http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2008/06/ducati-desmosedici-gp9-appears.html (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2008/06/ducati-desmosedici-gp9-appears.html)
They say there's no more trellis, which is a little bit emotional for Ducati, but a carbon fiber monocoque doesn't really sound too terrible.
Discuss...
Quote from: A.duc.H.duc. on July 22, 2008, 04:56:24 AM
but a carbon fiber monocoque doesn't really sound too terrible.
Discuss...
Sure it does. Monocoque is a French word! [puke] No Italian love there.
well, there's no way they can call it a ducati if it does not have a trellis frame. whats next? a wet clutch? NO SOOOOOUUUUUUL!!!!
[laugh]
Actually, I for one welcome our new monocoque overlords. Then in a few years we can have a monocoque Monster and really freak some folks out.
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=4363.0 ;)
Quote from: Ducatiloo on July 22, 2008, 09:47:13 AM
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=4363.0 ;)
Gall dern it. I even looked. Enough with the 696 talk already.
http://www.ducatimob.be/pictures/01c0c3949b1374023/000000952d0b50519/index.html
Quote from: supertjeduc on July 22, 2008, 10:33:33 AM
http://www.ducatimob.be/pictures/01c0c3949b1374023/000000952d0b50519/index.html
I'm not sure if it looks good naked or not.
Quote from: supertjeduc on July 22, 2008, 10:33:33 AM
http://www.ducatimob.be/pictures/01c0c3949b1374023/000000952d0b50519/index.html
Fugly..... [coffee]
interesting
I found this link.. enjoy...!! :-\ http://www.duccutters.com/AlexOrtner-1036CS.tpl
I believe this is a GP8, but I dont see the trellis any more..
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3083/2564378307_ae2c40dc6d_o.jpg)
And this link tells a little about a new frame..! http://www.montgomerybikers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55496
This is the only picture I was able to find that shows a C.F. frame, even if it is just a little pic..!!
(http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/crashnet/20080609/19/894322838.jpg)
But every one is talking about it so it may be the real thing..!!
Looks better with the trellis frame. Hold on to the Monster you have.
One thing to remember, The MotoGP bikes are purely prototype bikes, so anything seen on the MotoGP bikes does not mean it will make it into production.
In a recent interview with the designer (Sorry can't remember his name) (Ex F1 designer) he made the comment that with only minor changes to thickness and lay of the Carbon fiber they can tune the frame to suit individual tracks, but they held off further development until Stoner gave it his blessing, Which he since has.
Makes a lot of sense to me, They have been doing different Chassis in WRC and F1 for different tracks for a number of years.
Only a matter of time before MotoGP caught on.
I don't think our Trellis frames are going anywhere soon.
Yes, Juan, that Photo is of the GP8, seen that photo elsewhere, Photo's of the GP9 naked would be almost impossible to get hold of, Ducati will be immensely protective of the new Technology in the GP9, so if they do have the Fairing's off they will have all covers up and roller doors on the pit boxes closed.
If any Photographers got photographs of the GP9 naked, they would most likely have a Lawyer chasing them down the street with the threat of being sued back to the Dark ages if the Photo's got out.
Thinking about the economics, I can't see the CF mono coming to the Monster line. The Monster is Ducati's bread and butter. If they go with the CF mono frame, the price would go up and they would lose market share to the monster copies. Keeping the $$ within reach of the target market is key. CF mono is a cool, but mostly esoteric design thing. Maybe a premium priced 1098 feature.
We need to keep our trellis frame.....could they do a carbon fiber trellis frame???
Quote from: venomousr1993 on July 22, 2008, 06:18:11 PM
We need to keep our trellis frame.....could they do a carbon fiber trellis frame???
I think you'd have some issues with rigidity unless you increased the tubing size. I'm not an expert though.
Quote from: spolic on July 22, 2008, 08:32:19 AM
Sure it does. Monocoque is a French word! [puke] No Italian love there.
Maybe they could call it stuffed shells? [laugh]
OMG!! :o
I could really get to like a carbon framed Monster. Probably too expensive for production though.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn30/PizzaMonsterPics/blmmonster.jpg)
BLA it looks like the metal Asian frames. Check out my SV650 Ducati :-X
Quote from: venomousr1993 on July 22, 2008, 06:18:11 PM
We need to keep our trellis frame.....could they do a carbon fiber trellis frame???
They could, but it would pretty much defeat the reason to use carbon fiber to begin with.
If you're going to use carbon fiber you may as well exploit it's advantages rather than handicap the design as to not offend the purists.
Titanium Trellis frame [thumbsup]
Quote from: Ducatiloo on July 22, 2008, 10:39:47 PM
Titanium Trellis frame [thumbsup]
Doesn`t NCR do them?
Quote from: big bear on July 22, 2008, 10:48:56 PM
Doesn`t NCR do them?
Yes can't justify the cost though :-\
You can justify it as a motogp team! hell that one-off carbon frame has to be a gazillion dollars and somebody's first kid and left testicle [cheeky]
Quote from: ducducgooseme on July 24, 2008, 09:22:17 AM
You can justify it as a motogp team! hell that one-off carbon frame has to be a gazillion dollars and somebody's first kid and left testicle [cheeky]
Can I take yours for a spin when you get it?
Quote from: Ducatiloo on July 22, 2008, 10:18:57 PM
BLA it looks like the metal Asian frames. Check out my SV650 Ducati :-X
SVs have trellis frames....
Quote from: tangueroHondo on July 22, 2008, 05:32:21 PM
Thinking about the economics, I can't see the CF mono coming to the Monster line. The Monster is Ducati's bread and butter. If they go with the CF mono frame, the price would go up and they would lose market share to the monster copies. Keeping the $$ within reach of the target market is key. CF mono is a cool, but mostly esoteric design thing. Maybe a premium priced 1098 feature.
CF will probably become cheaper in the coming years ( at least that's what some people are saying) And as steel prices are going up, at some point it just may make sense to switch to CF.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ducati came out with a new model 1100s monster with a CF subframe in stead of the aluminium one on the 696.
Another thing is weight minimums: My 05 S2R (400 lbs) with me on it (200lbs) doing 70mph passing a truck on the I-5 gets shaky as it is. How much weight do we really want to take off of these cycles?
Quote from: A.duc.H.duc. on July 25, 2008, 04:51:32 AM
SVs have trellis frames....
I know I was on my feet, so that thinking quick thing just didn't work out.
Quote from: A.duc.H.duc. on July 22, 2008, 06:22:46 PM
I think you'd have some issues with rigidity unless you increased the tubing size. I'm not an expert though.
http://www.motoboerse.de/stage/search/vehicles.php?mode=detail&post_id=49147
Quote from: tangueroHondo on July 25, 2008, 09:39:07 AM
Another thing is weight minimums: My 05 S2R (400 lbs) with me on it (200lbs) doing 70mph passing a truck on the I-5 gets shaky as it is. How much weight do we really want to take off of these cycles?
As much as possible
Quote from: WannaDucBad on July 25, 2008, 12:51:59 PM
http://www.motoboerse.de/stage/search/vehicles.php?mode=detail&post_id=49147
Too bad I can't understang German, but looks like I'd have to sell my first born for that bike. Nice stuff on it too.
Quote from: tangueroHondo on July 25, 2008, 09:39:07 AM
Another thing is weight minimums: My 05 S2R (400 lbs) with me on it (200lbs) doing 70mph passing a truck on the I-5 gets shaky as it is. How much weight do we really want to take off of these cycles?
Lack of weight does not cause shakiness.
My bike is not more unstable with my girlfriend riding it (she's half my weight).
I think for the GP bike it makes a lot of sense as for the Monster, well it's a different look for sure. Much cleaner than the trellis. It still looks like a Monster to me and IMO looks way better than the new 695, which I can't stand. I've tried to like it, but it's just not working for me. Now the Hypermotard, that's a sexy new bike! I also like the 1098, it's the first Ducati sport bike I've ever liked.
I am keeping my 06 S2R 800 for sure since it's rapidly becoming a rare breed.