s2r 800 - fuel map for full termis + dp airbox/filter

[pmazdan9]

Hi, me again I've fixed most of the problems with my duc! In fact, there's only 1 left that doesn't bother me that much so I'll look into it some other day, and possibly post here again

This time however... I'm after a fuel map for s2r800 for full termis (well, silmoto italia in my case) + DP open airbox with filter. Long story short, I purchased DP kit with open airbox lid and sport filter. Ever since I've put the DP filter in it sometimes backfires through an airbox. I don't use the DP airbox cover because I ride in the rain, instead my OEM cover is cut off on top, but it's high enough all around to make it rainproof. Anyway, I obviously need new map, or I'm going back to OEM filter; I wrongly assumed DP map is for this/similar setup prior to purchase, but it's only for full termis.

Does anyone have one and wouldn't mind sharing? I'd be forever grateful!

There are some maps availible online but other than the DP, they have no descriptions:
2235LG01
2219PZ10 (Ducati Performance Exhaust)
2219DZ13
2218B18DZ12
2235B35LGPH

Perhaps one of them is for similar to my setup, but I cannot find any information about them. Any advice (other than take it to dyno and get custom map )?

/e: I guess with this filter bike run a bit lean, so needs more fuel? I might try to edit this in the map by, lets say 5%, and see if it feels happy, what do you think?

Fuel trim: Adjustment for the Fuel table F (in %)

[Speeddog]

Valve clearances set recently, and to what values?

TB sync done recently?

[ducpainter]

Valve clearances set recently, and to what values?

TB sync done recently?

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=77763.msg1426179#msg1426179
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=77763.msg1429537#msg1429537

Doesn't mention tolerances.

This is what happens when you start multiple threads about an issue you're having. I know you think all these things are separate issues, but as you've seen, by having multiple threads details get buried.

[pmazdan9]

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=77763.msg1426179#msg1426179
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=77763.msg1429537#msg1429537

Doesn't mention tolerances.

This is what happens when you start multiple threads about an issue you're having. I know you think all these things are separate issues, but as you've seen, by having multiple threads details get buried.

I guess you're right, the way I look at it is if topic says "clutch drag", chances are I'm not gonna catch anyones attention for the fuel map.

Bike has been fully serviced last week. It runs as it should on OEM filter, with the DP filter it gets too much air and occasionally bangs under the tank and loses power for a second. It needs either OEM filter or adjusted fueling, hence the topic, I'm hoping one can share a fuel map with me!

[koko64]

Do you mean a flash load map for the ECU or a map for Powercommander unit?

[pmazdan9]

Do you mean a flash load map for the ECU or a map for Powercommander unit?

Sorry I should have said that, it's map for the ECU that I'm after, ideally in .hex format.

/e: actually, PC III or V map would be perfectly fine too, from what I can see I can import table to OEM map to trim fueling through TuneECU

/e2: koko64, thank you for bringing it up! After your post I did some research and found that I can import PC map through TuneECU. More googling and I found a map on dynojet website for close to my setup! Description:

723-504    European model-Arrow full RACING Exhaust (cat. removed), Ferracci Stage 2 airbox conversion kit, Stock ECU

I will give it a go this weekend, thank you so much!

[Howie]

If you have a DP map and didn't change any values the bike should be fine with the open lid.  Um, assuming basic settings are correct.

[pmazdan9]

If you have a DP map and didn't change any values the bike should be fine with the open lid.  Um, assuming basic settings are correct.

I didn't change any values in the DP map (other than immo/idle), AFAIK DP map is set for full termis with stock air filter. Therefore it was fine with open airbox and stock filter, but I'm having problem with the DP filter which lets a lot more air in.

I'm saying "it was fine with stock air filter" but that's not exactly true, I didn't test it long enough so maybe I just didn't notice anything I will however test ride the bike with current (DP) map and stock airfilter to confirm, then with dynojet map and DP air filter.

[stopintime]

Ducati sold a DP kit: ECU, slip ons, cut air box and 'race' filter.

They also sold de-cat 'full exhaust' mid pipes - without any further mods, ECU or otherwise.

Both versions ran and behaved very well.

[pmazdan9]

Ducati sold a DP kit: ECU, slip ons, cut air box and 'race' filter.

They also sold de-cat 'full exhaust' mid pipes - without any further mods, ECU or otherwise.

Both versions ran and behaved very well.

Interesting, the DP map I have is described "Monster S2R 800. Ducati Performance Exhaust", nothing about the filter so I assumed it's just for exhaust. I don't know where this map comes from, maybe it's not actually a copy of original DP map then. There's no official information anywhere (obviously), just few people on different forums saying it's the DP map. Perhaps it's not.

I compared the dynojet map to the map i currently use (the one I call DP), and by the look of it it will inject more fuel especially below 3k rpm. Looks optimistic.

[ducpainter]

I guess you're right, the way I look at it is if topic says "clutch drag", chances are I'm not gonna catch anyones attention for the fuel map.

Bike has been fully serviced last week. It runs as it should on OEM filter, with the DP filter it gets too much air and occasionally bangs under the tank and loses power for a second. It needs either OEM filter or adjusted fueling, hence the topic, I'm hoping one can share a fuel map with me!

You can modify the title of your thread to indicate a different/additional problem.

It's just a suggestion, I don't really care.

The regulars around here typically will follow a thread until the OP stops posting. It helps them if all the info is in one place, is all.

[pmazdan9]

You can modify the title of your thread to indicate a different/additional problem.

It's just a suggestion, I don't really care.

The regulars around here typically will follow a thread until the OP stops posting. It helps them if all the info is in one place, is all.

Fair point, note taken! I'm used to other forums where threads get buried quickly due to number of new posts.

[koko64]

We like to see a thread through to its conclusion here and like documentation of the result so the data is available for others. .

You may have a slip on map from your description, in which case it will be way too lean. Open airboxes usually throw the AFR out and a full system has a considerable effect compared to slip ons. What do your plugs say?

If you have the means to import maps across different devices like that then that a really good thing. I have learned to believe the claims that healthy, identical fuel injectors can vary in flow by as much as 10%, so any imported map for identical modifications on identical models, even when derived from meticulous dyno tuning, is still just a baseline. Thats why I have a bias towards the PCIII and PCV with dyno tuning.

[Speeddog]

The PCIII map is a 'trim' or 'offset' map, it modifies the ECU's injection time up or down.

It is not a base map.

Just to confirm....

[koko64]

Speeddog is absolutely correct, I should have been more clear between a baseline tune and your base oem map in the ECU.

Pmaz, are you saying you can translate and apply the PC map data (% fuel) to your ECU map values or are you thinking of it as being in oem format? If you can add the percentages somehow then that might work. Is that what you mean?
Speeddog is correct in describing the PC maps as trim in addition to the ECU map, so its not a flashload per se like oem or Rexxer type maps, but icing on the cake.