so i found a dealer that could get me a black 07 S4RS still in the crate
I gave my CC left a deposite. Today when i called to ask for the MSO so i could fax it to the boarder, he had bad news. The sales rep would not allow him to sell me the bike because i am in Canada :-[
Total BS. The bike in the US is over $2500 less that what i would pay at the local dealers. Acutally about 4k less, but i talked them down $1500.
If Ducati knows there is such a price difference then they should fix the f'n Canadian price [bang]
The dealer is not happy either, it;s money out of his hands.
What the hell happened to a free market.
Hey Ducati, that Aprilla looks mighty good right about now [wine]
That suck ballage dude.... I don't really know how they could stop you if you wanted to purchase one? Doesn't make sense to me, are they doing the financing? If so could you get it financed elsewhere then just walk in and give them the cash? It doesn't seem they'd be able to refuse a cash settlement purchase. I would imagine it has to do with the financial side, I would caution you that some of the pricing difference you're seeing could actually be a taxation issue and it could be you'll have to pay these cost anyway. Good luck.
Ducatis made for the Canadian market may have different emission requirements. You might find the same thing is true if you tried to buy a car in the US and were in Canada. The Tax issue does sound like it could be an obstacle between 2 countries.
Keep checking the Canadian dealers I got an 07 S2R800 brand new for $3000.00 off. As for the emmisions most provinces have thier emmisions standards written so they follow closely with Califorina. Check NAFTA and see if that is the restriciton, it is partially with cars at least.
local dealer is $15500 plus %13 tax (origonally wanted friggen 17 !!)
US bikes is $13500 plus %13 tax (payable at the boarder)
The only reason they won't sell it to me is to protect the Canadian dealers. It;s not the buffalo dealer, it;s Ducati NA that is saying no [bang]
suck a kick in the friggen teeth. I just called the delaer back too see if he heard anythig, and nothing yet :-\
Walk in with cash, tell the dealler that if they don't sell you the bike Ducati can go fack themselves, there are other brands. Canada's dealers need to protect themselves. Or get a trusted friend to pay for it and buy it from them, then thumb your nose at the Canuck dealers for being a whiny little no compete babydiaperbuttface! Tell them how you got your brand new Ducati in the states at a great discount and make them cry like girls.
The US dealers are under strict orders from DNA not to sell new bikes outside of the US. Michael Lock negotiated special pricing for the US due to the high volume of bikes they sell here.
Quote from: silentbob on June 09, 2008, 12:49:56 PM
The US dealers are under strict orders from DNA not to sell new bikes outside of the US. Michael Lock negotiated special pricing for the US due to the high volume of bikes they sell here.
Do it through a friend in the states then..... they can't stop a private party from selling it to you.
Unfortunately, "free trade" is a two-way street. Ducati can choose to sell to, and NOT sell to, whomever they please. They probably have to order the bike... Bologna wanted credentials, saw you were Canadian, and said "sorry buddy, but you have to pay more than americans because, well, we can make you..." Capitalism rules...
I can't believe no-one has mentioned the real reason why Ducati screws with Canadian buyers - VS [laugh]
mitt
Another thing to be aware of - on the goldwing board, several Canadian members have bought goldwings in the states and taken them north. There have been many reports of Canadian dealers refusing to work on bikes purchased out of the country. I don't know how they can do that, what if I was a US resident, owned the bike in the US, and then took a job in Canada?
If you live close to the border, just ride across for warranty service. Most goldwing owners do a lot of their own maintenance anyway so they don't really care. A lot of Canadian goldwing people refuse to buy from Honda-Canada because of the "Canadian Tax". The dollars are almost the same in value now so the price difference is really nothing more than gouging.
Thanks guys, i called up the local dealer, and he gave me a SMOKIN Deal on an 08 Tri-color ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Even less than the US MSRP :o ;D $14500 plus tax OTD [thumbsup]
Left a deposite, bike ordered, going to sign papers tonight, and dealer said i would be riding by the weekend [moto]
Just stuck at work with one last thing to finish haha i wanna go NOW lol [beer]
I was talking to a friend who lives in Denmark . I told him I had a 1098R and he said he would have liked to get one but in Denmark, Ducati sold the 1098R for the eqivalent of $55,000 US and here in the US they sold for $39,995. The US gets Ducatis cheaper than any other country. Lucky us !
Quote from: zc911 on June 09, 2008, 01:33:50 PM
Thanks guys, i called up the local dealer, and he gave me a SMOKIN Deal on an 08 Tri-color ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Even less than the US MSRP :o ;D $14500 plus tax OTD [thumbsup]
Left a deposite, bike ordered, going to sign papers tonight, and dealer said i would be riding by the weekend [moto]
Just stuck at work with one last thing to finish haha i wanna go NOW lol [beer]
Hey, glad things are working out so well . Let's see some pics when you get the TRI...
thanks :d i am freakin happy as a pig in well you know 8)
Pics will be comming
Quote from: zc911 on June 09, 2008, 11:50:24 AM
so i found a dealer that could get me a black 07 S4RS still in the crate
I gave my CC left a deposite. Today when i called to ask for the MSO so i could fax it to the boarder, he had bad news. The sales rep would not allow him to sell me the bike because i am in Canada :-[
Total BS. The bike in the US is over $2500 less that what i would pay at the local dealers. Acutally about 4k less, but i talked them down $1500.
If Ducati knows there is such a price difference then they should fix the f'n Canadian price [bang]
The dealer is not happy either, it;s money out of his hands.
What the hell happened to a free market.
Hey Ducati, that Aprilla looks mighty good right about now [wine]
Glad to hear that you eventually found a deal on a bike in Canada. However, I wanted to pass along some more information. I don't know the whole story on DNA's reasoning, but I do know this - from reading another forum where a guy in Canada bought a 2008 Hyper Motard in the US and got screwed when he tried to import it into Canada.
Take a look a the rules from Transport Canada. All 2008 Ducati's are Inadmissible for import into Canada.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Section8_0.htm
The American dealer probably saved you a bigger headache by not selling you the bike, because then you may have been stuck with a bike sitting in the U.S. and your money in DNA's pocket, all the while fighting with Transport Canada and DNA on why you can't get the bike imported.
Either way, I'm glad you found a good deal there in Canada!
Quote from: zc911 on June 09, 2008, 01:33:50 PM
Thanks guys, i called up the local dealer, and he gave me a SMOKIN Deal on an 08 Tri-color ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Even less than the US MSRP :o ;D $14500 plus tax OTD [thumbsup]
Left a deposite, bike ordered, going to sign papers tonight, and dealer said i would be riding by the weekend [moto]
Awesome!!!!! Love a happy ending ;D
And, IMHO, the Tri-colore is MUCH better looking than the black...
Ahemmmm,,,,,,Glad thats "Just your Opinion" In reference to the above post :)
Good that the local dealer gave U a good deal. Someone already mentioned a way around this BS. Have a friend in the US buy the bike & sell it to U as a used bike. DNA cant do anything about it.
Its set up this way to protect the Canadian dealers. Or, all the Canucks would be crossing the border buying bikes.
Quote from: BarneePhife on June 09, 2008, 02:05:04 PM
Glad to hear that you eventually found a deal on a bike in Canada. However, I wanted to pass along some more information. I don't know the whole story on DNA's reasoning, but I do know this - from reading another forum where a guy in Canada bought a 2008 Hyper Motard in the US and got screwed when he tried to import it into Canada.
Take a look a the rules from Transport Canada. All 2008 Ducati's are Inadmissible for import into Canada.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Section8_0.htm
The American dealer probably saved you a bigger headache by not selling you the bike, because then you may have been stuck with a bike sitting in the U.S. and your money in DNA's pocket, all the while fighting with Transport Canada and DNA on why you can't get the bike imported.
Either way, I'm glad you found a good deal there in Canada!
thanks already knew about no 08s. th eone at the delear in Buffalo was a left over 07, so i should have been good. you can't import 08s becuase Ducati hasn't release the recall information to trasnport Canada
oh well i got a tri colore :D all good :D
Quote from: Duc L'Smart on June 09, 2008, 02:06:04 PM
Awesome!!!!! Love a happy ending ;D
And, IMHO, the Tri-colore is MUCH better looking than the black...
I love both, the Tri-colore was my first choice, but i thought it was too expensive as the other local dealer wnated $18000 !!! damn
papers all signed, get my VIN tommorow and bike before saturday [evil]h
Congrats on the new ride! I love a happy ending. Once you get the bike, post pics to verify your story... you know the deal.
thanks ;D, and can do can do 8)
Congrats dude. You're lucky to get one for $14.5k. I paid that in 06 and nothing's getting cheaper as far as I know.
I was going to suggest you emigrate.
Termi kit? ;D
LA
Canada may have duties and taxes that are part of the MSRP and the VAT as well.
Nice price on the Tri-Colore! [thumbsup]
Let's get some pics when you can.
Congrats, after a long fight you actually get a better deal, BTW we get ripped off in South Africa as well [bang]
Quote from: DoubleEagle on June 09, 2008, 01:41:16 PM
I was talking to a friend who lives in Denmark . I told him I had a 1098R and he said he would have liked to get one but in Denmark, Ducati sold the 1098R for the eqivalent of $55,000 US and here in the US they sold for $39,995. The US gets Ducatis cheaper than any other country. Lucky us !
A big hunk of that 55 large is taxes by the importing country - it's not quite accurate to say Ducati sells it for that much. Ducati sells it for somewhat less of that (though probably still higher than in US) then the state taxes the holy christ out of it to pay for Danish welfare and schools.
Just for the record :
Monster 695 is 8000 Euro in Germany = 12.500 US
And then Denmark takes a 120% tax on top of that.
Another 15.000 US
So I am looking at 27.000 US without any extras ... for an entry level bike
And now stop whining ;)
Quote from: ArguZ on June 10, 2008, 01:53:46 AM
Just for the record :
Monster 695 is 8000 Euro in Germany = 12.500 US
And then Denmark takes a 120% tax on top of that.
Another 15.000 US
So I am looking at 27.000 US without any extras ... for an entry level bike
And now stop whining ;)
Monster 695 is 11 650 Euro in Finnland = over 18 000 USD. Cheap like soap! [wine]
Quote from: LA on June 09, 2008, 09:10:18 PM
Congrats dude. You're lucky to get one for $14.5k. I paid that in 06 and nothing's getting cheaper as far as I know.
I was going to suggest you emigrate.
Termi kit? ;D
LA
thanks, the conversation ont he phone went somthing like
"i can get you an 08 tricolore for mmm $14500"
"14500?"
"yes $14500"
"S4rs? Tricolore for $14500"
"yes"
"$14500 plus tax OTD? S4RS?
"yes, i'll let that sink in and call me back when you are ready"
haha ;D
And Canada has no duties on motorcycles no matter where they are made.
At the delaer they also had Hypermotards for damn good prices. As little as $12500 for a non S, and $14600 for an all black S
Not bad at all. My friend is going back with me today to see abotu trading in his Honda S2000 on the black 1100S [clap]
And Damn you guys in Europe get royally screwed :o
I iwll have the VIN # today when i go in and hopefully by thursday be ridding agin. Cant wait [beer]
Ducati Thailand will not allow the dealers to work on Ducatis not bought from the Dealers or to PX bikes not bought from the dealers. 50% of the Ducatis in thailand come from japan as 2nd hand imports. its a dumb policy as half the ducati owners in Thailand are forced to go to the independants or DIY like myself . I was going to buy a new Ducati last year but the dealer was so rude and told me my bike was a crap import which he would not do a PX on that now i will never do business with them ever again.
It seems like Europeans get totally screwed on just about everything all in the name of free medical treatment and excellent social services. Personally, I would rather have the choice of where my hard earned $$ goes.
Hey zc911. As a few others have said. PICS,,,, we need pics or we wont believe U ;D
So, what mods are U going to do?
i don;t have hte bike yet :D i can post a VIN # tonight lol
hopefully by thursday [popcorn]
full termi kit for sure, and i gotta chop the tail ( i think), bar end miirrors, gold open clutch ocver, red pressure plate, red retainers, and SS springs ;D
Yes yes please post pics of your new Italian froofy clown bike... :D
Quote from: Duc Fever on June 10, 2008, 08:07:06 AM
It seems like Europeans get totally screwed on just about everything all in the name of free medical treatment and excellent social services. Personally, I would rather have the choice of where my hard earned $$ goes.
It won't be all that different here if Barry takes office.
Quote from: Adam in MO on June 10, 2008, 01:29:14 PM
It won't be all that different here if Barry takes office.
He's gonna be our next president for sure imo. Afterall, he's young, hip, fit, ethnic etc. Look at him next to McCain. McCain looks like some sorry crippled country club whitey that's so out of favor these days so no young or ethnic vote for that guy. Obama looks better w/ an Ipod and earphones than McCain ever would so he'll win [laugh]
we do have a politics section guys...just sayin'
...good for you mang!! [clap]
so, was it ducati afterall trying to screw you up?
ps: post up the pics!
Quote from: Rotten Randy on June 10, 2008, 01:14:14 PM
Yes yes please post pics of your new Italian froofy clown bike... :D
hahah will do [laugh]
Quote from: lucazuma on June 10, 2008, 02:09:00 PM
...good for you mang!! [clap]
so, was it ducati afterall trying to screw you up?
ps: post up the pics!
yup, the regional slaes rep was stopping the sale
pics as soon as i get it home 8)
Quote from: zc911 on June 10, 2008, 03:19:54 PM
yup, the regional slaes rep was stopping the sale
pics as soon as i get it home 8)
...you should address your complaints to Ducati North America, then. (and dont thinnk its not worth it)
Let me know if you need a contact to send it to.
Quote from: AMY on June 13, 2008, 11:30:30 AM
...you should address your complaints to Ducati North America, then. (and dont thinnk its not worth it)
Let me know if you need a contact to send it to.
Yes please
New dealer i am not happy with either, he promised riding by the weekend, no bike, and not even an f'n call back today to give me any info ??? I called 3 times. humor me, tell me it;s on the way anything >:(
I am giving you almost 17grand (with taxes) . I used to sell aftermarket car parts. I gave better service to someone buying a $300 clutch.
The funny part is my friend is looking for a Hypermotard once he sells his car. And the other sales man at this dealer had the balls to ask if my friend was still intersted in one, after not having his partner call me back.
i really should have bought a damn Aprilla [bang] I would have been ridding by now :'(
this is just unfriggen believable how hard it is for me to get an f'n bike [bang]
Quote from: zc911 on June 13, 2008, 04:48:17 PM
i really should have bought a damn Aprilla [bang] I would have been ridding by now :'(
this is just unfriggen believable how hard it is for me to get an f'n bike [bang]
to be fair...what you're saying is how incredibly hard and frustrating it's been to get a bike at thousands less than the normal cost in your country. Still sucks, but you have to keep perspective if you're getting this worked up over what is basically trying to get an amazing deal. If it were easy to save multiple thousands quickly...well....
a month from now you will forget all about thes few extra days of waiting. pics of the bike in the crate at the dealer would be cool too. think of them like those IZ_ baby ultrasound pics that the women at the office get all crazy about... but cooler! i wish i would have snapped a few of my baby while it was still in the 'womb' :D
i know what you're saying and i agree
But i don;t like waiting lol. If this delaer had just said yes we can get you the bike but it might take a week or two, i would be fine
But to be told, you will be riding by the weekend, then to not even call me back when the bike i s not there, is what pisses me off.
I love buying new to me bikes, used bikes are easy. See the bike, offer, buy the bike. Ride bike
Buying new is a new experience, and so far it's been a giant pain in the ass
Quote from: aaronb on June 13, 2008, 05:32:07 PM
a month from now you will forget all about thes few extra days of waiting. pics of the bike in the crate at the dealer would be cool too. think of them like those IZ_ baby ultrasound pics that the women at the office get all crazy about... but cooler! i wish i would have snapped a few of my baby while it was still in the 'womb' :D
that is a cool idea, i am going to try and do just that [thumbsup]
Ducati has run out of bikes. No f'n monster for me [bang]
The dealer is going to call me back by the end of day. At which point i can either wait till god knows when or get my deposite back
i cannot belive this shit :'(
wow, that sucks. the tricolor was a limited edition but your dealer should have checked before making promises.
exaclty why i am so pissed
I called, he gav eme a price. I told him to call and make sure he can get it. He called back 45min later and said no problem they ahve a bike you will be riding by the weekend.
He flat out lied just to get a deposite >:(
if i don;t have a call back before 4pm ia m going there in persona nd getting this sorted out. Complete and utter BS. There is an Aprilla dealer ont he wya home that has 2 Tuono in stock. I almost cannot be bothered to even try the other Ducati dealers >:(
I have never had to work so hard to purchase anythinig before. NEver mind somthing that cost almost $17000
2 ducatis, and that might be it. i;ve had enough
Your dealer is lame. That really sucks.
I've never been around the Aprillas I do know the Duc is easy to love. I hope the dealer makes it right for you. Have you considered a used bike? Cheaper and you leave with it right now! If it's gotta be new I understand, but if you don't mind someone else taking care of the hassles of break-in and first service, it's a good way to go. Plus you have even odds of some mods already being done for less than the price of a new bike. I understand what you're saying about the dealer honoring promises I completely feel that way no matter what the purchase size. If I have to wait, fine I'll wait but don't tell me I won't, then be to chicken to take my calls. Don't be afraid to go over his/her head to get it taken care of. Tell them you want a bike at the given deal, if the sales person won't help, talk to the owner of the dealership, if you can't get activity take it to DNA.
This looks like it's truly bugging you to the point of being miserable. go get the tuono.
and to add insult to injury the left over 07 S4Rs locally has been sold >:(
i am gonna f'n loose it on this dealer
I am really sorry that you went through all of this. I have had a similarly painful experience with the local Ducati dealer down here BOTH times I tried to buy a bike from them. This last time broke the proverbial camel's back though. They had an '06 Sport1000 that I REALLY wanted to get my hands on. I made three trips down to look at and test ride it and each time they quoted me a reasonable price for the bike. Well, the day comes that I am ready to make the offer. I call the sales manager and tell him that I am coming down to talk numbers and if we come to an agreeable amount then I will buy it. Now keep in mind that it is about 50 miles round trip from my house to the dealer. So, I get down there, talk to him and the head mechanic about it again for about an hour. Go back inside, and am then told that they decided to put the bike on ebay instead!! I didn't believe what I had heard at first, and asked him to repeat himself. Sure enough, they wanted to auction the thing off. I pretty much told them to go make the beast with two backs themselves for stringing me around like that and that I would be more than happy to get any further Ducatis from California and have them shipped down here so I wouldn't have to deal with their buffoonery every again.
4 pages and still no pics?? [evil]
Sorry to hear about the deal, that's pretty f-up on all accounts. I've bought new bikes and used bikes and luckily both transactions have been easy as pie.
Post some pics of that Tuono!
It's really sad that 1 or 2 salesmen or dealers can really sour the whole Ducati experience.
Don't they understand customer service?
What happened to the customer is always right??
How are they going to stay in business by pissing people off?
thanks guys
I would buy used but the only used ones are US bikes. I was set on used until they gave me the prices on the new ones.
I plan to keep this bike for a long time, so new was good.
So i called 2 other dealrs, they each ahve a tricolore in stock. So i called the dealer back. He is oging to try and buy on from another dealer.
he has until 5pm, then i am going over there and getting my money back
Quote from: Duc L'Smart on June 16, 2008, 12:00:02 PM
It's really sad that 1 or 2 salesmen or dealers can really sour the whole Ducati experience.
Don't they understand customer service?
What happened to the customer is always right??
How are they going to stay in business by pissing people off?
...sooo true. Thats why i asked if he was sure it was Ducati that wanted to screw him...
anyhow, i pmd you the mane and info of the person you should cnotact at DNA. Dont think that id doesnt make a difference!! Write a letter describing what is going on and ask fog sugestions.
ciao
Quote from: AMY on June 16, 2008, 02:28:26 PM
...sooo true. Thats why i asked if he was sure it was Ducati that wanted to screw him...
anyhow, i pmd you the mane and info of the person you should cnotact at DNA. Dont think that id doesnt make a difference!! Write a letter describing what is going on and ask fog sugestions.
ciao
thanks. i emailed them today, but i will call tommorow for sure
So i went over to the dealer today, asked if he found me a bike. He said no, i said cough up the deposite and my plate. I was SOOO pissed.
then me tried to sell me a 1098 >:( I dunno how i didn;t loose it right there.
going tommorow to try again at two more Dealers, and one Aprilla dealer. wish me luck
LOTS of luck [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
thanks ;D
GRRRR
well? what happened? Did you get the Aprilia? Did you get a Monster?
Quote from: CETME on June 21, 2008, 09:54:13 AM
well? what happened? Did you get the Aprilia? Did you get a Monster?
He got the Aprilia. It's in another thread.
Quote from: Duc Stamp on June 21, 2008, 11:46:02 AM
He got the Aprilia. It's in another thread.
Yeah...Thanks to the worst Ducati dealership in Canada he has crossed into "the Aprilia Zone" [cheeky] (Great bike though [thumbsup])
If you want all the sad details...... [popcorn]
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=5093.0