Thinking of putting s2r 1k front end on my 800.. Hoping to stop the front end nose dive under braking.. So I got some questions
1. Is it worth it? Improved braking? Less of a nose dive?
2. Along with forks I need to change rotors, calipers, brake master cylinder, and triple clamp,, correct? Anything else?
I believe you can keep all your same brake setup.
I put ST2 forks on mine, and changed nothing else.
My forks came with linear rate springs, so apparently somebody had already been in them. I changed the oil and called it a day. The springs are really the key to any front suspension upgrade. Apparently the Showa front isn't really adjustable until you do some work (thread in "Tutorials").
Get a 25mm front axle from just about any of adjustable-fork bikes, it'll have the holes you need to access the compression adjusters.
Get a set of adjustable forks from S2R1000 or other model.
Respring with linear spring to suit your weight, replace the oil.
Install forks and axle on your bike.
Measure from bottom of lower triple to your front axle on your existing forks, with them fully extended, and install the new forks to the same measurement.
Is there any advantage of 748 forks I've s2r1k ?
Also this fork swap will it raise or lower the front end?
I like let my bike ergonomics as is. I just want to get ride of the nose brake dive.. And improve braking some
Speeddog's advice will leave the front ride height the same.
I forgot about the axle holes, I drilled my axle.
Linear springs will ride higher than progressive and that goes for the front as well as the rear.
I think it's a good idea to change the shock spring as well - to make the bike behave well. Mixing linear front with progressive rear isn't the ideal way to improve the ride.
If you don't want to do both (, but you should), you could raise the rear a 'little' to keep your current geometry. Measure, measure and measure.
It will be night and day when it comes to controlling the braking (and turning).
I enjoy my upgraded brakes, but the S2R800 brakes do stop the bike. Mods are often most enjoyed and understood if one is done and evaluated before doing the next. Suggestion: suspension first and then decide if you 'must' have better brakes.
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Well, ignoring fo the moment that a fast rider on a stock suspended "50 / 54 mm"-forked Ducati will leave me for dead, all the 50/54 mm adjustable forks will only work as truly adjsutables if you modify them.
As they come, they will be OK up to a point, but the potential for improvement is enormous, especially concerning comfort and brake dive.
It might seem a waste of money and effort to modify something you´re reasonably happy with as it is, but I have yet to have someone I modified the forks for come back and complain. A non-visible mod you can actually feel!
Well how about I just change the springs on my front forks so they are stiffer. This will prevent the nose dive during breaking and is probably my easiest and most economic option right?
Quote from: cbcanada on October 26, 2014, 03:09:48 PM
Well how about I just change the springs on my front forks so they are stiffer. This will prevent the nose dive during breaking and is probably my easiest and most economic option right?
I'd say yes.
Replacing the oil is done while having the fork apart anyway - just the fact that it's new helps, but you might try a 'heavier' oil to gain a little more damping. The S2R800 fork has VERY little rebound damping and you'll need more to compensate for the added rebound of linear springs. Hopefully, this isn't to technical for you... it could be as easy as ordering the next grade of fork oil viscosity, really.
It hurts a little to advice riders to do simple mods when I know how much better the bike will be if you spend more, but in this case it's sensible to do what you suggest/ask, then evaluate and make up your own mind later. The knowledge gained will be 'yours' and you'll be better equipped to decide the next steps - if any. The linear springs won't be a waste of money since they are the base of better suspension anyway.
Quote from: stopintime on October 26, 2014, 03:49:06 PM
I'd say yes.
Replacing the oil is done while having the fork apart anyway - just the fact that it's new helps, but you might try a 'heavier' oil to gain a little more damping. The S2R800 fork has VERY little rebound damping and you'll need more to compensate for the added rebound of linear springs. Hopefully, this isn't to technical for you... it could be as easy as ordering the next grade of fork oil viscosity, really.
It hurts a little to advice riders to do simple mods when I know how much better the bike will be if you spend more, but in this case it's sensible to do what you suggest/ask, then evaluate and make up your own mind later. The knowledge gained will be 'yours' and you'll be better equipped to decide the next steps - if any. The linear springs won't be a waste of money since they are the base of better suspension anyway.
So what springs and oil would you all recommend I go with. I currently lost a ton of weight currently 163 pounds (down from 215)
Keep in mind my mail goal is to stop the forks from bottoming under breaking
oil height also has a big impact on the very bottom of the stroke. my experience with these forks is that they get very hard at the end of the stroke. so if they're bottoming out maybe the level is too low. plus they have no compression damping for much of the stroke due to a hole in the side of the cartridge. i'd weld it up and play with oil weight. one leg is comp, the other rebound, so you might find some constructive investigation leads to not so bad results. certainly respring them too, or cut the original springs down, or add 30mm or more of preload
i did some stuff here:
http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/marzocchi-43mm-fork-design-and-impact.html (http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/marzocchi-43mm-fork-design-and-impact.html)
http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/marzocchi-43mm-fork-design-and-impact.html (http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/marzocchi-43mm-fork-design-and-impact.html)
http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/marzocchi-43mm-fork-design-and-impact.html (http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/marzocchi-43mm-fork-design-and-impact.html)
link to extensive thread on fixing them here:
http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/more-on-craptacular-marocchi-43mm-forks.html (http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/more-on-craptacular-marocchi-43mm-forks.html)
short answer, put gsxr cartridges in them and drill a hole in the bottom of the cartridge to bleed the comp damping circuit for real fork action.
Quote from: brad black on October 26, 2014, 06:33:25 PM
oil height also has a big impact on the very bottom of the stroke. my experience with these forks is that they get very hard at the end of the stroke. so if they're bottoming out maybe the level is too low. plus they have no compression damping for much of the stroke due to a hole in the side of the cartridge. i'd weld it up and play with oil weight. one leg is comp, the other rebound, so you might find some constructive investigation leads to not so bad results. certainly respring them too, or cut the original springs down, or add 30mm or more of preload
i did some stuff here:
http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/marzocchi-43mm-fork-design-and-impact.html (http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/marzocchi-43mm-fork-design-and-impact.html)
http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/marzocchi-43mm-fork-design-and-impact.html (http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/marzocchi-43mm-fork-design-and-impact.html)
http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/marzocchi-43mm-fork-design-and-impact.html (http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/marzocchi-43mm-fork-design-and-impact.html)
link to extensive thread on fixing them here:
http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/more-on-craptacular-marocchi-43mm-forks.html (http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/more-on-craptacular-marocchi-43mm-forks.html)
short answer, put gsxr cartridges in them and drill a hole in the bottom of the cartridge to bleed the comp damping circuit for real fork action.
But does the hole in cartridge not play a function? What is it there for and what will
I lose if I close it up?
Here is a question..
Which adjustable forks will go on my bike with the least amount of tinkering?
S4, S4R, but they'll be on the stiff and harsh side.
Followed by S2R1000, but will be a bit soft and divey.
Quote from: Speeddog on October 27, 2014, 10:25:09 PM
S4, S4R, but they'll be on the stiff and harsh side.
Followed by S2R1000, but will be a bit soft and divey.
Ok so if I get s4 I would need to change springs to make more soft cause the stock Springer are for heavier bike?
Also can I use my stock rotors and calipers and mc..
Sorry for all questions but you guys helped me fix my broken fuel pump and with your help I intend to do this...
Quote from: cbcanada on October 27, 2014, 09:17:29 PM
But does the hole in cartridge not play a function? What is it there for and what will
I lose if I close it up?
the hole in the side of the original cartridge is a compression bleed, which effectively removes the compression damping from the first 65% or so of the travel. if you welded it up you would then have compression damping for the whole range of travel. might need lighter oil in that leg.
the hole you drill in the gsxr compression shim stack does much the same thing, but it is smaller (1.3mm) and mimics having the damping adjuster open an appropriate amount.
from springs i have measured i'd put the s4 springs in the 0.80 kg/mm range, which is lighter than I would fit. i'd lower the oil level though, and use 5 weight.
The adjustable forks I put on mine were billed as coming off an ST. They measured the same uncompressed as the Marzocchis that came off.
Same diameter as the Monster forks, so no mucking about with the triples.
Ok so I am leaning towards getting s2r1k forks because I won't have to fiddle with triple clamp boring issues
I will have linear springs put it. This is the better way to go right?
Can use my stock rotor and calipers on these forks?
Quote from: cbcanada on October 28, 2014, 07:33:18 AM
Ok so I am leaning towards getting s2r1k forks because I won't have to fiddle with triple clamp boring issues
I will have linear springs put it. This is the better way to go right?
Can use my stock rotor and calipers on these forks?
Better than what you have and probably worth it (depending on price and condition).
If the price is right it's not like you're going to waste money, since items like that 'easily' finds a new owner if you decide to take further steps later. Also; the S2R1000 forks are ready for quite a few levels of 'further steps' - including brake upgrades.
The S2R800 brakes fit straight on - no mods required.
Quote from: cbcanada on October 28, 2014, 07:33:18 AM
Ok so I am leaning towards getting s2r1k forks because I won't have to fiddle with triple clamp boring issues
you may have misunderstood some points.
all the ss, monster, st and sport classic forks are the correct size, even 900ss from 1991. but you need the 25mm axle and 65mm brake caliper spacing. so any 43mm upside down fork from ss, monster (2v and 4v), st or sport classic. the upper triple dia is 50mm, the lower 54mm on all.
forks that require triple clamp mods are sbk forks from 916 onwards, which are 53mm top and bottom. the ohlins are 53mm top and 56mm bottom. 748, 749, 848, 916, 996, 998, 999, 1098, 1198.
the st forks have a linear spring around 0.83kg/mm, which is not too bad. in an st they need more preload, but might be ok in a monster as is for you. s4 and s4r forks are similar in my experience. m1000 i don't recall, i don't have them on my list. ss1000 are the only forks in all the 50/54mm range that have "good" internal valving. but generally all the 2v monster and ss forks have crappy two stage springs.
so i'd say st, s4 or s4r.
if you were going to get them revalved to suit you, the non adj ones are actually better internally. like these st2 ones: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ducati-ST2-front-forks-/231364904381?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35de6c45bd (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ducati-ST2-front-forks-/231364904381?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35de6c45bd)
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............... m1000 i don't recall, i don't have them on my list. ss1000 are the only forks in all the 50/54mm range that have "good" internal valving. but generally all the monster and ss forks have crappy two stage springs.
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The Monster1000 has the same fork as the M900.
The ss1000 has a fork with correct hydraulic lay-out, but ridicilously soft shimming.
The "progressive" spring in the ss1000 has a spring rate of about 0.6 kg / mm for at least th first 40 mm of compression (my tester runs out of range above 40 mm compression).
Best potential result for the least (but some) effort in my personal opinion: ss1000 forks with upgraded shimming and linear springs. They are longer than the Monster/ST forks, so they only work on a Monster with clip-on bars since the stock bars are right over the fork legs.
Lots of advice on "best" solutions, I´m afraid ... :-\
Lots of good info I have been skimping through. Would these be a good set of springs for the S2R1K forks?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Race-Tech-Fork-Springs-0-80-KG-MM-FRSPS3234080-/311122619690?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3ADucati&hash=item48705a6d2a&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Race-Tech-Fork-Springs-0-80-KG-MM-FRSPS3234080-/311122619690?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3ADucati&hash=item48705a6d2a&vxp=mtr)
springs for 43mm forks need to be around 38.5mm od. generally racetech springs the first two # are the od in mm (roughly), the next two the length in cm. so 32mm od, 340mm long. the box says 31.7mm x 340mm.
and 0.80 is a bit light. i'd be starting at 0.85 for a monster with someone on the light end of average.
probably need a 3827 series spring. see almost the very bottom of this:
http://www.racetech.com/page/title/FRSP-RT%20Fork%20Spring%20List (http://www.racetech.com/page/title/FRSP-RT%20Fork%20Spring%20List)
Quote from: stopintime on October 28, 2014, 12:57:59 PM
Better than what you have and probably worth it (depending on price and condition).
If the price is right it's not like you're going to waste money, since items like that 'easily' finds a new owner if you decide to take further steps later. Also; the S2R1000 forks are ready for quite a few levels of 'further steps' - including brake upgrades.
The S2R800 brakes fit straight on - no mods required.
What's would you consider a good price for the 1k forks?
Quote from: brad black on October 28, 2014, 02:05:40 PM
you may have misunderstood some points.
all the ss, monster, st and sport classic forks are the correct size, even 900ss from 1991. but you need the 25mm axle and 65mm brake caliper spacing. so any 43mm upside down fork from ss, monster (2v and 4v), st or sport classic. the upper triple dia is 50mm, the lower 54mm on all.
forks that require triple clamp mods are sbk forks from 916 onwards, which are 53mm top and bottom. the ohlins are 53mm top and 56mm bottom. 748, 749, 848, 916, 996, 998, 999, 1098, 1198.
the st forks have a linear spring around 0.83kg/mm, which is not too bad. in an st they need more preload, but might be ok in a monster as is for you. s4 and s4r forks are similar in my experience. m1000 i don't recall, i don't have them on my list. ss1000 are the only forks in all the 50/54mm range that have "good" internal valving. but generally all the 2v monster and ss forks have crappy two stage springs.
so i'd say st, s4 or s4r.
if you were going to get them revalved to suit you, the non adj ones are actually better internally. like these st2 ones: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ducati-ST2-front-forks-/231364904381?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35de6c45bd (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ducati-ST2-front-forks-/231364904381?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35de6c45bd)
Great info... Lol just when I was decided in s2r1k you got me thinking again..
Okay I don't push my bike hard. I ride around city during week and the country on the weekends.. My main objective is stopping nose dives under braking and later on when I have more budget upgrading to 4 cyl. Calipers.
So keeping in mind budget and ease of Install..
St or 1k forks?
What if I got the 1k and put linear springs?
Quote from: cbcanada on October 29, 2014, 04:06:49 AM
St or 1k forks?
they're much the same forks, just with different springs ex factory.
Quote from: cbcanada on October 29, 2014, 03:58:46 AM
What's would you consider a good price for the 1k forks?
Since the ST fork, ref Brad, has linear springs, it'll save you money over S2R.
I don't follow the North American market, so I can't tell you anything useful about pricing.
Gotham has an ST fork which looks ok - at $ 500.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=ducati+monster+forks&_from=R40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xducati+monster+s2r1000+forks&_nkw=ducati+monster+s2r1000+forks&_sacat=0 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=ducati+monster+forks&_from=R40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xducati+monster+s2r1000+forks&_nkw=ducati+monster+s2r1000+forks&_sacat=0)
Will the ST forks will work with my current calipers and rotors without adjusting?
Quote from: cbcanada on October 29, 2014, 06:14:44 AM
Will the ST forks will work with my current calipers and rotors without adjusting?
Yes [thumbsup]
Okay I just today purchased from a board member s2r1k calipers, rotors, and master cylinder. I think for a real good deal too!
Now I need the forks! Lol
The ST forks will work with these right? I am not confined to just the 1k forks
No, not confined to S2R1000 fork.
You'll need new brake lines to fit the new calipers (different banjo fitting angles).
Quote from: stopintime on October 30, 2014, 05:32:22 PM
No, not confined to S2R1000 fork.
You'll need new brake lines to fit the new calipers (different banjo fitting angles).
What I picked up today comes with the brake lines already connected to the MC and calipers
The only thing I want to change is..
The 1k brake lever and the part that connects the lever to the MC is silver. I would like to change to black. I can get the black lever anywhere but what about the part between the MC and lever? Any thoughts?
I think the CRG levers feature that part black...
Call Jeff at MonsterParts to verify?
Okay I have found these 1998 st2 forks
It looks like they need new seals?
What does everyone think
http://flic.kr/p/pCAGXx
http://flic.kr/p/pCAGVZ
Those definitely need new seals, and oil.
I'd ask 'em to wipe off those sliders and take a couple of close up pics to confirm they're not pitted.
the showas generally don't leak, so i'd be wary as nick says.
Okay I will pass on those.. The search continues :-)
Offer $150. They need rebuilding. That's not a reason to pass. You can do it yourself and swap the springs to your weight if you need to.
Ok I found another set of forks on eBay... Says s2r1k but 2003,, did they make the 1k in 03?
Quote from: ducatiz on November 03, 2014, 09:50:26 AM
Offer $150. They need rebuilding. That's not a reason to pass. You can do it yourself and swap the springs to your weight if you need to.
I will ask but not too sure if he knows anything. I asked him if the forks are fully adjustable and he replied "he is not sure how can he check for it"
I have never owned fully adjustable forks so what's the best answer to give him?
Quote from: cbcanada on November 03, 2014, 09:56:36 AM
I will ask but not too sure if he knows anything. I asked him if the forks are fully adjustable and he replied "he is not sure how can he check for it"
I have never owned fully adjustable forks so what's the best answer to give him?
best answer is "$150 or bust, those forks are leaking oil like crazy and have to be rebuilt. in perfect condition, they would get about $250-300"
if the top of the fork has a screw insdie a nut, then it is adjustable.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 03, 2014, 09:50:26 AM
Offer $150. They need rebuilding. That's not a reason to pass. You can do it yourself and swap the springs to your weight if you need to.
i'd be concerned they're scratched, which is often hard to see until they're apart. the showa generally don't leak like that ime, so that's why i'd be suss. if the tubes are scratched that makes it a lot more expensive to fix.
Yeah I think i am passing on these
There is a nice set off an 1998 st2 looks in real good condition but they want $330 plus shipping.. I am hoping to find one off a member here
Quote from: brad black on November 03, 2014, 02:22:00 PM
i'd be concerned they're scratched, which is often hard to see until they're apart. the showa generally don't leak like that ime, so that's why i'd be suss. if the tubes are scratched that makes it a lot more expensive to fix.
Yeah, but that kind of scratch is usually visible in good pics. Id ask for more and stand on the low offer.
Quote from: cbcanada on November 03, 2014, 02:36:57 PM
There is a nice set off an 1998 st2 looks in real good condition but they want $330 plus shipping.. I am hoping to find one off a member here
That sounds like a good price.
Adjustable forks don't come up real often here, and they change hands quickly.
Quote from: brad black on October 28, 2014, 02:05:40 PM
if you were going to get them revalved to suit you, the non adj ones are actually better internally. like these st2 ones: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ducati-ST2-front-forks-/231364904381?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35de6c45bd (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ducati-ST2-front-forks-/231364904381?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35de6c45bd)
I picked up a set of these for my monster a few years back - I had mixed feedback at the time by people who supposedly knew what they were talking about as they weren't fully adjustable, but was assured they were the best option for what u was looking for. I have not been able to fault them.
Brad, I believe they are the older style ST2 fork - what is the difference technically?
Okay I just bought these st2 Showa fully adjustable forks
I believe my shopping list for the front end conversion is done?
Here is what i have bought so far
-st2 showas
-s2r 1000 rotors
-s2r 1000 calipers
-s2r 1000 master cylinder & lines
What i plan to do is
1. Paint the calipers
2. Paint the rotors
I can do these two alone :)
The below I will
Need your help.
3. Figure out how to convert the master cylinder from silver to black.. Can I paint?
4. Install the forks, rotors and calipers
5. Change brake fluid
6. Adjust my new front suspension :)
I should have all the parts by next week.
I am no mechanic genius but with everyone's help I was able to repair my fuel pump this summer.
So I am really looking forward to this.
One question right off the bat. How do I keep my front end up to take forks off? I am short in budget now so the most economic way would be great
Any special tools I need?
http://flic.kr/p/pHA8md
As I understand it, the carrier to wheel bolts can be difficult to get out. There's a procedure/advice that probably can be found here somewhere... including the correct type of Loctite.
Fork off: straps to the roof or to a double sided ladder with the bike already on a rear stand.
Why paint the calipers and carriers? (not so sure the result will be good...)
Painting the master is nuts
Just buy a black one.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 09, 2014, 04:37:02 PM
Painting the master is nuts
Just buy a black one.
Well I already paid for this and also all the s2r1k mc I find are all The silver COLOR ones
For the record I talking about the part that joins the lever to the fluid brake fluid reservoir
i don't recall seeing a silver s2r1000 m/c. it's not a s4rs radial style is it?
Quote from: brad black on November 09, 2014, 04:51:10 PM
i don't recall seeing a silver s2r1000 m/c. it's not a s4rs radial style is it?
This is what I mean when I say silver
http://flic.kr/p/q13n2Z
http://flic.kr/p/pHDZYu
Quote from: cbcanada on November 09, 2014, 04:47:13 PM
Well I already paid for this and also all the s2r1k mc I find are all The silver COLOR ones
the S2R1k master is just a silver version of the PS16. Same as on any other dual-rotor front Ducati Monster or SS.
Maybe I will just change the lever to black only do you guys think that will look silly
isn't the s2r1k rotor carrier black?
Quote from: ducatiz on November 10, 2014, 12:17:32 PM
isn't the s2r1k rotor carrier black?
Yes the ones I have are
If I remember correctly some SR1000s came with silver masters, some with gold. Your lever color? Your choice, that is what customizing is about.
Quote from: howie on November 10, 2014, 08:53:07 PM
If I remember correctly some SR1000s came with silver masters, some with gold. Your lever color? Your choice, that is what customizing is about.
It's funny tho if I search eBay for sr1000 masters they all are silver even in stock photos online
Look for stock s4 springs to replace the S2R 1k progressive. They are linear, fit perfect and the spring rate works perfect for the S2R 800. That is what I did.
generally set up for a rider at about 180lbs.
Cheap mod with spectacular results.
{EDIT} I just noticed you bought ST2 Forks. Not sure if they are identical to S2R 1k but if they are, then my advice still applies.
You dont need to upgrade the master cylinder on your bike. I've used the stock master cylinder for the brakes with S2R calipers. They provide a very linear feel. I've used someone elses upgraded master and the brakes were too grabby and not as progressive.
Quote from: EEL on November 11, 2014, 09:33:04 AM
You dont need to upgrade the master cylinder on your bike. I've used the stock master cylinder for the brakes with S2R calipers. They provide a very linear feel. I've used someone elses upgraded master and the brakes were too grabby and not as progressive.
Ps15 vs ps16
ducati have alternated b/w 15 and 16 for twin disc set ups over the years.
Quote from: brad black on November 11, 2014, 09:27:24 PM
ducati have alternated b/w 15 and 16 for twin disc set ups over the years.
Yup...and 5 /8"
I had an m800 before my S2R 800. The bike got totaled when I got sideswiped .I kept the old calipers for front and rear and the old lines from it.
Pretty much a bolt on swap.
http://p1.bikepics.com/2012/05/21/bikepics-2404095-full.jpg (http://p1.bikepics.com/2012/05/21/bikepics-2404095-full.jpg)
Quote from: EEL on November 12, 2014, 08:14:29 AM
I had an m800 before my S2R 800. The bike got totaled when I got sideswiped .I kept the old calipers for front and rear and the old lines from it.
Pretty much a bolt on swap.
http://p1.bikepics.com/2012/05/21/bikepics-2404095-full.jpg (http://p1.bikepics.com/2012/05/21/bikepics-2404095-full.jpg)
pretty bike, i have the same rear blinkers on
Installed them in the front too.. They poke up just enough to be seen in front but also stick in enough to create a halo reflection off the front windscreen thats visible to cars from the side.
Look great too and very effective.
Quote from: EEL on November 11, 2014, 09:28:22 AM
Look for stock s4 springs to replace the S2R 1k progressive. They are linear, fit perfect and the spring rate works perfect for the S2R 800. That is what I did.
generally set up for a rider at about 180lbs.
Cheap mod with spectacular results.
{EDIT} I just noticed you bought ST2 Forks. Not sure if they are identical to S2R 1k but if they are, then my advice still applies.
St2 springs are linear
Quote from: EEL on November 11, 2014, 09:33:04 AM
You dont need to upgrade the master cylinder on your bike. I've used the stock master cylinder for the brakes with S2R calipers. They provide a very linear feel. I've used someone elses upgraded master and the brakes were too grabby and not as progressive.
I got the sr1000 rotor calipers and mc. So I am going to change all. Not sure the 800 mc would work well with the 1000 calipers
Quote from: cbcanada on November 12, 2014, 07:59:53 PM
I got the sr1000 rotor calipers and mc. So I am going to change all. Not sure the 800 mc would work well with the 1000 calipers
the calipers on the m800 are identical to the calipers on the 1000.
exact. same. part.
Ducati used the same calipers on
almost all their
non-superbikes between 99 and about 2005.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 12, 2014, 08:05:55 PM
the calipers on the 800 are identical to the calipers on the 1000.
exact. same. part.
Ducati used the same calipers on almost all their non-superbikes between 99 and about 2005.
Wut?
800 yes. S2R800 no.
S2R800 Dark = 2Pot small calipers as used in M620 Dark/M695, as per DCS
Quote from: The Last In Line on November 13, 2014, 04:56:04 AM
All S2R800 Dark = 2Pot small calipers as used in M620 Dark/M695, as per DCS
FTFY :D
Quote from: Speeddog on November 12, 2014, 11:25:14 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on November 12, 2014, 08:05:55 PM
the calipers on the 800 are identical to the calipers on the 1000.
exact. same. part.
Ducati used the same calipers on almost all their non-superbikes between 99 and about 2005.
Wut?
Yup. Between 99 and 05. Notice i excluded some bikes and said "almost".
05 was the first year of the 2piston crapolas on thw s2r800, and the radials on the S4rs, but the 4-piston/2 pad brembos were still used on the S2R1k.
prior to 05, all the SS bikes, Monsters, MTS, etc had the same brembo 4-piston, 2-pad setup with 320mm rotors in front.
SBK had a variety of calipers, but bottom end models had them too.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 12, 2014, 08:05:55 PM
the calipers on the 800 are identical to the calipers on the 1000.
exact. same. part.
~~~SNIP~~~
That was the part that was unclear, especially in the context of an S2R800 thread.
Quote from: Speeddog on November 13, 2014, 02:00:31 PM
That was the part that was unclear, especially in the context of an S2R800 thread.
Ah.
I was replying to the m800 comment above. My bad.
One last question.. With all your help I got all of the pieces needed for the front end rebuilt and will start a new thread on the actual rebuild soon. But I am just curious should I upgrade the rear shock to now perhaps two are 999 rear shock? Or is there a need to any suggestions?
Ride the bike with the new front a while first.
Maybe/probably you'll find out that the shock has become the weak link.
Good luck [thumbsup]
Quote from: stopintime on December 13, 2014, 06:30:12 PM
Ride the bike with the new front a while first.
Maybe/probably you'll find out that the shock has become the weak link.
Good luck [thumbsup]
Will do. Don't forget to keep an eye out for my new front end rebuild thread to guys I'm going to need all your help over the winter :-)