Hi, me again :) I've fixed most of the problems with my duc! In fact, there's only 1 left that doesn't bother me that much so I'll look into it some other day, and possibly post here again ;)
This time however... I'm after a fuel map for s2r800 for full termis (well, silmoto italia in my case) + DP open airbox with filter. Long story short, I purchased DP kit with open airbox lid and sport filter. Ever since I've put the DP filter in it sometimes backfires through an airbox. I don't use the DP airbox cover because I ride in the rain, instead my OEM cover is cut off on top, but it's high enough all around to make it rainproof. Anyway, I obviously need new map, or I'm going back to OEM filter; I wrongly assumed DP map is for this/similar setup prior to purchase, but it's only for full termis.
Does anyone have one and wouldn't mind sharing? :) I'd be forever grateful!
There are some maps availible online but other than the DP, they have no descriptions:
2235LG01
2219PZ10 (Ducati Performance Exhaust)
2219DZ13
2218B18DZ12
2235B35LGPH
Perhaps one of them is for similar to my setup, but I cannot find any information about them. Any advice (other than take it to dyno and get custom map [cheeky])?
/e: I guess with this filter bike run a bit lean, so needs more fuel? I might try to edit this in the map by, lets say 5%, and see if it feels happy, what do you think?
QuoteFuel trim: Adjustment for the Fuel table F (in %)
Valve clearances set recently, and to what values?
TB sync done recently?
Quote from: Speeddog on February 06, 2020, 08:58:11 AM
Valve clearances set recently, and to what values?
TB sync done recently?
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=77763.msg1426179#msg1426179
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=77763.msg1429537#msg1429537
Doesn't mention tolerances.
This is what happens when you start multiple threads about an issue you're having. I know you think all these things are separate issues, but as you've seen, by having multiple threads details get buried.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 06, 2020, 10:16:11 AM
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=77763.msg1426179#msg1426179
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=77763.msg1429537#msg1429537
Doesn't mention tolerances.
This is what happens when you start multiple threads about an issue you're having. I know you think all these things are separate issues, but as you've seen, by having multiple threads details get buried.
I guess you're right, the way I look at it is if topic says "clutch drag", chances are I'm not gonna catch anyones attention for the fuel map.
Bike has been fully serviced last week. It runs as it should on OEM filter, with the DP filter it gets too much air and occasionally bangs under the tank and loses power for a second. It needs either OEM filter or adjusted fueling, hence the topic, I'm hoping one can share a fuel map with me! [roll]
Do you mean a flash load map for the ECU or a map for Powercommander unit?
Quote from: koko64 on February 07, 2020, 01:50:12 AM
Do you mean a flash load map for the ECU or a map for Powercommander unit?
Sorry I should have said that, it's map for the ECU that I'm after, ideally in .hex format.
/e: actually, PC III or V map would be perfectly fine too, from what I can see I can import table to OEM map to trim fueling through TuneECU :)
/e2: koko64, thank you for bringing it up! After your post I did some research and found that I can import PC map through TuneECU. More googling and I found a map on dynojet website for close to my setup! :) Description:
Quote723-504 European model-Arrow full RACING Exhaust (cat. removed), Ferracci Stage 2 airbox conversion kit, Stock ECU
I will give it a go this weekend, thank you so much! :)
If you have a DP map and didn't change any values the bike should be fine with the open lid. Um, assuming basic settings are correct.
Quote from: howie on February 07, 2020, 04:54:01 AM
If you have a DP map and didn't change any values the bike should be fine with the open lid. Um, assuming basic settings are correct.
I didn't change any values in the DP map (other than immo/idle), AFAIK DP map is set for full termis with stock air filter. Therefore it was fine with open airbox and stock filter, but I'm having problem with the DP filter which lets a lot more air in.
I'm saying "it was fine with stock air filter" but that's not exactly true, I didn't test it long enough so maybe I just didn't notice anything ;D I will however test ride the bike with current (DP) map and stock airfilter to confirm, then with dynojet map and DP air filter.
Ducati sold a DP kit: ECU, slip ons, cut air box and 'race' filter.
They also sold de-cat 'full exhaust' mid pipes - without any further mods, ECU or otherwise.
Both versions ran and behaved very well.
Quote from: stopintime on February 07, 2020, 05:56:55 AM
Ducati sold a DP kit: ECU, slip ons, cut air box and 'race' filter.
They also sold de-cat 'full exhaust' mid pipes - without any further mods, ECU or otherwise.
Both versions ran and behaved very well.
Interesting, the DP map I have is described "Monster S2R 800. Ducati Performance Exhaust", nothing about the filter so I assumed it's just for exhaust. I don't know where this map comes from, maybe it's not actually a copy of original DP map then. There's no official information anywhere (obviously), just few people on different forums saying it's the DP map. Perhaps it's not.
I compared the dynojet map to the map i currently use (the one I call DP), and by the look of it it will inject more fuel especially below 3k rpm. Looks optimistic.
Quote from: pmazdan9 on February 07, 2020, 01:07:14 AM
I guess you're right, the way I look at it is if topic says "clutch drag", chances are I'm not gonna catch anyones attention for the fuel map.
Bike has been fully serviced last week. It runs as it should on OEM filter, with the DP filter it gets too much air and occasionally bangs under the tank and loses power for a second. It needs either OEM filter or adjusted fueling, hence the topic, I'm hoping one can share a fuel map with me! [roll]
You can modify the title of your thread to indicate a different/additional problem.
It's just a suggestion, I don't really care.
The regulars around here typically will follow a thread until the OP stops posting. It helps them if all the info is in one place, is all.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 07, 2020, 06:49:27 AM
You can modify the title of your thread to indicate a different/additional problem.
It's just a suggestion, I don't really care.
The regulars around here typically will follow a thread until the OP stops posting. It helps them if all the info is in one place, is all.
Fair point, note taken! I'm used to other forums where threads get buried quickly due to number of new posts.
We like to see a thread through to its conclusion here and like documentation of the result so the data is available for others. [thumbsup].
You may have a slip on map from your description, in which case it will be way too lean. Open airboxes usually throw the AFR out and a full system has a considerable effect compared to slip ons. What do your plugs say?
If you have the means to import maps across different devices like that then that a really good thing. I have learned to believe the claims that healthy, identical fuel injectors can vary in flow by as much as 10%, so any imported map for identical modifications on identical models, even when derived from meticulous dyno tuning, is still just a baseline. Thats why I have a bias towards the PCIII and PCV with dyno tuning.
The PCIII map is a 'trim' or 'offset' map, it modifies the ECU's injection time up or down.
It is not a base map.
Just to confirm....
Speeddog is absolutely correct, I should have been more clear between a baseline tune and your base oem map in the ECU.
Pmaz, are you saying you can translate and apply the PC map data (% fuel) to your ECU map values or are you thinking of it as being in oem format? If you can add the percentages somehow then that might work. Is that what you mean?
Speeddog is correct in describing the PC maps as trim in addition to the ECU map, so its not a flashload per se like oem or Rexxer type maps, but icing on the cake.
tl;dr - I uploaded map, bike runs fantastic
You guys are correct the PC map is just a fuel trim, however using TuneECU I can import it into any map. I've downloaded PC map from dynojet and imported it into OEM map. Pic below shows OEM map just before applying fuel trimps from PC map.
(https://i.ibb.co/JzdWP1W/Screenshot-20200208-150213-Tune-ECU.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K9GcHPc)
Here's the map compared to my previous "DP" map - note the grey bits are the same on both maps, the rest is different. This is just for one cylinder, no point uploading more pics but you see the difference!
(https://i.ibb.co/0sW16SD/Screenshot-20200208-150720-Tune-ECU.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bbyYCZW)
There's a lot more things you can do using TuneECU, such as disabling immobiliser and oxygen sensor, resetting TPS, setting rpm limit, running various test (fuel pump prime, fans, switches, lights etc). You can read error codes, remove them, read things like manifold absolute pressure, ignition timing, clutch switch and what not. There's a lot of things to check out and it depends on the bike. Everything can be adjusted to your liking so you can create your own fuel map. I decided not to simply because I don't have enough knowledge and equioement, I'll stick to the dynojet map as I'm 100% happy with it.
In the process of uploading the map. After that, I did reset TPS.
(https://i.ibb.co/6b86QTK/20200208-152610.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K7DCnft)
(https://i.ibb.co/PGTG0nS/20200208-151816.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2383HQb)
I have adjusted idle in the map to let the bike warm up better. All fields are adjustable so rpm can be set to whatever you like in relation to engine temperature. Here's my setting, it drops to 1250 pretty much when the oil temperature is above 50 degrees. It did idle a little bit lower before uploading this map (1150-1200) despite setting it to 1250, now seems to be spot on 1250.
/e: To future readers. Idle adjustement is a no-no for bikes with no stepper motor as it will only add more fuel and not air. Here's the topic (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=77965.0) where we've had a little conversation about it ;)
(https://i.ibb.co/6w6BcMd/Screenshot-20200208-150605-Tune-ECU.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GpgTf6h)
(https://i.ibb.co/rGrC07v/20200208-160835.jpg) (https://ibb.co/995Fg8G)
And here's my duck :) There's few more things I'm gonna do with it, currently working on clear clutch cover (will pc it black as well), need to wire up smoked tail light with intergrated indicators, hide some wiring better and most importantly, I need to clean it ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/DQnzFBM/20200208-171238.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RcWYKX6)
(https://i.ibb.co/6P83KHc/20200208-161111.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mq0Ln9r)
(https://i.ibb.co/2ZZJLsZ/20200208-161055.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vXX9rQX)
(https://i.ibb.co/P1WrnnK/20200208-161140.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SVm688b)
Thank you guys for all your help and pointing me into right direction, I really do appreciate it!! I know it's best to actually take a bike to dyno and get a custom map. However, doing it this way I was able to disable immobiliser (which is why I did it all in first place), reset TPS, erase old error codes, adjust idle et etc and only costed me £35 for cables and app!
There's no more power loss or bangs through an airbox, it's very smooth even below 3k. I do get ocassional pops from exhaust but they sound healthy. It's perfect!
That is a great outcome, very impressive [thumbsup]. I note the facility there on the right of the screen "Import PCIII//V table" and "Apply Trims", that is great.
What Ducati model range does TuneECU give access to?
Thank you :) here's the list copied from their official website:
749, 848, 999, 1098, 1198 (ECU 5AMHW610 only) - USB & Bluetooth*
Hypermotard 1100 (not EVO) (ECU 5AMHW610 only) - USB & Bluetooth*
Monster S2R 800 & 1000, S4R (ECU 5AMHW610 only) - USB & Bluetooth*
Multistrada 600, 1000 & 1100 (ECU 5AMHW610 only) - USB & Bluetooth*
StreetFighter 848 & 1098 (ECU 5AMHW610 only) - USB & Bluetooth*
ST3 & ST4 (ECU 5AMHW610 only) - USB & Bluetooth*
Ducati models are only supported by TuneECU for Android
* Remapping only through USB
Ah yep, Marelli only and not Siemens ECU's.
Thanks.