When did red keys start? I used to ride on a '00 900ie (2 yrs ago) and don't remember a red key...
Thanks!
Not sure but looks to me like they ended in 08 the last ones with red keys being in 07. My 2008 1098 just came with a key card. While my old 2007 695 came with the red key.
I think it was 2003, but that could be wrong.
Quote from: ODrides on August 12, 2008, 10:56:11 AM
I think it was 2003, but that could be wrong.
I got a red key with both my 07's (695 and S2R).
A red key came with the '08 S2R 1K.
The first Monster to have one was the 2001 S4.
The rest of the Monster line-up received the immobilizer in 2002.
I'm not sure when the red key/immobilizer was introduced to other Ducati models though. I'll see if I can find that.
And yes, the red key is being phased out. My new Hypermotard does not use a red key even though it still has an immobilizer and chipped keys.
none with 696
With my 07 and put that puppy in a safe deposit box......
Loose that and you are in trouble...
Quote from: myssrhl on August 12, 2008, 12:48:59 PM
With my 07 and put that puppy in a safe deposit box......
Loose that and you are in trouble...
So I don't have a red key but I have two copies of my key. Are you saying that if I want to make a copy of my key I can't?
Quote from: metallimonster on August 12, 2008, 01:14:36 PM
So I don't have a red key but I have two copies of my key. Are you saying that if I want to make a copy of my key I can't?
Actually, it's possible to get a copy of the key made that will work.
Clone might be a better term than copy since you have to replicate the chip info as well.
Here's more info. Sorry for linking to a VS site.
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?t=19941
What's the procedure for copying a key if you DO have the red key? I'm assuming:
Get a key blank somewhere.
Get the key blank machined properly somewhere.
Use your ignition, and your red key, to program the new key, somehow.
What goes in place of the somewhere and somehow? I'm sure this has been answered before; I just couldn't find it.
Quote from: trenner on August 12, 2008, 04:01:21 PM
What's the procedure for copying a key if you DO have the red key? I'm assuming:
Get a key blank somewhere.
Get the key blank machined properly somewhere.
Use your ignition, and your red key, to program the new key, somehow.
What goes in place of the somewhere and somehow? I'm sure this has been answered before; I just couldn't find it.
The somewhere is a Duc dealer. As far as getting the ecu to recognize the new key, that's where the red key comes in. There's a programming procedure with the red key.
Thanks for the help Rameses, I guess I'll just wait and see if I lose one of the two keys I have and then make a couple copies.
To elaborate on my above post, if you need to know the actual programming procedure it is detailed in your owners' manual.
If you don't have your bike's owners' manual, they are available for download at ducati.com (http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/service/manuals/2008.jhtml?family=manuals).
On the page linked to, there is a list of years on the left side to click on.
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Quote from: Rameses on August 12, 2008, 10:38:38 PM
To elaborate on my above post, if you need to know the actual programming procedure it is detailed in your owners' manual.
Doesn't look like it. There's a procedure for bypassing the key, using the code and throttle ("Procedure to disable immobilizer engine block through throttle twistgrip"). But nothing about actually programming a new key, except:
QuoteIf you need any duplicate keys, contact the DUCATI Service network with all the keys you have left and your CODE CARD. DUCATI Service will program new keys and re-program your original keys, up to 8 keys in total."
While this is no doubt true, it leaves inquiring minds wanting more. I thought that there was a sequence of inserting a black key, inserting a red key, inserting a blank key, inserting the red key again, something like that, that worked with a machined blank, your red key, your bike, with nothing else required. No? Did I dream this?
Quote from: trenner on August 13, 2008, 02:39:40 PM
Doesn't look like it. There's a procedure for bypassing the key, using the code and throttle ("Procedure to disable immobilizer engine block through throttle twistgrip"). But nothing about actually programming a new key, except:
While this is no doubt true, it leaves inquiring minds wanting more. I thought that there was a sequence of inserting a black key, inserting a red key, inserting a blank key, inserting the red key again, something like that, that worked with a machined blank, your red key, your bike, with nothing else required. No? Did I dream this?
That's correct.
From what I've been able to find, that sequence is supposedly in the owners' manual somewhere.
I thought I remembered reading it in my S4 manual, but I have no idea where that is now.
Okay, I found the sequence. It's not that complicated.
Start the bike with the red key.
Turn the bike off.
Within 20 seconds start the bike with the new black key and turn it back off.
The ecu is now programmed to recognize the chip in the new black key.
Here is a guy who says he can clone keys. Who's gonna take one for the team and try him out? Not a bad deal if he's legit.
http://www.motorcyclekeys.com/ducatichipkey.html
Quote from: DucatiScott on August 13, 2008, 04:32:05 PM
Here is a guy who says he can clone keys. Who's gonna take one for the team and try him out? Not a bad deal if he's legit.
http://www.motorcyclekeys.com/ducatichipkey.html
Let me get this straight...
The guy advertises that he has the ability to clone keys and wants people to give him a key and their address??
Quote from: Rameses on August 13, 2008, 05:12:24 PM
Let me get this straight...
The guy advertises that he has the ability to clone keys and wants people to give him a key and their address??
Only if you do not have the red key
Quote from: GLantern on August 14, 2008, 06:52:29 AM
Only if you do not have the red key
I think Rameses point is that if you do this, you've now got a guy who knows where your bike is located and who could have cloned a key for himself. Thus, easy to steal.
Not a bright idea.
Quote from: JBubble on August 14, 2008, 06:59:37 AM
I think Rameses point is that if you do this, you've now got a guy who knows where your bike is located and who could have cloned a key for himself. Thus, easy to steal.
Not a bright idea.
I understand the point however if you have your red key there is no way for him to obtain a copy of your key. You could also use another person's address to ship the blank too. I do understand the problem though with not having a red key and sending this person one of your keys to be duplicated. Maybe someone who lives in this guys area could go check him out?