Quote from: Raux on January 12, 2012, 01:11:49 PM
but i think the point here is that the GP11 can't work with the Bridgestones. so try another set

it's really not that simple 

work with me here

Quote from: Raux on January 12, 2012, 02:08:47 PM
work with me here

Yes, Ducati could spoon on a set of Pirellis or whatever, and run the bike.

What would they gain from it?

Quote from: Speeddog on January 12, 2012, 03:30:23 PM
Yes, Ducati could spoon on a set of Pirellis or whatever, and run the bike.

What would they gain from it?

creditibility for the panigale

That credibility will come in SBK. I still don't understand all this BS around comparing SBK to MotoGP. All those years that Ducati wasn't really winning any championships in MotoGP but dominated WSBK, did we ever doubt that they were a completely different series? Whenever a new Duc debuts, I always wonder if they go backwards, but they have always proved they have their act together.

Quote from: duccarlos on January 13, 2012, 03:24:08 AM
That credibility will come in SBK. I still don't understand all this BS around comparing SBK to MotoGP. All those years that Ducati wasn't really winning any championships in MotoGP but dominated WSBK, did we ever doubt that they were a completely different series? Whenever a new Duc debuts, I always wonder if they go backwards, but they have always proved they have their act together.

because the frame is the motoGP frame.

Ducati bet all the WSBK marbles on the MotoGP program's frame/setup (a setup that failed or is considered a failure). So, yeah, seeing that setup crush with better tires would help the Panigale in my mind. Will WSBK help, sure, but it will still be see as Ducati couldn't compete with that setup at GP level, where Honda and Yamaha could.

Bragging rights and credibility.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-corse-wrooom-desmosedici-snow-tires/#more-27460

just amusing...

Quote from: zooom on January 13, 2012, 08:08:36 AM
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ducati-corse-wrooom-desmosedici-snow-tires/#more-27460

just amusing...

yeah bet the front end hooked up with those 

Quote from: Raux on January 13, 2012, 03:36:07 AM
because the frame is the motoGP frame.

Ducati bet all the WSBK marbles on the MotoGP program's frame/setup (a setup that failed or is considered a failure). So, yeah, seeing that setup crush with better tires would help the Panigale in my mind.

It wouldn't do anything. Seeing the 1199 win will help the 1199, not some prototype bike that is completely different except for a similar frame.

Quote from: Raux on January 13, 2012, 03:36:07 AM
because the frame is the motoGP frame.

i'm trying to work with you but you are making it impossible 

so you're saying the Panigale ISN'T based on the GP11? 

Quote from: Raux on January 13, 2012, 02:14:55 PM
so you're saying the Panigale ISN'T based on the GP11? 

Ducati would rather have you believe it's based on the GP7

I can't believe we're still asking the "how can the 1199 be successful when the GP11 wasn't?" question.

T O T A L L Y   D I F F E R E N T  B I K E S !!

That's like saying that the 1198 couldn't work great because they GP8 didn't win the championship. Well, it still won races... blah, blah. I get that we're all a bit concerned that the "frameless" concept in GP didn't work out but the "frameless" concept wasn't the issue. Did anyone else see the quote from Rossi/Ducati saying that switching between the "frameless" CF chassis, the Al "frameless" and the 11ty billion other variations of the chassis didn't actually change the feedback of the bike all that much? They've had to redesign the bike completely to allow themselves the ability to even know where to start. If it were just the "frameless" issues, they wouldn't have had to do that. In the case of GP, when they're struggling with the tires (and other things), the "frameless" concept doesn't work because they can't adjust the bike enough.

/rant

Exact same frame tech. whether cf or al. short feont subframeless whatever they want to call it

like i said. put new tires on the gp11 and prove the tech works

I betting the farm on latest Bridgestone tires no worky on the GP11, 11.5, etc. being a huge year long problem. Hell, even the Suzook seem to go OK on them once Bautista got in gear by mid season.

Sure, the Duc had major teething problems compared to the Hondas but I'm just thinking that not only were the Hondas more sorted from the get go but they also worked so much better on the 'stones compared to the GP11. In the old days Ducati could have gotten Bridgestone to build them a tire for the frameless GP11... see 2007 season. Spec tires are a blessing and a curse. It's interesting that you don't see the tires being such an issue with Pirelli and WSBK teams. But that's apples and oranges.

Just hope for better luck in 2012 for Ducati, Rossi and The Kid. Don't want to see them chasing the CRT bikes all season.