Quote from: gm2 on May 25, 2012, 08:13:28 AM
we don't know that schwantz doesn't feel exactly the same way about all those things...

just for the sake of discussion, on the whole bridgestone has gotten it very right.  and 1 second off for the CRTs at this level of development is phenomenal.  you're forgetting what the moto2 bikes looked like at first -- if you squinted you would have thought you were watching a club race.

As vociferous as he's been about Casey...

one would assume if he felt that way he'd say so.

Of course if what he's really concerned about is any future income to be derived from the Dorna cash cow it makes sense.

Quote from: ducpainter on May 25, 2012, 08:29:48 AM
As vociferous as he's been about Casey...

one would assume if he felt that way he'd say so.

Of course if what he's really concerned about is any future income to be derived from the Dorna cash cow it makes sense.

given his involvement with young racers i bet he for sure feels the same way about the moto2/3 in the paddock thing.  my point is all he was saying is casey should enjoy it for what it's worth.  if you want to go, go.  but don't pregnant dog your way out the door.

but you knew that 

Quote from: gm2 on May 25, 2012, 08:33:10 AM
given his involvement with young racers i bet he for sure feels the same way about the moto2/3 in the paddock thing.  my point is all he was saying is casey should enjoy it for what it's worth.  if you want to go, go.  but don't pregnant dog your way out the door.

but you knew that 

Yeah...

I happen to partially agree with him.

Anyone that can make his living at that level of sport should have a grin from ear to ear.

I think the fact Casey doesn't is one of the reasons people see him as a whiner.

but you knew that. 

Quote from: Raux on May 25, 2012, 07:40:35 AM
and then hearing they push the moto2 and 3 out of the paddock.. bs. those guys earned a spot to be there, plus by pushing them out reduces their chances of getting to know big name sponsors.

I don't think it changes thier chances one bit of woo'ing sponsors...that all can be done during hours when they are all there...they just can't set up camp in the paddock, which I think probably saves them some $$$ in the sake of those rigs being very costly versus a hotel room expendature...

Quote from: zooom on May 25, 2012, 09:10:25 AM
I don't think it changes thier chances one bit of woo'ing sponsors...that all can be done during hours when they are all there...they just can't set up camp in the paddock, which I think probably saves them some $$$ in the sake of those rigs being very costly versus a hotel room expendature...

Have you ever stayed in a European hotel? 4 nights in the 3 star hotels can add up to what you would pay monthly for a rig. Schwantz does not like Stoner and he's just trying to push his buttons. Where was he when Rossi was pregnant dogin to the media about the bike a few weeks ago? These guys will complain about everything. They are motorcycle divas and Schwantz probably complained constantly back in his day, so please don't try to play that card now.

Quote from: duccarlos on May 25, 2012, 09:40:31 AM
and Schwantz probably complained constantly back in his day

out of context from your main points: he didn't.

Quote from: duccarlos on May 25, 2012, 09:40:31 AM
Have you ever stayed in a European hotel? 4 nights in the 3 star hotels can add up to what you would pay monthly for a rig.

who says that have to stay in a 3 star hotel? or a Michelin starred hotel?

Quote from: zooom on May 25, 2012, 10:53:11 AM
who says that have to stay in a 3 star hotel? or a Michelin starred hotel?

cause a 2 star is a bunk bed and a sink with a bathroom down the hall - no shit, been there.

Quote from: gm2 on May 25, 2012, 09:50:22 AM
out of context from your main points: he didn't.

and, more to my point earlier, he quit when he decided he wasn't having fun anymore...

Quote from: derby on May 25, 2012, 11:25:44 AM
and, more to my point earlier, he quit when he decided he wasn't having fun anymore...

So everyone should be held to his standard of fun? Casey can't say that he's not having fun because Dorna is dumbing down the series?

Quote from: duccarlos on May 25, 2012, 11:37:48 AM
So everyone should be held to his standard of fun? Casey can't say that he's not having fun because Dorna is dumbing down the series?

That's right...

only Schwantz and Mamola can have opinions.

oh you did NOT just bring mamola into this...   

*In my best Red from Shawshank Redemption voice* "Oh...Randy..."

I've gone from respecting schwantz to now feeling he is a complete tool. I think it's that holier than thou attitude that comes across in his articles.
In no way when you read the Australian press do you feel that stoner is a whinger, it's only the European and American press that bag him out, though they didn't like Doohan either.

Quote from: The Don on May 26, 2012, 03:35:26 PM
I've gone from respecting schwantz to now feeling he is a complete tool. I think it's that holier than thou attitude that comes across in his articles.
In no way when you read the Australian press do you feel that stoner is a whinger, it's only the European and American press that bag him out, though they didn't like Doohan either.

there couldn't possibly be any bias there, could there? 

fwiw, i don't recall the american or euro press having anything negative to say about doohan.