Ladies and Gentlemen....
I'm not used to hanging out in places where "everyone" is so friendly, constructive, polite and helpful. Here in Norway, or maybe in Europe as a whole, forums and biker hang outs are often not anything like the DMF. It has been and continues to be a very nice experience. It has doubled the value of my ownership.
Why is it so? I know that Americans are considered to be outgoing - which is also my experience - do you think that's the explanation or has it something to do with the Ducati/small brand/"soul"? I've also been thinking that only good people will spend time helping others online, but that would then also apply for other forums - which it doesn't.
Thoughts?
Americaaa make the beast with two backs yeaaa...
coming to save the mother make the beast with two backsing day yeaaaaa
[thumbsup]
I have to say that not everyone here is "friendly, constructive, polite and helpful" as you put it ... BUT (big BUT here) the vast majority are (as with any community, you will find naysayers and assholes, this place just happens to be full of very friendly people).
And its nice to know that if you have a question you can come here and ask. I don't know if its limited to americans though. I have a tendency to believe its the folks that set up this place. They treat people with respect and expect others to do the same.
There's also plenty of other places for people to play if they don't want to buy into the friendly, generally pc atmosphere here so that helps as well. People have an option of sandboxes to play in and can find a place that fits them best.
I agree, but when the two largest Monster forums (DML and now the DMF) have both been/is unique, I'm wondering why these in particular have ended up being run by moderators/flounders and supported by "good" people. Anything to do with the model/brand?
Anyway, I'm still thinking it must be (just a little?) connected to the US spirit.
To prove my point- who else would consider me to be a ....... (see next post)
Hero Member [beer] Thank you for playing......
[roll] ;D
Quote from: stopintime on August 21, 2008, 06:30:40 PM
I agree, but when the two largest Monster forums (DML and now the DMF) have both been/is unique, I'm wondering why these in particular have ended up being run by moderators/flounders and supported by "good" people. Anything to do with the model/brand?
Anyway, I'm still thinking it must be (just a little?) connected to the US spirit.
To prove my point- who else would consider me to be a ....... (see next post)
They really aren't two seperate forums that happened to both be cool. This is just the true membership of TOB that migrated.
Hmmmm. . .
Can't really agree with the American aspect, as the forum is worldwide.
And not everyone is friendly/helpful/courteous all of the time.
We all have bad patches.
I think a large part of it IS the flounders.
If someone wants to be an asshole, and won't take a hint, they get das boot, and go elsewhere.
Works for me.
It's funny I've met a couple of DML/DMF'ers on rides in random places. These guys also happen to be really nice and want to hang no matter the difference in skill.
Quote from: Bun-bun on August 21, 2008, 08:02:50 PM
I think a large part of it IS the flounders.
Yeah, I think it's the flounders as well. ;D ???
Quote from: kopfjager on August 21, 2008, 08:16:11 PM
Yeah, I think it's the flounders as well. ;D ???
Forgive me if i'm just not catching on if you're joking but if you didn't know, flounders = founders = ducpainter, statler, etc.
Do you guys not know about the prozac-infused seats that DNA sells? 8)
Quote from: ducatizzzz on August 21, 2008, 08:48:36 PM
Do you guys not know about the prozac-infused seats that DNA sells? 8)
Ambien.....
This forum is unique, and not because it is a Ducati forum, it just is. As hbliam said, the DMF is a continuation of TOB. Our Flounders also play an important part with their hard work and great approach to moderating. Our members like you from the other side of both ponds add a special flavor to this forum also.
All I know is the Flounders pay me in Valium...
I LOVE this place.
DMF greatness is not limited to being an "American". If you go into the Australia and Japan sections, you'll find people who are just as cool and helpful!!
The reason this place is so great is because the "flounders" and members alike actually care about the board and what it means to all of us.
Most people here are highly educated-working professionals and mature enough to respect the board rules. It's a mellow atomosphere and most people remain civil..even in heated discussions. It's not about arguing about our differences. It's not about my bike is bigger, better or faster than yours. It's about riding and being a part of the Ducati community.
I've been fortunate enough to have met a couple DM(L)F'ers since joining in '02. I've ridden with and welcomed them (sometimes even complete strangers) into my home and vice-versa. I've made several life-long friends in here!
You are right though. It is a great place and I intend on staying a long time..even if it means putting up with the inevitable iz_IZ_nailsstungbyabeemovingagainnamechangejokes!
[cheeky]
Quote from: darylbowden on August 21, 2008, 09:29:02 PM
All I know is the Flounders pay me in Valium...
Nate is old enough to have a stash of quaaludes for ya! [laugh]
As many of the other posters have already said, this place just feels right for most of us. It's fun, informative, not pretentious, etc.
Plus, where else can we pick on IZ continually? ;)
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on August 21, 2008, 10:59:30 PM
Plus, where else can we pick on IZ continually? ;)
What's not to love about that?!?! [evil] ;D
Sorry, I missed IZ when he was in Seattle.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on August 21, 2008, 10:59:30 PM
Plus, where else can we pick on IZ continually? ;)
Only because he keeps confusing processed turkey parts for [bacon]
I love this place [thumbsup]
Quote from: stopintime on August 21, 2008, 06:02:00 PM
Why is it so? I know that Americans are considered to be outgoing -
Americans are considered outgoing? I thought we were arrogant assholes?
Whatever though. This board is worldwide. Everyone here has some good about them. [drink]
Must be a combination of both I think.
German Ducati forums I tried are very...strange...gaskrank...posh...and make you feel you are the noob.
But I don't think I would like an American Harley forum that much either ;)
I love this place...Stars´n´ [bacon]
As with other relationships or aspects of life I will try to focus on the fact that it just feels right and not question why.
I'm having a constructive and developing year. Riding my Monster and being here are contributing factors.
Thank you all [thumbsup]
The DMF is one of the better forums it tends to have more veteran members. By that i mean folks who have been around bikes a bit, had a few in their time and tend to know their onions. Enthusiasts if you like.
And people who do their own work/mods.
My pet hate is cheque book bandits. Any fool can order a stack of parts and have somebody else fit them.
Theres alot of bikes here with more depth than that.
There are the others here too tho.
members with 3 posts which are all " i've bought a s4rs tricolore how can i make it faster" or "should i buy a s4rs or a 848/"
And the folks who only have a bike cos its trendy and their Ducati is a fashion acessory.
There seem to be more of them on other forums
I have read all of the responses and agree with much of what was said...my thoughts follow.
From what some others have said, it appears that the American aspect has something to do with the style and substance of this Forum...at least I want to think so since I am a "Merican". But IMO it is more the fact that Ducatis have never generally been a riders first bike. So many people want to follow the crowd. The younger set of followers want the latest, highest HP, best press in the MC rags, 600 or liter crotch rocket. The older crowd of followers want the Harley...."If you don't ride a Harley, you ain't $hit" kinda attitude.
Ducati riders eschew that whole mind set and though they buy Ducatis for different reasons I think that many of them deisre the unique, something that can't be found on every street, a bike passers by look at and wonder a bit about.
That said, I think many of us are kindred spirits and though we have our differences, we can relate to our fellow Duck riders and, like them or not, we have a connection with them and thus some level of respect.
I would also guess that the average Ducati owner is older than the average Japanese sport bike owner...Maturity leads to far less penis comparing, a higher level of respect for others and willingness to be open minded and see both sides of an issue. Those qualities seem to foster an interested and helpful attitude a less selfish mindset.
Quote from: Old-Duckman on August 22, 2008, 05:25:09 AM
I have read all of the responses and agree with much of what was said...my thoughts follow.
From what some others have said, it appears that the American aspect has something to do with the style and substance of this Forum...at least I want to think so since I am a "Merican". But IMO it is more the fact that Ducatis have never generally been a riders first bike. So many people want to follow the crowd. The younger set of followers want the latest, highest HP, best press in the MC rags, 600 or liter crotch rocket. The older crowd of followers want the Harley...."If you don't ride a Harley, you ain't $hit" kinda attitude.
Ducati riders eschew that whole mind set and though they buy Ducatis for different reasons I think that many of them deisre the unique, something that can't be found on every street, a bike passers by look at and wonder a bit about.
That said, I think many of us are kindred spirits and though we have our differences, we can relate to our fellow Duck riders and, like them or not, we have a connection with them and thus some level of respect.
I would also guess that the average Ducati owner is older than the average Japanese sport bike owner...Maturity leads to far less penis comparing, a higher level of respect for others and willingness to be open minded and see both sides of an issue. Those qualities seem to foster an interested and helpful attitude a less selfish mindset.
so does gender ;)
Quote from: DuCaTiNi on August 22, 2008, 05:27:19 AM
so does gender ;)
Specialy now they can pee standing up ;D
http://www.shewee.com/ (http://www.shewee.com/)
It's definitely the people - I belong to a forum for Honda CBRs. It is a mixed bag - lot of knowledgeable people but squid infested.
Quote from: RobJohn3 on August 22, 2008, 08:40:28 AM
It's definitely the people - I belong to a forum for Honda CBRs. It is a mixed bag - lot of knowledgeable people but squid infested.
??? ???
(http://www.mbayaq.org/efc/living_species/organism_images/lsl_livedeep_m005.jpg)
it is great because I am here.
[laugh] rrrrright.
this place is what it is.
it's because I'm here... not teddy ;)
I'm the center of the fun universe.
Fun surrounds me like fur on a teletubbie.
[laugh]
or...... maybe cuz the people here are awesome.
DMF
Ducati Monster Family
I would say it is mostly the demographic the bike lends itself too.
It isn't really the chick magnet/ wiener measuring type of bike. You could get something faster for way cheaper with more "aggressive" styling.
I think the bike is about appreciating the finer qualities of a bike. Look at the S2R swing arm for example, they put some work in the aesthetics of that thing (maybe they should have put some of that effort in the mirrors). Sure there are pretentious pricks about out on them and you hear about that here on occasion, case in point is the guy one member met on a tri-colore. Pretentious pricks aren't really the type to regular a motorcycle board though.
You don't have too many squids, because they're expensive to fix. So unless you are actually good and knowledgeable at riding a bike you aren't going to be to risky with something that's going to put quite the ding in your pocket, especially since most squids are fairly young and have a lack of expendable income.
So you have a mostly higher income group of people that are somewhat aged, (I haven't heard from too many 18-21 year olds) that aren't likely to be too pretentious of pricks seeing as they pass their time on a forum board for a motorcycle rather than fine wines and cigars, that appreciate what sets their bike apart, its made up of nicer bits that can be swapped out for even nicer bits.
The older group probably makes the biggest difference. When I would get on the Jeep Forum, it was the kids that f'ed it all up.
Quote from: fwtcc on August 22, 2008, 10:21:07 AM
The older group probably makes the biggest difference. When I would get on the Jeep Forum, it was the kids that f'ed it all up.
Waldorf??
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Quote from: fwtcc on August 22, 2008, 10:21:07 AM
I would say it is mostly the demographic the bike lends itself too.
It isn't really the chick magnet/ wiener measuring type of bike. You could get something faster for way cheaper with more "aggressive" styling.
I think the bike is about appreciating the finer qualities of a bike. Look at the S2R swing arm for example, they put some work in the aesthetics of that thing (maybe they should have put some of that effort in the mirrors). Sure there are pretentious pricks about out on them and you hear about that here on occasion, case in point is the guy one member met on a tri-colore. Pretentious pricks aren't really the type to regular a motorcycle board though.
You don't have too many squids, because they're expensive to fix. So unless you are actually good and knowledgeable at riding a bike you aren't going to be to risky with something that's going to put quite the ding in your pocket, especially since most squids are fairly young and have a lack of expendable income.
So you have a mostly higher income group of people that are somewhat aged, (I haven't heard from too many 18-21 year olds) that aren't likely to be too pretentious of pricks seeing as they pass their time on a forum board for a motorcycle rather than fine wines and cigars, that appreciate what sets their bike apart, its made up of nicer bits that can be swapped out for even nicer bits.
The older group probably makes the biggest difference. When I would get on the Jeep Forum, it was the kids that f'ed it all up.
Amen, there a few pretenders here but they stand out like a sore thumb.
Quote from: Capo on August 22, 2008, 11:10:06 AM
Amen, there a few pretenders here but they stand out like a sore thumb.
ducatiflyboy comes to mind...
Quote from: fwtcc on August 22, 2008, 12:04:56 PM
ducatiflyboy comes to mind...
What...he only needed 5 bucks from each of us....
[laugh]
Quote from: ducatizzzz on August 22, 2008, 10:27:28 AM
Waldorf??
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He couldn't hear you without his hearing aid so I'll say bite me for him
;D
Quote from: Statler on August 22, 2008, 12:50:32 PM
He couldn't hear you without his hearing aid so I'll say bite me for him
;D
I just ignored it, I am probably one of the younger people on the board.
Though at this point, fwtcc is pretty lame...
Statler, may I be your Waldorf?
we already have one. He completes me.
He's Canadian.
DAAAMMMNNN YOOOOUUUU!!!!!!
[shaking fist]
Really, it was Randall that made us what we are today [roll]
I agree with BP - this is more like a family [thumbsup]
And as we all know, ALL families are dysfunctional on some level - that fits here as well ;)
Quote from: Statler on August 22, 2008, 12:50:32 PM
He couldn't hear you without his hearing aid so I'll say bite me for him
;D
ROFL... If you remember correctly from TOB, I was the one who pointed out that you and the other guy acted like the old farts from the muppet show, that was back when you were "Lawyer". Next I know you changed your name and avatar.
Quote from: fwtcc on August 22, 2008, 01:06:27 PM
I just ignored it, I am probably one of the younger people on the board.
oo, the truth hoits!
Quote from: bobspapa on August 22, 2008, 09:21:31 AM
it's because I'm here... not teddy ;)
I'm the center of the fun universe.
Fun surrounds me like fur on a teletubbie.
[laugh]
'tis true. BP has teh AWSEOM!!!
I just sell pictures of him at the airport ;D
beer
Quote from: ducatizzzz on August 22, 2008, 02:16:55 PM
ROFL... If you remember correctly from TOB, I was the one who pointed out that you and the other guy acted like the old farts from the muppet show, that was back when you were "Lawyer". Next I know you changed your name and avatar.
hahahahhaha. I didn't remember it was you. I used to tell it as 'some person' said..... now I can give you credit for creating 'statler'
awesome.
;D
Folks, it's not the bikes, it is us and the Flounders. Ask anyone who remembers the Ducati Index.
Quote from: teddy037.2 on August 22, 2008, 05:19:03 PM
'tis true. BP has teh AWSEOM!!!
I just sell pictures of him at the airport ;D
still waiting on my cut 8)
It seems to me that when we had the old Forum , most of us were for the most part very happy to be a part of that community.
Then all of a sudden when we the proliteriate found out that we were being sold out so to speak, we posted a 28 page thread and poured out our emotions about how could this be happening to our happy little Ducati community.
I felt like my best girl had just written me a Dear John letter telling me it was over.
It smacked me right between the eyes. I didn't want to believe it was possible .
It was depressing loosing my Ducati family. I was at a lose and thought about the great times and the times I got hammered for some of the things I had said or done with my bike.
When the new owners emailed me to come back I took a look and Iit made me sick. I couldn't go there .
I had communicated w/ some old members as to the likelyhood of putting a new Forum together but didn't hold out much hope.
Then one day I got word of this DMF link and when I got here and recognized old names and the Flounders and read the rules I felt like I had died and gone to Heaven !
I think many of us are so glad that we were given another chance to be w/ our Ducati friends and we were in on the making of a new entity and we the members were going to make it our own Forum w/ the Flounders at the helm steering us in the right direction without a heavy hand. Therefore we ( I ) felt that what was going to make this the best Forum was RESPECT of other members which in turn would mean RESPECT for each individual member.
We have been given a lot of RESPECT and we only need to be RESPECTIVE of each other.
That to me is what makes us ( DMF ) different from the rest. RESPECT and a love of all things Ducati. Dolph
Quote from: bobspapa on August 22, 2008, 08:52:15 PM
still waiting on my cut 8)
it's a slow start... I sould hand them out w/cheezy bacon taters to drum up interest ;D
Quote from: DoubleEagle on August 22, 2008, 09:10:08 PM
It seems to me that when we had the old Forum , most of us were for the most part very happy to be a part of that community.
Then all of a sudden when we the proliteriate found out that we were being sold out so to speak, we posted a 28 page thread and poured out our emotions about how could this be happening to our happy little Ducati community.
I felt like my best girl had just written me a Dear John letter telling me it was over.
It smacked me right between the eyes. I didn't want to believe it was possible .
It was depressing loosing my Ducati family. I was at a lose and thought about the great times and the times I got hammered for some of the things I had said or done with my bike.
When the new owners emailed me to come back I took a look and Iit made me sick. I couldn't go there .
I had communicated w/ some old members as to the likelyhood of putting a new Forum together but didn't hold out much hope.
Then one day I got word of this DMF link and when I got here and recognized old names and the Flounders and read the rules I felt like I had died and gone to Heaven !
I think many of us are so glad that we were given another chance to be w/ our Ducati friends and we were in on the making of a new entity and we the members were going to make it our own Forum w/ the Flounders at the helm steering us in the right direction without a heavy hand. Therefore we ( I ) felt that what was going to make this the best Forum was RESPECT of other members which in turn would mean RESPECT for each individual member.
We have been given a lot of RESPECT and we only need to be RESPECTIVE of each other.
That to me is what makes us ( DMF ) different from the rest. RESPECT and a love of all things Ducati. Dolph
don't forget that some of the old admins are still over at TOB.. i wonder if they lurk here?
Quote from: IZ on August 21, 2008, 09:39:00 PM
I've been fortunate enough to have met a couple DM(L)F'ers since joining in '02. I've ridden with and welcomed them (sometimes even complete strangers) into my home and vice-versa. I've made several life-long friends in here!
I'm currently sitting in another members house on the opposite side of the planet from where I live, borrowing bandwidth from a different DMF members wireless network, with yet another DMF members truck that's been lent to me parked outside :-)
In general, I find a _much_ higher percentage of people on here just *ROCK!* compared to "the real world"...
big
Quote from: bigiain on August 23, 2008, 06:50:00 PM
I'm currently sitting in another members house on the opposite side of the planet from where I live, borrowing bandwidth from a different DMF members wireless network, with yet another DMF members truck that's been lent to me parked outside :-)
In general, I find a _much_ higher percentage of people on here just *ROCK!* compared to "the real world"...
big
That is awesome!
I've had longer, friendlier phone conversations with sponsors and board members than with my close friends.
Parts loaned to me. And a thousand helpfull sugestions when i needed them.
This group is by far the best there is. [thumbsup]
Quote from: JBubble on August 21, 2008, 06:11:50 PM
I don't know if its limited to americans though. I have a tendency to believe its the folks that set up this place. They treat people with respect and expect others to do the same.
THSAT is whats key; "give respect to get respect" .... oh and a couple of friendly europeans and canadaians too; ah. [thumbsup]
Most of the people everywhere.... [thumbsup]
Quote from: bigiain on August 23, 2008, 06:50:00 PM
I'm currently sitting in another members house on the opposite side of the planet from where I live, borrowing bandwidth from a different DMF members wireless network, with yet another DMF members truck that's been lent to me parked outside :-)
In general, I find a _much_ higher percentage of people on here just *ROCK!* compared to "the real world"...
big
Considering I managed to walk down Oslo, spot a Monster, and talk to Stopintime for about 3 hours despite the fact he was probably wet and cold from standing out for a while, yes, I'd agree with that sentiment. [beer]
P.S. normally jetlag isn't bad, but Typhoon Nuri destroyed my attempted sleeping pattern, so I'm currently ~12 hours out.
Haven't been here long, but I've learned a lot and I love this place. Member for life! [thumbsup]
I've been eyeballing the m696 for a few months now. I finally sold my suzuki, so I'm ordering the 696 tomorrow! I've been reading on this forum for months and have learned a ton about the bike before I've even seen it in person. It's awesome to have this wide of a knowledge base before you have the bike in your possession! Thanks to everybody!
Bumpity bump [wine]
More love, anyone?
mucho grande love
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Damnit bp, quit! Everytime I see that bike I drool (yes, thats different from normal).
So pretty and delicious looking......
and yet it sounds sooooooooo evil [evil]
i agree... that bike is beautiful, and special...
i smile when i see it. :)
I'm just thankfull Steve didnt paint it to look like a short bus
For some reason I have this odd craving for an apple. ;D
Quote from: stopintime on August 29, 2008, 02:37:22 PM
Bumpity bump [wine]
More love, anyone?
...naah im a people hater... ;D
Quote from: Lucazuma on August 29, 2008, 03:40:53 PM
...naah im a people hater... ;D
Don't worry Captain, I make up for your gruffness by big the big ol' sweetie that I am.
:-* to all of you. All we need is love . . . and such.
sac
/is this the tread where we all masturbate to the fact that we all own Ducatis
//or is this the thread where we blow eachother because we are all such cool and rugged individualists
/// oh I keed, I keed . . . sorta
The second! The second!
beer
Quote from: TazioS on August 31, 2008, 01:56:42 PM
BOOBIES!!! ;D
... and bacon. [bacon]
Dream Theater
are the best
Quote from: Clickjack on September 03, 2008, 05:56:23 PM
I think Toby Keith is the reason....
toby keith is cool beans...
but that has no bearings on teh awesome that is DMF... or even it's "B" list ;)
TK is the reason for the season
I believe it is the people and the demographics, as has been said everyone is a little older, or perhaps just a little wiser and loves the brand. I belong to another forum which is the DUCwc.ca and the attitudes are very similar (if a much smaller site) Simply a bunch of people with many difffent lifestyles who share a specific love of Ducati.
And yet people are still accepting of other bikes on this site ie: triumphs and others. There is no flaming, no "whots that POS doing on here" type of attitude such as can be found on other sites. And most people are generally serious about wanting to help, whether it's making a noob comfortable or information about bikes.
It must be a Ducati thing. :o