Dovi paying for his brakes isn't that strange if you think about it...how many riders did we hear of whom don't have rides now because they couldn't bring any money to the table or sponsors or other infusions....the factory leases on these machines aren't cheap and there is only a finite amount of cash to sustain the team in as many aspects as possible....so while it sucks that Cal ain't buyin some parts and Dovi is...it is the nature of the beast when you aren't a factory rider/pilot...

the Moto2 and 3 riders being eschewed out of the paddock isn't a new thing either...but I guess it is now coming to light...

I wonder how long before the 'Downfall' parody gets posted about motogp?

Quote from: zooom on May 23, 2012, 10:43:27 AM
Dovi paying for his brakes isn't that strange if you think about it

yes it is.

IIRC, Dovi is buying the *new/improved/better/latest trick* brakes.

I've not paid much attention to what Shwantz said since he threw Paul Denning under the bus for how the Suzuki MotoGP deal turned out.

Quote from: Grrrly on May 23, 2012, 10:01:41 AM
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp/strange-days-in-motogp/

Stoner's right...especially on the Moto2 and Moto3 riders being kicked out to make way for hospitality items.

...and Crutchlow is awesome...the UK version of Edwards:

"It’s not my job to buy brakes, my job is to race motorcycles… but maybe I’ll go round someone’s garage and steal them.”   

I've spent the last 10 minutes trying to convince myself that I should be outraged. I should be saying that Dorna is ruining MotoGP. The problem is that I'm not sure what is worse, the dumbing down of prototype racing or the fact that the manufacturers have priced themselves out of competition. The reality is that even rode bikes these days are using the latest electronics to get as much performance out of them as po$$ible. Bringing back the days of analog bikes is going backwards. Too many rules to even the playing field is also going backwards, but the racing is just not as exciting. I can't fault Casey at all for any of this and it does seem like, since he's been tagged a whiner for so long, is one of the few riders willing to say anything. For that alone he deserves a world of respect.

Quote from: duccarlos on May 23, 2012, 03:11:31 PM
I've spent the last 10 minutes trying to convince myself that I should be outraged. I should be saying that Dorna is ruining MotoGP. The problem is that I'm not sure what is worse, the dumbing down of prototype racing or the fact that the manufacturers have priced themselves out of competition. The reality is that even rode bikes these days are using the latest electronics to get as much performance out of them as po$$ible. Bringing back the days of analog bikes is going backwards. Too many rules to even the playing field is also going backwards, but the racing is just not as exciting. I can't fault Casey at all for any of this and it does seem like, since he's been tagged a whiner for so long, is one of the few riders willing to say anything. For that alone he deserves a world of respect.

respect to people who can be that black & white (casey, i mean).  i can't.

and i don't for a second think carmelo wants to be doing what he's doing.  he has to.  in 3 years motogp would have shut down otherwise.

Quote from: gm2 on May 23, 2012, 03:32:52 PM

and i don't for a second think carmelo wants to be doing what he's doing.  he has to.  in 3 years motogp would have shut down otherwise.

exactly... he's already lost suzuki and kawasaki to the bean counters, and that was long before crt was even proposed.

I have no real problem with riders digging into their pockets and tossing in a few euros for brakes (after all, who's wearing them out?) if they want to keep racing -- and I'm sure there are non-riders on many teams that have and continue to work lots of unpaid hours to support their riders and make them successful.  I've also seen small businesses eke by on credit cards and the owner's personal savings until things got better....then everyone shared in the success.

Casey may be a little too young to 'appreciate' how corporate (and government) involvement (e.g., hospitality tents/sky boxes, corporate outings, stadiums, etc.) have transformed sports over the past twenty years -- resulting in lucrative TV contracts, other endorsements/spin-offs/corollary products, and tons of $$$$$.  His failure to acknowledge that he shares in the prosperity goes to the heart of what I think Schwantz is alluding to and is challenging Casey to rise above; that in his comments and actions he comes off as 'just another spoiled athlete'.

Quote from: OT on May 23, 2012, 09:45:42 PM
Casey may be a little too young to 'appreciate' how corporate (and government) involvement (e.g., hospitality tents/sky boxes, corporate outings, stadiums, etc.) have transformed sports over the past twenty years -- resulting in lucrative TV contracts, other endorsements/spin-offs/corollary products, and tons of $$$$$.  His failure to acknowledge that he shares in the prosperity goes to the heart of what I think Schwantz is alluding to and is challenging Casey to rise above; that in his comments and actions he comes off as 'just another spoiled athlete'.

This is the same kid whose parents moved to the UK and lived in a trailer (caravan) so he could race...I'd hesitate to call him a spoiled brat

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/180030/1/stoner_to_crutchlow_i_still_use_the_old_brakes.html

60,000 Euros per rider per season for pads and discs is not exactly chump change!!  That's freakin' unbelievable! They're just motorcycles. Top of the line racing prototypes yes, but still........

Quote from: MacDuck on May 24, 2012, 09:36:49 AM
60,000 Euros per rider per season for pads and discs is not exactly chump change!!  That's freakin' unbelievable! They're just motorcycles. Top of the line racing prototypes yes, but still........

Carbon Fiber + Carbon Fiber + 6 months in an autoclave = $$$$$$$$$$$$$

half a million bucks for the honda gearbox.  just sayin'.

Quote from: gm2 on May 24, 2012, 10:08:21 AM
half a million bucks for the honda gearbox.  just sayin'.

So if the team wants to win, then the team should be paying for it.