Just posted on their site:
http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes/street/1125CR/
I can't say I'm a big fan of the looks. I like the lightning much more.
[puke]
mitt
Meh..It's no MV
I saw one in the showroom about a month ago. It might make a good track bike.
I think it's ok. From what I read on the Buell site, they've made the ergonomics a bit more 'friendly', relative to the 1125R. That's good.
I wonder how long it'll take the Buell folks to build up a sport-tourer with that 1125cc mill. [evil]
THis won't be in dealerships for a while. I think you saw the 1125R. This is a brand new model announced today.
Quote from: mitt on July 22, 2008, 11:11:13 AM
[puke]
mitt
+1
It's even uglier than the 1125R.
Don't even understand why it exists ???
1125CR ap
21st century cafe racer? ???
:-X [puke]
That bike is fugly.
How can they call it a naked. I see only plastic pieces not engine.
Quote from: MendoDave on July 22, 2008, 11:31:41 AM
I saw one in the showroom about a month ago. It might make a good track bike.
Cycle world put the 1125R up against a 848 last month, and every test rider set their best lap times on the 848 for what that is worth.
mitt
Its time for Harley to get serious and field a racing effort.
A definite "F" for the design department on this one
Ugliest exhaust and the radiator covers kinda look like plastic ham hanging on the sides
The XB's are way sexier
Quote from: mitt on July 22, 2008, 12:07:21 PM
Cycle world put the 1125R up against a 848 last month, and every test rider set their best lap times on the 848 for what that is worth.
mitt
and thats after waiting to get a Buell that would start.
they are such ugly bikes
Somebody applied the thrusters in the wrong direction..... other than that, I think it's a step in the right direction. I don't like the R at all but this one has potential.
I've been waiting to see a naked version of the R. I was hoping they would dump the air scoops :-\. Let's see, if I could get a good deal on one i'd dump the scoops, get a round headlight and mini fairing off a Ducati. That might do it. From the rear it isn't that bad looking.
The latest issue of Motorcycle Consumer News did a test on the R. It was the first positive review I've read about the bike.
I think it is because it is an American company and because we once owned a Cyclone, I am pulling for this company. But if they keep making
bikes that look this ugly and have other problems, I fear for the company's future.
Wow that is just right down f-n just....damm that's an ugly bike. Those intakes look f-n terrible! What were they thinking?
I have a friend who owns a Harley dealership/ Buell and he said they can't give them away. They had them marked down to $11,000.00 with special financing (they had 8 on the floor)! The bike is not as bad looking in person as it is in pics, but the bike feels like a sport tourer. :P
I wonder if they got the FI woes sorted out on with this engine. They claim it to be a sporadic problem, but every review I've read about 1125R said the mapping below 6k rpm suuuuuucks. :-X
Talking with some engineers that are motorcycle fans, it seems like to make a competitive racing bike, you should not come up with 30 patents (or whatever Eric claims). Just copy what works on this planet - the physics your bike sees are the same as Ducati/Honda/Yam/Kaw/Suz, and they have been doing it well for a loooong time.
BMW did it - ditching the tele and shaft, why can't Milwaukee do it? Eric - loose the mickey mouse brake, oil in swingarm, fuel in frame crap, and take a course in chassis dynamics.
mitt
I've seen those scoops on other bikes before and they don't look so bad. :)
...of course they locate them properly and call them by the right name..........luggage. [roll]
The bike sort of looks like the Suzuki B-King because of the headlight and the large airscoops.
(http://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/B-KING/B-KING2_450.jpg)
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/212987/images/0-Buell-1125CR-black-2009.jpg)
Looks like a B-King that rear-ended someone. :-X
I would like the looks of the bike if it didn't have the side scoops (which actually hold two radiators), different haedlight, cleaner exhaust...huh...i guess i mean i would like the looks of the bike if it were an XB-series. To tell the truth i never saw potential in either the XB12, which i seriously considered buying, and the monster, until i saw both of them modded, both bikes greatly benefit from a tail chop, exhaust, etc. Total side note this is the Buell that made me really want to buy one
http://www.aluminum.nu/web/img/XB040107_a.jpg
Quote from: mitt on July 22, 2008, 04:32:45 PM
Talking with some engineers that are motorcycle fans, it seems like to make a competitive racing bike, you should not come up with 30 patents (or whatever Eric claims). Just copy what works on this planet - the physics your bike sees are the same as Ducati/Honda/Yam/Kaw/Suz, and they have been doing it well for a loooong time.
BMW did it - ditching the tele and shaft, why can't Milwaukee do it? Eric - loose the mickey mouse brake, oil in swingarm, fuel in frame crap, and take a course in chassis dynamics.
mitt
I said the same thing on another forum about Buells. Instead of making things different just to be different he should focus on one DESIGN PROBLEM at a time refine it and then move on. But if it ain't broke or you can't come up with a better way of doing something then it isn't a winner.
I really have high hopes for Buell. The 1125 should be a good contender - it has the numbers on it's side. I'm not so enamored with looks as are some, especially if the product does it's job well.
The big brake doesn't thrill me, but at what should be about 130 HP at the wheel and a good chassis, a 1125 should run with an S4RS, which is pretty good company in my book.
Give Eric some time and this could get interesting.
I wonder if Eric is involved with the MV thing at all?
LA
Meh, thing looks like something the master chief would ride, straight out of HALO.
I'm sorry, I just can't say anything other than give it up Eric !
Quote from: mitt on July 22, 2008, 04:32:45 PM
Talking with some engineers that are motorcycle fans, it seems like to make a competitive racing bike, you should not come up with 30 patents (or whatever Eric claims). Just copy what works on this planet
+11tyb...
He's trying to re-invent the wheel, and it's not working. All the wacky, kooky features (perimeter brake, oil in swingarm, etc) don't solve or improve ANYTHING...
-I've never met a person who has owned or ridden a Buell that
loves it. Everyone thinks they're "OK at best", me included. :-\
actually the 1125R abandoned the oil-in-swingarm. It's still fuel-in-frame, however. Take off those scoops and I'd buy one. Buell was actually on my short list before getting my duc, but they were such an unknown quantity I was apprehensive about picking one up. As said above, so many 'ground breaking' features makes me nervous.
On a side note, one of the guys I ride with has one and the thing is always dirty from leaking fluids. And from what I hear, at least in SoCal, the dealer support is terrible.
Andy
Dear Eric Buell,
However un-forseeable it may be.. you´re digging yourself into oncoming bankruptcy. How the hell could you actually produce three ugly ass motorbikes. Ok, one ugly ass bike could be forgiven, but THREE?? You´d think one learns from making mistakes.
I want to smoke what your designers are smoking.
I´ve lost all hope in your design capabilities.
[puke] [puke] [puke]
Quote from: NuTTs on July 23, 2008, 07:17:43 AM
Dear Eric Buell,
However un-forseeable it may be.. you´re digging yourself into oncoming bankruptcy. How the hell could you actually produce three ugly ass motorbikes. Ok, one ugly ass bike could be forgiven, but THREE?? You´d think one learns from making mistakes.
I want to smoke what your designers are smoking.
I´ve lost all hope in your design capabilities.
[puke] [puke] [puke]
Ouch! The truth hurts.
[laugh]
I remember seeing the Britten when it first appeared in print
(http://www.motosolvang.com/images_new/large/1995_Britten_V1000_02.jpg)
my first thought "ugly.... thats not what a bike should look like...wheres the frame?"
But then, when you look at it, you see the art mixed in with function. it worked.
Same goes with one of my favorite musical groups XTC. I always hate the new tracks when they first come out, but after going back and listening to them again..... I fall in love. You hear the art.
I try took at Buells the same way..... but they just dont get me to rethink my initial "ick" response.
I sometimes think, Eric is try'n too hard to be John.
Now all you need is the Darth Vader costume to match...yuk.
QuoteI sometimes think, Eric is try'n too hard to be John.
When I first read the comments that stated the Buell should stick with conventional design the first thing I thought of was
John Britten. I admire Eric for trying to be John Britten. Frankly I think it would be foolish to make another bike just like the
the Japs. I see no problem with fuel in the frame or the exhaust under the engine. The perimeter brakes may not be a success. And Eric
the Scoops, why? I think that the early tube frame Buells were great looking bikes but lately things are getting funky. I am concerned because
I really want Eric to make it. There are those that think we American's can't build a competitive sport bike. I'd say that we hardly build anything
anymore. I see Eric as one of our few hopes of showing the world that we still got the stuff to make the best. If he would just race this bike with
a good budget I'm sure he could sort out the problems and re-gain respect for American engineering and manufacturing.
it looks like that suzuki b-king in the front. mitt, I agree - - [puke]
Quote from: akmnstr on July 23, 2008, 09:17:41 AM
When I first read the comments that stated the Buell should stick with conventional design the first thing I thought of was
John Britten. I admire Eric for trying to be John Britten. Frankly I think it would be foolish to make another bike just like the
the Japs. I see no problem with fuel in the frame or the exhaust under the engine. The perimeter brakes may not be a success. And Eric
the Scoops, why? I think that the early tube frame Buells were great looking bikes but lately things are getting funky. I am concerned because
I really want Eric to make it. There are those that think we American's can't build a competitive sport bike. I'd say that we hardly build anything
anymore. I see Eric as one of our few hopes of showing the world that we still got the stuff to make the best. If he would just race this bike with
a good budget I'm sure he could sort out the problems and re-gain respect for American engineering and manufacturing.
Eric should be Eric.
The guy has skills, but he's made some huge mistakes. He became Harleys slave by signing a contract with them, and in his own words, the latest sportbike was the realization of design ideas he had YEARS ago. Uh hello.... it's 2008..... 1994 called, they want thier radiator scoops back.
Designs just to be different that suck, are just sucky designs. Designing something to work that just happens to be different, and having it work, is a success.
John, (IMO), made things to work, the look was secondary. Eric (IMO), designs things to look different, the function is secondary.
All that being said..... daring to dream, then taking an idea, and making it into something real takes balls. Eric failing, is what living is all about. He's out there trying, and thats way more than most people do.
I think, and hope, that someday, he will hit it big.
It looks like some kids toy i hate the styling
"Fisher Price My First Motorcycle" Thats what it should be called
Quote from: bobspapa on July 23, 2008, 09:31:14 AM
Designs just to be different that suck, are just sucky designs. Designing something to work that just happens to be different, and having it work, is a success.
John, (IMO), made things to work, the look was secondary. Eric (IMO), designs things to look different, the function is secondary.
Reading about Britten, he has the same attitude good designers and engineers have - if it looks good, it will work good & vice versa. Form is function. Beauty is not an accident or created, it comes from evolution and natural selection.
mitt
i got to ride an 1125r around road America last month. it was ok. had great power and decent handling. the brake worked ok. but i would never uy one. it vibrated excessively through the foot pegs above 8k rpm and heat just poured out of those pods onto my feet. everything above my knees enjoyed the bike, but my tootsies just wanted to get off.
i believe the pods are necessary due to erik's love of short wheelbases. there is just no room for a traditional front mount radiator. although he could do a rear mount, like the benelli tornado.
there is a race fairing kit that makes the 1125r look ok, but not in comparison to any other bike in any other dealers show room.
Mitt's got it right! Beautiful machines more often than not work well, too. And vice versa for the ugly ones. I haven't ridden one of these, but this bike sure starts out on the ugly side of the spectrum.
Quote from: AndrewNS on July 23, 2008, 04:55:56 PM
Mitt's got it right! Beautiful machines more often than not work well, too. And vice versa for the ugly ones. I haven't ridden one of these, but this bike sure starts out on the ugly side of the spectrum.
I can't agree. Sure the 1098 and 916 were beautiful in both form and function. But what about the BMW GS line. I have never gotten use to the
looks of those bikes but they set the standard for the adventure touring market. The same goes for the KLR. I hate the looks of the current
GSXRs but you can't say they aren't successful. KTM does not make a decent looking bike in its entire line but each is good at what it was intended to do. Lots of folks hate the looks of the 999 and the Multistrada but I have heard they are great bikes. I'd say your concept just doesn't hold up.
I think that HD should be paying some Attention to this guy...
http://www.motoczysz.com/main.php?area=home
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn327/supakpow/vegas10.jpg)
Michael Czysz
I saw a documentary on HDTV about him and the C1 and was blown away by the level of innovation coming out of his company. I saw the bike at Laguna last year and thought it looked awesome in person. Sounded even better! [evil]
this guy has everything going for him that Eric does but added to it he has a sense of what aesthetic appeal means. He also has new ideas that actually work. A totally in house engine design that is 180deg different than anything else around and works at superbike level on the first prototype made? Awesome!!!!
He probably would tell HD to leave the building if they came to talk to him though. He seams inspired by Italian design.
He also seems like a pretty nice guy. While they were out testing the bike at a track , the test rider was a former SBK rider (I think), the guy wrecks the bike!!! They were under a deadline to get the bike ready for Laguna or they were at serious risk of not getting any more money for development. They had about a million tied up in each of 2 bikes.
Michael Czysz reaction to the guy wrecking? Is the guy ok? Did he get hurt? No mention of the wrecked bike. The guy gets back and is profusely apologizing to him and he tells the guy not to worry that it's more important that he didn't get hurt than the bike being wrecked. And then huggs the guy and says that the bike can be replaced. WOW.
I know inside he was probably thinking I can't believe this just happened and wanted to pound the guy but he never let it show.
If I had money this is the guy I'd be helping , not Eric Beull.
FAIL.
i couldn't see myself getting home after a days ride on either of the buells, grabbing a beer and a lawn chair and sitting in the garage and just staring at the bike, listening to it cool, while i sip my beverage and have a smoke. their aesthetics just do not draw me in enough, and i really appreciate the quite moment i have with my bike after the ride.
Quote from: supakpow2 on July 23, 2008, 06:24:12 PM
I think that HD should be paying some Attention to this guy...
http://www.motoczysz.com/main.php?area=home
The C1 might be one of the most ridiculously WELL-engineered bikes ever made. I have heard that it truely is like riding on a rail. The mono-shock front-end is genius and maked a ton of sense if you think about it: The forks are functioning as one unit rather than two clamped-together independent units. Apparently some of the test riders (including Czysz) were stuffing the bike into corners WAAAY faster + harder than any bike should be, and it wouldn't even budge.
-Oh, and I heard the motor on a short YouTube clip... :o :o :o :o [clap] [clap] I almost pissed myself. A sideways staggered-4 engine?!?!?! The bike is honestly like nothing I've ever seen, but it doesn't look like a Transformer, as so many "innovative" motorcycles do these days. It looks like a MotoGP bike through and through.
**END OF THREADJACK, BUT SERIOUSLY CHECK THIS THING OUT**
Quote from: bobspapa on July 23, 2008, 09:36:04 AM
Eric failing, is what living is all about.
I honestly don't think HE thinks he is. In his interviews, he talks like his bikes are going to change the face of motorcycling forever.
Quote from: johnster on July 24, 2008, 05:48:07 AM
I honestly don't think HE thinks he is. In his interviews, he talks like his bikes are going to change the face of motorcycling forever.
Well he has changed the placement of the muffler. Underengine muffler placement is becoming the industry standard.
Buell is one of those companies I really want to see do well, but I just don't dig their bikes.
I like what they're doing with the product line, but I hope they have a different seat than the 1125R. I sat on one of those - after siting on bikes all day at the LA Bike show - and my butt hurt within 30 seconds. I've never had that happen before. But good luck to Buell. Be nice to see them, Ducati, BMW, etc racing in some kind of AMA liter class. Lord know where that's going.
Don't have a strong opinion on any Buells - I've only met one person who rides a Buell and he was a top tier douchebag like no other.
Normally I would say something in defense of Erik or his bikes , however I do believe that all
he does is design guitars and doesn't really have any input on the design.
I own a Buell in addition to a Duc , and I feel that they are a well built bike .
However , that THING is definitely an external hemmoriod on two wheels.
I could never understand how anyone would let something like that go into production ,
let alone with their name on it.
Hmm, seems I missed this thread somehow.....
Back when the 1125R came out, I recall thinking that I'd maybe buy one if they made a naked version. As this is the first time I've seen the CR, I have mixed feelings. IMO, the worst thing for me is that headlight/windscreen thingy. :P The radiator intakes I can live with, sorta reminds me of a homebrew (well-done, not a hack job) naked RC51 I saw a while back, brute functionality and all. It's bizarre enough that I think it could grow on a weirdo like me over time.
I've never owned a Buell (but have a couple of friends who have them), but I've always rooted for them - at least there's someone in the States trying to do something sportbikey, and they are fun to tear around on. I have to admit that the overall fit and finish of them from the XBs forward is better than some of the Euro stuff, especially after seeing an 1125R recently (which is better looking in person than in pics).
I'm seriously debating another bike purchase, likely next year. Current contenders for a spot in my garage are the 1100 HM, KTM 990 Super Duke, and the long-rumored naked 1098. Maybe even one of these 1125CRs, with a few select cosmetic mods.
Well, to me, it looks better than the standard R, which had the front end from a 1965 Ford Fairlane strapped to the triples as a fairing...but still, not what it could be appearance wise.
I am also one of those people who keep pulling for Buell. I actually really liked the appearance of the Firebolts and Lightnings, but they dropped the ball on the 1125s. I do wish he would ditch the perimeter braking, but the fuel in frame is not a bad idea. Of course...now that Harley owns MV Agusta and Cagiva (which means that Master Tamburini is onboard...at least for a while) I wonder what that means for Buell as a brand.
Looks like they mouted luggage on the front. :-X
good lord, how did a Buell thread hit 4 pages here? ??? ???
:P
Mostly because people want to express how god awful that organic looking growth coming out of the sides of that bike are. Can't say I like the exhaust another organic udder that looks like it's right out of a 55 chevy.
saw a few of these in person today. at least the 1125r is no longer the ugliest sport bike available.
Quote from: MendoDave on July 22, 2008, 12:09:46 PM
Its time for Harley to get serious and field a racing effort.
I think they are, just bought MV!! ;D ;D ;D
So know that Harley finally has some delicate bikes to look at, they maybe fix the butt ugly Buells...
I´ve seen all the latest models at the MotoGP race and wow...thats worse design than MZ or Hyosung.
Its good to know Agusta gets some fresh cash from uncle Sam..
A Brutale looks a lot like my next bike...
Quote from: bobspapa on July 23, 2008, 09:36:04 AM
All that being said..... daring to dream, then taking an idea, and making it into something real takes balls. Eric failing, is what living is all about. He's out there trying, and thats way more than most people do.
I think, and hope, that someday, he will hit it big.
+1 on this ...There was an article about Eric in one of the Euro mags not too long ago that kinda sheds some light on his ideas and goals. He's about trying and failing and trying again. [bacon]
And a dumb question. A Buel/Helicon motor? I thought they had Rotax motors, or did they change there name?
Quote from: Gavin on August 12, 2008, 11:04:05 AM
+1 on this ...There was an article about Eric in one of the Euro mags not too long ago that kinda sheds some light on his ideas and goals. He's about trying and failing and trying again. [bacon]
And a dumb question. A Buel/Helicon motor? I thought they had Rotax motors, or did they change there name?
It is a Rotax motor and the model is call the Helicon.
I think Eric is partly successful. His company is making and selling bikes. They just aren't all we want them to be.
Someday he'll make one that is the total package.
Eric gets to make a living following his passion and creating things in his vision. I'd say he's pretty successful [thumbsup]
Adam