probably more political threat than reality, but still...

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/2012/08/29/honda-goodbye-motogp-hello-wsb/

 

Samurai sword rattling ...

or not.

Interesting article all around. I think we all know that the biggest advantage the factory bikes have over their satellite and CRT counterparts are the electronics. Not sure if Honda would walk away completely, but they might downsize considerably.

Quote from: duccarlos on August 29, 2012, 01:15:16 PM
Interesting article all around. I think we all know that the biggest advantage the factory bikes have over their satellite and CRT counterparts are the electronics. Not sure if Honda would walk away completely, but they might downsize considerably.

Why not?

If you can't bring your best why come to the fight?

What is the saying of "as long as you talk about me"? Honda right now provides motors for Moto2 and 3 along with the prototypes. More likely they would go ahead with the plans to provide a lower spec bike that would be able to beat the CRT's.

IROC spec bike races are the future

Quote from: duccarlos on August 29, 2012, 01:25:15 PM
What is the saying of "as long as you talk about me"? <snip>

No clue   

Quote from: duccarlos on August 29, 2012, 01:25:15 PM
Honda right now provides motors for Moto2 and 3 along with the prototypes. More likely they would go ahead with the plans to provide a lower spec bike that would be able to beat the CRT's.

...or if they're serious they leave Carmelo hanging on all three series.

Quote from: bobspapa on August 29, 2012, 01:33:09 PM
IROC spec bike races are the future

I'm gonna pm your wife. 

Quote from: ducpainter on August 29, 2012, 01:11:44 PM


Samurai sword rattling ...

or not.

i almost sent this to gm2 last week.

http://cyclenews.coverleaf.com/cyclenews/20120821#pg73

the king speaks and some of it is relevant to the situation at hand. this is not the first time honda has threatened to leave over rules.

Quote from: derby on August 29, 2012, 01:56:55 PM
i almost sent this to gm2 last week.

http://cyclenews.coverleaf.com/cyclenews/20120821#pg73

the king speaks and some of it is relevant to the situation at hand. this is not the first time honda has threatened to leave over rules.

We all have opinions.

I personally don't want to see prototype racing go away.

Quote from: ducpainter on August 29, 2012, 02:17:12 PM
I personally don't want to see prototype racing go away.

+1

Quote from: ducpainter on August 29, 2012, 02:17:12 PM
We all have opinions.

I personally don't want to see prototype racing go away.

we keep going in circles about this... just because there are rules/restrictions doesn't mean it's no longer a prototype.

even formula 1 says "build whatever you want as long as it fits in this box, doesn't weigh less than x combined w/ the driver, has a 2.4L v8 with a rev limit that doesn't exceed x, no traction control, and no moveable aero devices with a specific exception for drs".

it's an engineering challenge for the constructors.

the days of "build whatever you want" have gone/are going the way of tobacco sponsorship.

i'm still surprised that ducati and ferrari have managed to keep a sponsor that can't advertise on the vehicle at all.

Quote from: derby on August 30, 2012, 08:35:07 AM
we keep going in circles about this... just because there are rules/restrictions doesn't mean it's no longer a prototype.

even formula 1 says "build whatever you want as long as it fits in this box, doesn't weigh less than x combined w/ the driver, has a 2.4L v8 with a rev limit that doesn't exceed x, no traction control, and no moveable aero devices with a specific exception for drs".

it's an engineering challenge for the constructors.

the days of "build whatever you want" have gone/are going the way of tobacco sponsorship.

i'm still surprised that ducati and ferrari have managed to keep a sponsor that can't advertise on the vehicle at all.

Yes we do because of the importance of electronics.

It's what sets the also rans apart.

Remove rider aids if you must, I think that would be a great idea, but allow the manufacturers the flexibility to manage their design their way.

The tobacco thing is a completely different subject.

I got an idea....take away the electronic rider aids and limit them to 220hp at the wheel and let them build what they want...easy enough for tech to check after a race, with a simple dyno run, which in of itself could be its own draw as well...

Quote from: zooom on August 30, 2012, 12:36:58 PM
I got an idea....take away the electronic rider aids and limit them to 220hp at the wheel and let them build what they want...easy enough for tech to check after a race, with a simple dyno run, which in of itself could be its own draw as well...

Dyno results seem like they'd be too variable. A team could easily tune their bike at 219 hp on their dyno, only to have the Dorna Dyno show it at 222 hp.

Quote from: Triple J on August 30, 2012, 12:55:56 PM
Dyno results seem like they'd be too variable. A team could easily tune their bike at 219 hp on their dyno, only to have the Dorna Dyno show it at 222 hp.

then they'de fail and be DQ'd...the Dorna dyno would be the one that would matter in the end...you subject your machine to the tech people in the end for to make sure you are within the specs for confirmation of the results for to be official....kinda like a tech inspection after a race...