I don't think we can forget about the spec. Bridgestones.

If Ducati had more input into the tire, like they did in Stoner's year, I bet they'd be capable of developing a competitive bike.

Only Stoner has been able to consistently win on a Ducati, even when Bridgestone was supplying the tires only for the Ducs. At has always been a shitty bike.

Quote from: Triple J on August 22, 2012, 08:10:48 AM
I don't think we can forget about the spec. Bridgestones.

If Ducati had more input into the tire, like they did in Stoner's year, I bet they'd be capable of developing a competitive bike.

maybe this format would be a better solution to the spec tire rule ?!?!?!

http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2012/08/21/an_alternative_to_spec_tires_australian_.html

Quote from: duccarlos on August 22, 2012, 09:26:22 AM
Only Stoner has been able to consistently win on a Ducati, even when Bridgestone was supplying the tires only for the Ducs. At has always been a shitty bike.

Not really.

They didn't even enter GP until 2003, and finished 2nd among manufacturers that year (not bad, eh?). They had multiple race wins and podiums in 2004 & 2005 while developing the bike, and were doing quite well in 2006 until Sete and Capirossi collided. Despite that  they finished 2006 with Bayliss and Capirossi placing 1st and 2nd in the last race of the season.

Stoner won the championship in 2007, and it's been downhill since.

The D16RR may not have been dominant prior to 2007, but it was competitive and definitely had potential.

Quote from: zooom on August 22, 2012, 09:29:16 AM
maybe this format would be a better solution to the spec tire rule ?!?!?!

http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2012/08/21/an_alternative_to_spec_tires_australian_.html

I saw that...interesting.

Quote from: Triple J on August 22, 2012, 09:39:05 AM
Despite that  they finished 2006 with Bayliss and Capirossi placing 1st and 2nd in the last race of the season.

to call what Bayliss did at Valencia that year a 'win' is to call the Isle Of Man a 'race'.    

Quote from: gm2 on August 22, 2012, 10:25:01 AM
to call what Bayliss did at Valencia that year a 'win' is to call the Isle Of Man a 'race'.    

He ripped off their collective heads and shit in their necks.

Quote from: Triple J on August 22, 2012, 09:39:05 AM
Not really.

They didn't even enter GP until 2003, and finished 2nd among manufacturers that year (not bad, eh?). They had multiple race wins and podiums in 2004 & 2005 while developing the bike, and were doing quite well in 2006 until Sete and Capirossi collided. Despite that  they finished 2006 with Bayliss and Capirossi placing 1st and 2nd in the last race of the season.

Stoner won the championship in 2007, and it's been downhill since.

The D16RR may not have been dominant prior to 2007, but it was competitive and definitely had potential.

You are correct, not consistent, but not atrocious either. When did the dependency on electronics start?

not really a matter of 'start'.  they have progressed over the years, like everything else.  safe to say though that a major turning point was 2007 (the 800s).

Does anyone (other than the derb, perhaps) know who actually writes the performance/design spec for the 'spec tire'?

Do all/any of the factories have 'official' input?

Quote from: Triple J on August 22, 2012, 09:39:05 AM
Not really.

They didn't even enter GP until 2003, and finished 2nd among manufacturers that year (not bad, eh?). They had multiple race wins and podiums in 2004 & 2005 while developing the bike, and were doing quite well in 2006 until Sete and Capirossi collided. Despite that  they finished 2006 with Bayliss and Capirossi placing 1st and 2nd in the last race of the season.

Stoner won the championship in 2007, and it's been downhill since.

The D16RR may not have been dominant prior to 2007, but it was competitive and definitely had potential.

That is what I remember too.

Corse is reorganizing.  Shocking, i know.

oh, and rossi was "unable to interpret [the ducati's] characteristics".         good one!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102022

Any reorganization without replacing prezioso is uesless

Quote from: Raux on August 28, 2012, 01:06:29 PM
Any reorganization without replacing prezioso is uesless

Please provide exact location of the MotoGP bike designer tree, so that they can go pick another one.

I'd also like to know, as there may be a bush nearby where I can pick a good shop tech.

oh I don't know... raiding BMW or Aprilia wouldn't be a bad start

I've read his history and Prezioso is a great developer, not designer. His WSBK wins came from enhancing and tweaking someone else's designs.