rest easy my friends, it will be #1! Now we can all finally sleep soundly again! [bang] [roll] The universe is back in alignment :P
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/01/30/lorenzo-is-the-1 (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/01/30/lorenzo-is-the-1)
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 30, 2011, 06:23:40 PM
I am sure most of you haven't been able to sleep wondering what number George will run on his Yammyhammer this season. Well rest easy my friends, it will be #1! Now we can all finally sleep soundly again! [bang] [roll] The universe is back in alignment :P
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/01/30/lorenzo-is-the-1 (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/01/30/lorenzo-is-the-1)
So that means Casey or Smurfey McDickhead is gonna win the championship!
Quote from: desmoquattro on January 30, 2011, 06:26:13 PM
So that means Casey or Smurfey McDickhead is gonna win the championship!
While I'm a Rossi d***sucker I'm pulling for the smurf. I'd like to see Pedro win one before Honda kicks him to the curb.
Quote from: Jester on January 30, 2011, 06:42:24 PM
While I'm a Rossi d***sucker I'm pulling for the off a smurf.
Fixed.
Hope the smurf is enjoying it! ;D
He's certainly capable. But I think smurf's problems in winning a title all hinge on the other aliens. I think he can only win in this class with a magical bike and if everyone else is injured. Gee... doesn't that sound like George's year last season? ;D Personally I think Stoner might give him hell. Just sayin'.
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 30, 2011, 07:00:08 PM
He's certainly capable. But I think smurf's problems in winning a title all hinge on the other aliens. I think he can only win in this class with a magical bike and if everyone else is injured. Gee... doesn't that sound like George's year last season? ;D Personally I think Stoner might give him hell. Just sayin'.
I think Stoner is probably the favorite for next year, but I think he's a douchenozzle, so I can't really pull for him... although I will keep ogling his wife. Anyway, I'm one of the few that likes Pedro despite his shortcomings, so /shrug.
What's to keep anyone from ogling his wifely unit?? Who cares what he does on the track. Did you see what his wife was wearing??? [laugh] [laugh] [bacon] [popcorn]
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 30, 2011, 07:52:19 PM
What's to keep anyone from ogling his wifely unit?? Who cares what he does on the track. Did you see what his wife was wearing??? [laugh] [laugh] [bacon] [popcorn]
maybe she is his secret weapon against the Pedro-bot?!?!?...distraction in the paddock to keep him from giving proper data to engineers due to over stimulization?!?!?....
Quote from: zooom on January 31, 2011, 04:25:29 AM
maybe she is his secret weapon against the Pedro-bot?!?!?...distraction in the paddock to keep him from giving proper data to engineers due to over stimulization?!?!?....
Pedro only hires Eunuchs as engineers.
Quote from: desmoquattro on January 31, 2011, 07:31:58 AM
Pedro only hires Eunuchs as engineers.
YES, but is HE immune a eunuch and immune to the wily mesmerization of boobies?
and Pedrobot's nightmare begins....
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jan/110131repsolstoner.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jan/110131repsolstoner.htm)
(http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/worstnightmare.jpg)
Quote from: zooom on January 31, 2011, 08:37:28 AM
and Pedrobot's nightmare begins....
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jan/110131repsolstoner.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jan/110131repsolstoner.htm)
(http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/worstnightmare.jpg)
Cool to see Termis on it
that swingarm is the size of my first apartment
Quote from: gm2 on January 31, 2011, 10:30:55 AM
that swingarm is the size of my first apartment
Where was this, NY? ;D
Pedro's more a Oompa Loompa than a smurf.
The Yamaha's have Termi's too.
Short Rossi vid on the 1198.
Valentino Rossi tests at Misano with Ducati 1198 Superbike - the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2wNv695W_sY#normal)
Quote from: zooom on January 31, 2011, 08:37:28 AM
and Pedrobot's nightmare begins....
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jan/110131repsolstoner.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jan/110131repsolstoner.htm)
(http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/worstnightmare.jpg)
This is going to be a very interesting year.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 31, 2011, 04:34:51 PM
This is going to be a very interesting year.
and how. since honda was one of the major proponents of the move to 800s, and they've won zero titles since, i bet there are many jobs on the line in the name of fixing that before we go back to liter bikes.
i think it's highly likely stoner could do it.
Quote from: gm2 on January 31, 2011, 04:41:20 PM
and how. since honda was one of the major proponents of the move to 800s, and they've won zero titles since, i bet there are many jobs on the line in the name of fixing that before we go back to liter bikes.
i think it's highly likely stoner could do it.
Exactly. I know that Pedro has been Repsol's shining star, being a Spaniard and all, but I really think Stoner is going to take the team away from him this year.
Quote from: gm2 on January 31, 2011, 04:41:20 PM
i think it's highly likely stoner could do it.
Wonder how soon he'll be crying 'sabotage' again.... [coffee]
Considering that Stoner won on the unridable Ducati, I think he will just be plain fast on the Honda. I have him winning the title this year.
Quote from: duccarlos on January 31, 2011, 06:02:27 PM
Considering that Stoner won on the unridable Ducati, I think he will just be plain fast on the Honda. I have him winning the title this year.
winning on the "unrideable" ducati vs crashing like mad on the "perfect" rc211v...
Quote from: duccarlos on January 31, 2011, 06:02:27 PM
Considering that Stoner won on the unridable Ducati, I think he will just be plain fast on the Honda. I have him winning the title this year.
When did the Ducati become "unridable"?
Last year Stoners head was full of visions of Vale leering over the naked body of his new bride every time he mounted that bike. I think prolly at that level, racing is 99.9% mental and Stoner's head just wasn't in it... When he showed flashes of brilliance and kicked everyone's ass, was the bike "unridable" then too?
Quote from: tufty on February 01, 2011, 07:03:17 AM
When did the Ducati become "unridable"?
Last year Stoners head was full of visions of Vale leering over the naked body of his new bride every time he mounted that bike. I think prolly at that level, racing is 99.9% mental and Stoner's head just wasn't in it... When he showed flashes of brilliance and kicked everyone's ass, was the bike "unridable" then too?
<wooosh>
Quote from: tufty on February 01, 2011, 07:03:17 AM
When did the Ducati become "unridable"?
for anyone but stoner, 2007.
and i don't think his crashing last year was mental. there were real issues with the front end that no one could ride around, even casey.
Quote from: gm2 on February 01, 2011, 10:32:25 AM
for anyone but stoner, 2007.
and i don't think his crashing last year was mental. there were real issues with the front end that no one could ride around, even casey.
very insightful comments about how the spec tire changed the game:
Quote from: zooom on January 31, 2011, 06:00:40 PM
Mamola gives his .02 on what to expect...
http://www.sportrider.com/news/146_1101_randy_mamola_gives_his_unique_view_on_valentino_rossi_and_ducati_2011_motogp/index.html (http://www.sportrider.com/news/146_1101_randy_mamola_gives_his_unique_view_on_valentino_rossi_and_ducati_2011_motogp/index.html)
Quote from: derby on February 01, 2011, 10:39:50 AM
very insightful comments about how the spec tire changed the game:
[thumbsup]
Interesting article. [thumbsup]
The Ducs looked downright slow in today's testing. Of all the major teams, they have the longest to go to become competitive.
Quote from: OT on February 01, 2011, 05:39:35 PM
Wait....Stoner won the title on Bridgestones, didn't he...so is the Bridgestone spec tire used in 2010 that much different than the one he won on?
Or am I off by a year?
Yes he did.
Wasn't Ducati the only one using 'Stones that year?
Maybe the tire was made for the bike.
It's explained in Mamola's article, which I should have read before I posed my question (something I've been guilty of since 1st grade) [bang]
Article is also interesting in that his comments seem (to me) to paint Rossi's great challenge more as just getting the bike to work as a championship contender, less as Rossi's quest for another title. I suppose if Rossi can accomplish the former then the latter has a big chance of falling in place.
they weren't the only ones using bridgestones, but they were the only championship-capable team on 'em.
in those years, the tires were indeed built specifically for the bikes, not the other way around like it is now with the control tire.
Quote from: derby on February 01, 2011, 06:00:26 PM
they weren't the only ones using bridgestones, but they were the only championship-capable team on 'em.
in those years, the tires were indeed built specifically for the bikes, not the other way around like it is now with the control tire.
Zook doesn't count. :P
Quote from: ducpainter on February 01, 2011, 06:14:05 PM
Zook doesn't count. :P
i seem to remember at least one of the honda teams on 'stones, too.
Quote from: derby on February 01, 2011, 06:19:07 PM
i seem to remember at least one of the honda teams on 'stones, too.
That's why we keep you here.
Someone has to remember. :-*
Quote from: ducpainter on February 01, 2011, 06:54:40 PM
That's why we keep you here.
Someone has to remember. :-*
uh huh...
kawasaki was running 'em, too... i just remembered. ;D
so... all the ducatis, kawasaki, suzuki, and at least one of the honda teams... ~10 bikes?
Quote from: derby on February 01, 2011, 06:00:26 PM
they weren't the only ones using bridgestones, but they were the only championship-capable team on 'em.
in those years, the tires were indeed built specifically for the bikes, not the other way around like it is now with the control tire.
Go past it and "Bikes might only mean one or at most two guys directing the tire compounds... Micheline had a huge location advantage and had the ability to build to spec for a couple folks right up to race week end. Bridgestone could build to the bike too but it wasnt as deep a pool that they could fill...
This year will be fun, but the year I really want to see is year 2 of the new 900...
That bike will be built ground up by lead rider and mechanic, (year one could be won by an BIG engine advantage by a factory) That's when we will learn if Lorenzo is all that and a bag of chips when he doesnt get to just ride Rossi and Burgess pony...
Quote from: derby on February 01, 2011, 07:34:53 PM
uh huh...
kawasaki was running 'em, too... i just remembered. ;D
so... all the ducatis, kawasaki, suzuki, and at least one of the honda teams... ~10 bikes?
gresini. i remember being surprised that there was actually an "elias front".
we've discussed it before but 2007 was the magical moment when bridgestone's slow-and-steady development over the previous several years culminated perfectly with the complete a$$fcuk to michelin that was the new 'set your tire allotment on THURSDAY' rule. what a total disaster that was for them.
Quote from: Frustration on February 01, 2011, 07:38:55 PM
but the year I really want to see is year 2 of the new 900...
That bike will be built ground up by lead rider and mechanic, (year one could be won by an BIG engine advantage by a factory) That's when we will learn if Lorenzo is all that and a bag of chips when he doesnt get to just ride Rossi and Burgess pony...
I speculate that the Texas crewside of the garage will be a damned site better in getting that project squared up than the Yor-Ghey side....but I base that only in the idea of what they had to do and did to make that Zuke be what it was in AMA and what they did to make the Yammy ( which was supposedly so unmanagable) achieve in WSBK...
Quote from: zooom on February 02, 2011, 05:31:20 AM
I speculate that the Texas crewside of the garage will be a damned site better in getting that project squared up than the Yor-Ghey side....but I base that only in the idea of what they had to do and did to make that Zuke be what it was in AMA
the yoshimura suzuki was by far the most developed bike in the AMA paddock long before ben or house got there. there was some australian guy winning on it.
Quote from: zooom on February 02, 2011, 05:31:20 AM
and what they did to make the Yammy ( which was supposedly so unmanagable) achieve in WSBK...
the day after the final WSBK race of 2008 ben got on nori's R1, changed nothing, and went faster than nori had the day before. the bike was not the issue.
true they had a couple mechanical issues with the '09 bike that got straightened out once Woody got there, but ben was also on pole for the first race of the year (and most of the other races). the bike worked...
Quote from: gm2 on February 02, 2011, 10:14:24 AM
the yoshimura suzuki was by far the most developed bike in the AMA paddock long before ben or house got there. there was some australian guy winning on it.
yup... "mladin's" yosh crew were, at one point, the only suzuki team in the world that was having any success with the bike and the
other factory teams (worldsbk, etc) were calling them for setup notes.
Quote from: gm2 on February 02, 2011, 10:14:24 AM
true they had a couple mechanical issues with the '09 bike that got straightened out once Woody got there, but ben was also on pole for the first race of the year (and most of the other races). the bike worked...
...also won round 1 race 2. ;D
Quote from: derby on February 02, 2011, 10:21:12 AM
...also won round 1 race 2. ;D
which was WAAAYY before Assen. ;D [cheeky]
Quote from: gm2 on February 02, 2011, 10:29:37 AM
which was WAAAYY before Assen. ;D [cheeky]
[cheeky]
Ppppbbbtttthhhhh
I'm guessing this means that Rapp has offically lost his 848 ride in DSB? Don't remember seeing a bit about him having a #2 bike with Latus Racing??? So I guess it's just one 848 with nothing for Rapp? Too bad.
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/02/16/rapp-for-vance-hines-xr1200-series (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/02/16/rapp-for-vance-hines-xr1200-series)
Be the first on your block.... to pay extra for a few stickers on the windscreen and tail cover.
http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2011/February/Stoner_Blade.htm (http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2011/February/Stoner_Blade.htm) [drool]
Notice the brightly smiling eyes inside the helmet [laugh]
Quote from: OT on February 16, 2011, 07:11:38 PM
Be the first on your block.... to pay extra for a few stickers on the windscreen and tail cover.
http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2011/February/Stoner_Blade.htm (http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2011/February/Stoner_Blade.htm) [drool]
Notice the brightly smiling eyes inside the helmet [laugh]
Pretty sure he's smiling...
on the way to the bank. ;)
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 16, 2011, 06:44:47 PM
I'm guessing this means that Rapp has offically lost his 848 ride in DSB? Don't remember seeing a bit about him having a #2 bike with Latus Racing??? So I guess it's just one 848 with nothing for Rapp? Too bad.
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/02/16/rapp-for-vance-hines-xr1200-series (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/02/16/rapp-for-vance-hines-xr1200-series)
That sucks. He's an awesome rider-of sport bikes.
Quote from: OT on February 17, 2011, 08:43:13 AM
I'm kinda thinking that Casey's gone after he drops the bike a few times and this contract is thru.......this is the same kid that accused then employer HRC of sabotage
his employer in 2006 was Lucio Cecchinello. and he accused Ohlins of sabotage, not HRC.