Quote from: koko64 on March 27, 2012, 02:33:30 PM
+1

He's thinking like a banker/accountant and not like an enthusiast. Sure it's gotta make money and be affordable, but he's killing the passion and prestige in it for the factory teams. He betta watch out because Honda won't put up with this forever and if they pull out (and they've done it before), why should the rest stay?

If he dumbs it down too much then HRC and Ducati Corse will leave and go where the passion is. He's got so economic rationalist about it that he's lost the point that its passion which sells motorcycles and tickets, (and makes race teams turn up).

....or he's started a little extreme so that once they finally settle on an answer it's somewhere in the middle, rather than 3 pixels off from 2011.

i get arguing against no spec ECU.  everyone seems to have accepted spec tires.  a spend limit is totally unenforceable.  

so what do you do?  CRT says nothing about having to be production-based, it just gives that option.  but if RDP is already inside of 2 seconds of the satellite machines.. the grid gets bigger -- which it MUST do -- and the net effect on p1-~8 is negligible.  CRT is a replacement for satellite machines that no one can afford.

rev limits is a more prickly topic.  but let's say it's a number that everyone can live with, and they get to continue developing electronics.  i don't see the series as destroyed suddenly.



- yes, i would much rather go back to 2006.  but that just aint gonna happen.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98420

Quote from: gm2 on March 27, 2012, 03:03:30 PM
....or he's started a little extreme so that once they finally settle on an answer it's somewhere in the middle, rather than 3 pixels off from 2011.

i get arguing against no spec ECU.  everyone seems to have accepted spec tires.  a spend limit is totally unenforceable.  

so what do you do?  CRT says nothing about having to be production-based, it just gives that option.  but if RDP is already inside of 2 seconds of the satellite machines.. the grid gets bigger -- which it MUST do -- and the net effect on p1-~8 is negligible.  CRT is a replacement for satellite machines that no one can afford.

rev limits is a more prickly topic.  but let's say it's a number that everyone can live with, and they get to continue developing electronics.  i don't see the series as destroyed suddenly.



- yes, i would much rather go back to 2006.  but that just aint gonna happen.

None of the proposed changes make the racing any better, and it doesn't seem that it will get any better with different levels of machinery on the grid whether they be satellite teams, or CRT teams whatever they are. There will be several races going on and I find that distracting...it's almost like club racing where they start in waves...except these guys will finish in waves.

...and you're right...it will never be 2006 again.

Quote from: gm2 on March 28, 2012, 12:24:23 PM
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98420

Rossi seems to whine about the bike more than Stoner did.

Quote from: Triple J on March 28, 2012, 01:17:02 PM
Rossi seems to whine about the bike more than Stoner did.

Yep

season about to start Ryder notes  http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Mar/120328rydernotes.htm

Quote from: Triple J on March 28, 2012, 01:17:02 PM
Rossi seems to whine about the bike more than Stoner did.

Rossi has always been very vocal, very talkative, and has always talked about everything. When the bike was good he was always talking about it, now the bike is bad and people want to hear what he says about it.

^^^ And, to state the obvious, the response would be completely different if CS said the same thing...

Quote from: swampduc on March 28, 2012, 07:23:01 PM
^^^ And, to state the obvious, the response would be completely different if CS said the same thing...

Exactly. 

Maybe people would listen to Stoner (or "care") more nowadays, if only because of his 2x championships. Especially before he was super reclusive and didn't say anything to the press except to b*tch about ROssi or the Ducati or the conditions or the track, etc.

If that's all you're gonna say, no one wants to hear it.

Like I said, people want (or at least are accustomed to) Rossi talking about everything under the sun (and moon... see what I did th -ah, nevermind). So everyone's like "How is it?" and he's like "Well... it's shit."

Quote from: gm2 on March 28, 2012, 04:34:00 PM
season about to start Ryder notes  http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Mar/120328rydernotes.htm

I like the way he chimed in on 2 specific things that most or not talking much about....

1) watching CE II and the progression of his CRT machine ( based on how he puts it being "in the true spirit of CRT" machinery) based on his knowledge and development skills and the teams capabilities.

2) the new spec Bridgestones and the wear charachteristics....we have hedged around the subject...but a rider like Spies who is used to shagged tires is going to fair better in some ways than someone who is less experienced in riding and feeling them...and since most teams didn't admit to running full race simulations...I expect we might see some latter laps that are very interesting in how times or positions might change due to this...

What he said!

Quote from: zooom on March 29, 2012, 04:26:44 AM
2) the new spec Bridgestones and the wear charachteristics....we have hedged around the subject...but a rider like Spies who is used to shagged tires is going to fair better in some ways than someone who is less experienced in riding and feeling them...and since most teams didn't admit to running full race simulations...I expect we might see some latter laps that are very interesting in how times or positions might change due to this...

yup. 

Quote from: zooom on March 29, 2012, 04:26:44 AM
2) the new spec Bridgestones and the wear charachteristics....we have hedged around the subject...but a rider like Spies who is used to shagged tires is going to fair better in some ways than someone who is less experienced in riding and feeling them...and since most teams didn't admit to running full race simulations...I expect we might see some latter laps that are very interesting in how times or positions might change due to this...

Hopefully! 

There's probably a setting for that (shagged tires) hidden somewhere in the ECU software....