I agree Marquez rides like a maniac, but the sport needs another hotrod character.  Guys like that carry viewership and keep sponsors interested.  Marco Simoncelli ruffled a lot of feathers and rode like a dick sometimes too.  Its too bad he passed, because I would have loved to see those guys on the same track.  Fast, cocky, on the edge riders have their role.  Those type of riders will have no problem stuffing it up the inside of Lorenzo in the future, which is what you need to beat him.  It happened to Rossi.

Lorenzo came into GP as a fast, cocky, over the edge rider.  Simoncelli was the same, but even more prone to jam the bike into tight spots. 

Lets not forget how amazing that save was prior to resuming his race like nothing happened.  I like Marquez.  The dude has balls.  Bring it on.

Quote from: Jester on June 05, 2012, 08:47:40 PM
I agree Marquez rides like a maniac, but the sport needs another hotrod character.  Guys like that carry viewership and keep sponsors interested.  Marco Simoncelli ruffled a lot of feathers and rode like a dick sometimes too.  Its too bad he passed, because I would have loved to see those guys on the same track.  Fast, cocky, on the edge riders have their role.  Those type of riders will have no problem stuffing it up the inside of Lorenzo in the future, which is what you need to beat him.  It happened to Rossi.

Lorenzo came into GP as a fast, cocky, over the edge rider.  Simoncelli was the same, but even more prone to jam the bike into tight spots. 

Lets not forget how amazing that save was prior to resuming his race like nothing happened.  I like Marquez.  The dude has balls.  Bring it on.

my feelings exactly

Quote from: mitt on June 05, 2012, 08:17:48 PM
Just watched the moto2 race tonight.

One thing not mentioned yet, is that Pol's bike was out-of-sorts too as he was going through the turn - it was really pumping.  I think he might have been in the process of loosing control also, and this contributed partly to the strange dismount from the bike.

yeah he was all out of shape and made a bad decision.

Quote from: El Matador on June 05, 2012, 09:27:22 PM



my feelings exactly

Yer a Spaniard. Your opinion is biased!   

Quote from: El Matador on June 05, 2012, 09:27:22 PM



my feelings exactly

You admitted to me that you have a thing for George.

Was thinking about this last night, and I've gotta say....

Lots of spectators don't like the procession of MotoGP, complaining that there's no close racing.
There's close racing in SBK and Moto2.
But close racing means the bikes are *close together*.
That means they occasionally hit each other and fall down.
But then folks complain that they're knocking each other down.

Quote from: ducpainter on June 05, 2012, 04:07:45 PM
Are you being sarcastic?

seriously...

'cuz the little puke rides like an asshole.

Just sayin'.

no, i was being serious.  that cut off your nose thing is a dick move.

however i also very much agree with this

Quote from: Jester on June 05, 2012, 08:47:40 PM
I agree Marquez rides like a maniac, but the sport needs another hotrod character.  Guys like that carry viewership and keep sponsors interested.  Marco Simoncelli ruffled a lot of feathers and rode like a dick sometimes too.  Its too bad he passed, because I would have loved to see those guys on the same track.  Fast, cocky, on the edge riders have their role.  Those type of riders will have no problem stuffing it up the inside of Lorenzo in the future, which is what you need to beat him.  It happened to Rossi.

Lorenzo came into GP as a fast, cocky, over the edge rider.  Simoncelli was the same, but even more prone to jam the bike into tight spots.  

Lets not forget how amazing that save was prior to resuming his race like nothing happened.  I like Marquez.  The dude has balls.  Bring it on.

and this

Quote from: Speeddog on June 06, 2012, 11:28:15 AM
Was thinking about this last night, and I've gotta say....

Lots of spectators don't like the procession of MotoGP, complaining that there's no close racing.
There's close racing in SBK and Moto2.
But close racing means the bikes are *close together*.
That means they occasionally hit each other and fall down.
But then folks complain that they're knocking each other down.

i don't think the racetrack is a place to be polite (unless it's a track day, of course).  

i also think the line between not polite and out of line is pretty damn thin.  so at times we have these discussions.  and once in a while it's make the beast with two backsing out of line and you get slapped (marquez, qatar).

i think he made an amazing save and was trying to win.  i think he was not trying to take out pol.  i think pol was out of shape and it couldn't be helped.  ergo, racing incident.

i also totally believe that he didn't know pol had crashed.  racers run into each other all the time.  usually no one crashes, sometimes they do.  for the guy in front, you just about never know one way or the other.  that just happened at, what, donington, miller?  someone drove right into the back of melandri.  no one fell down.  if whoever that was had, marco wouldn't have known it til later.

either way, i'd much rather have these discussions than watch a processional.  also why i was so (of course..) bummed for spies in barcelona but also so totally stoked for 2 laps.  he was riding like himself again, however briefly.  just the tip-in to T1 from the start had me out of my seat.

I guess we can agree to disagree about intent.

Someone will repay him the favor some day...

what goes around comes around.

Quote from: gm2 on June 06, 2012, 12:55:26 PM
i also think the line between not polite and out of line is pretty damn thin.  so at times we have these discussions.  and once in a while it's make the beast with two backsing out of line and you get slapped (marquez, qatar).

What happened to him at Qatar? I don't thnk he's ever been penalized. 

I don't think Marquez meant to "take out" Pol...but I do think he knew he was there and tried to shut the door when it was already too late. Bad decision and poor riding IMO.

I do like the racing though, and would much rather be discussing this than talking out a boring race! 

Quote from: ducpainter on June 06, 2012, 01:08:22 PM
I guess we can agree to disagree about intent.

Someone will repay him the favor some day...

what goes around comes around.

Meaning you think he intended to give pol nowhere to go?

I think he does that on the front straight.  In that race a couple times.  But to shut the door on someone at full lean deliberately?  That's almost always not going to work out for the door shutter. 

I DO think he could have looked.  I don't fault him for not.  50/50 as dovi said.  50/50 to me is a (n aggressive) racing incident.

Quote from: Triple J on June 06, 2012, 01:24:44 PM
What happened to him at Qatar? I don't thnk he's ever been penalized. 

http://motomatters.com/news/2012/04/10/marquez_and_luthi_issued_formal_warning_.html

Quote from: gm2 on June 06, 2012, 01:59:48 PM
http://motomatters.com/news/2012/04/10/marquez_and_luthi_issued_formal_warning_.html

Whoa...he was issued a warning for Qatar? Wow...I was worried that he might have actually been punished for making a dick move.

Regardless of all this, we have some very good riders coming through the ranks right now and they are going to be the reason MotoGP gets its heartbeat back in the next five years.  Losing Stoner is a big hit and we need the next crop of hotshots to take the torch from Rossi and give Lorenzo a run for his money.  While technical regulations seem a bit iffy, the handful of talent graduating to the big show in the next few years is looking good.

I believe I saw that Italy is trying to get a better youth program going like they have in Spain, which will pay dividends over the next decade to the racing we get in the grand prix classes.

My GP subscription is largely justified by Moto3 and Moto2 at the moment.  That's ironic since I'm paying for a "MotoGP.com" sub.  The more exciting riders we have moving through the ranks, the better it is for everyone.

The inevitable comparisons to Sic. The difference is that marco did get penalized for his dick moves. That is how he learned that he can't just bully people out of the way. Marco was turning into a better rider by being patient. I doubt he would have learned anything without getting slapped on the hand here and there.

Quote from: gm2 on June 06, 2012, 01:59:48 PM
http://motomatters.com/news/2012/04/10/marquez_and_luthi_issued_formal_warning_.html

Ya, I knew about that. Like I said...he's never been penalized. Bottom line is he is the common thread in these incidents, which is why I thought the 1 minute penalty was fair.

It seems he just needs to figure out that aggressive is good...but he isn't the only one on the track.