Seattle has about 700k people.  Manhattan alone has over 4 million in an area bout one quarter the area of Seattle.  Also,  new yorkers have little use for lawn clipping g pickups....

Quote from: Triple J on September 17, 2012, 08:34:49 AM
NYC should visit Seattle and learn how to do it correctly.

We have 2 recycle bins (like the one above)...one for yard trimmings and food waste (including meat/bones), and one for everything else (glass, paper, aluminum, etc). That's it. It works great. No secondary bags, ambiguous separation rules, or anything. 

Requiring (as opposed to allowing) someone to put recyclable materials into a new plastic bag (regardless of color) is beyond stupid.

Quote from: Triple J on September 17, 2012, 08:34:49 AM
NYC should visit Seattle and learn how to do it correctly.

We have 2 recycle bins (like the one above)...one for yard trimmings and food waste (including meat/bones), and one for everything else (glass, paper, aluminum, etc). That's it. It works great. No secondary bags, ambiguous separation rules, or anything. 

Sounds like what we have here in PDX.  Was your garbage service cut back as part of the program as well?

Quote from: Staggerlee on September 17, 2012, 12:08:43 PM
Sounds like what we have here in PDX.  Was your garbage service cut back as part of the program as well?

Not yet, but they're talking about it. That'll actually piss me off if my bill doesn't go down.

Quote from: ducatiz on September 17, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
Seattle has about 700k people.  Manhattan alone has over 4 million in an area bout one quarter the area of Seattle.  Also,  new yorkers have little use for lawn clipping g pickups....

So what, you missed the point. Making people put recyclable material in a plastic bag is stupid. It can and is being done simpler and more effective in other areas. No reason NYC can't follow. Who cares if they don't need yard waste service...then don't offer it..even simpler. I was just describing how it's done here. The Seattle area has 3.5 million people...it isn't just Seattle p.roper that does it.

Quote from: Triple J on September 17, 2012, 01:11:45 PM
Not yet, but they're talking about it. That'll actually piss me off if my bill doesn't go down.
So what, you missed the point. Making people put recyclable material in a plastic bag is stupid. It can and is being done simpler and more effective in other areas. No reason NYC can't follow. Who cares if they don't need yard waste service...then don't offer it..even simpler. I was just describing how it's done here. The Seattle area has 3.5 million people...it isn't just Seattle p.roper that does it.

That's just part of the problem.  NYC has no street space for bins.  You have bins that sit on the street and get emptied.  In NYC the trash is bagged and stacked on the morning of pickup which for my building usually began around 2 am and ended around 3am.  That's right.  It took a whole hour.  The pile of bags was around 10 ft high and 30 to 40 feet of sidewalk.  It was usually 2 or 3 trucks.

New buildings are required to have a truck bay so the garbage truck can back in but the majority of the old high rises do not.  My building was constructed in 1918 and is 15 storeys with 20 to 30 apartments per floor.

well I've heard that NYC wants to ban salt all together ... put your stuff into little plastic bag's, don't do this , don't do that , don't .....

well.... you will just have to come to Canada  we have hokey here (well when there not in lockout )

Quote from: ducatiz on September 17, 2012, 01:20:11 PM
That's just part of the problem.  NYC has no street space for bins.  You have bins that sit on the street and get emptied.  In NYC the trash is bagged and stacked on the morning of pickup which for my building usually began around 2 am and ended around 3am.  That's right.  It took a whole hour.  The pile of bags was around 10 ft high and 30 to 40 feet of sidewalk.  It was usually 2 or 3 trucks.

Ya, I've seen the huge piles of garbage in NYC. 

The clear plastic bags sound reasonable for that situation. It sounded to me like NYC makes everyone use the bags though, regardless of situation. If so, then it is a dumb policy.

i dont know what they are trying to achieve with policy. Everyone here is trying to make a policy to try and make things better but the reality of it is that most people just dont give a rats ass.

When you put trash out for apartment buildings, there are cars in the way of the people who drag them over teh hoods to get it onto a garbage truck. 

for an apartment building they are in black bags and clear bags. god forbid you accidently piled a clear bag on a trash bag. thats an automatic $125 fine for mixing up the garbage (Most grabage men are straight up blind and retarded and cant tell the difference so its up to the landlord to make sure they are separated).

If you put a 8 apartment building, you would need twice as many bins to cover their plastic containers. Most buildings have a small 8x4foot area that holds ALL the garbage and you are liable to keep it clean ($25 fine otherwise). What ive done is install 8 foot sheet metal covering the area so you cant look inside from the streets. It looks like crap but you save about $150 a month in fines.

If you had 16 bins in that area, you would have no space to stack the bags. Stacking 16 bags is easier than 16 bins.

Oh and lets not talk about the recycling hobos...oh you dont know who they are?  They are like coons that go into your recyclables and toss everything  around for you. They remove all the recycable containers, (soda cans, bottles and such have 5cent refund for recycling). So most of the time they are like oysters who come and clean your tank for you! Of course they never close up the garbage so you have to retie everything.

its almost like a recycling enzyme of a human being.

They need to make garbage bins with 3 slots in them and mandate that all residents buy them (or they can give them out for free) so they are presorted in the apartments.

great now i sound like a real nyc forcing someone to do something. while im at it. I'm going to ban schools from buying new text books for the same subject every year.

Quote from: He Man on September 17, 2012, 03:20:46 PM
i dont know what they are trying to achieve with policy. Everyone here is trying to make a policy to try and make things better but the reality of it is that most people just dont give a rats ass.

When you put trash out for apartment buildings, there are cars in the way of the people who drag them over teh hoods to get it onto a garbage truck. 

for an apartment building they are in black bags and clear bags. god forbid you accidently piled a clear bag on a trash bag. thats an automatic $125 fine for mixing up the garbage (Most grabage men are straight up blind and retarded and cant tell the difference so its up to the landlord to make sure they are separated).

If you put a 8 apartment building, you would need twice as many bins to cover their plastic containers. Most buildings have a small 8x4foot area that holds ALL the garbage and you are liable to keep it clean ($25 fine otherwise). What ive done is install 8 foot sheet metal covering the area so you cant look inside from the streets. It looks like crap but you save about $150 a month in fines.

If you had 16 bins in that area, you would have no space to stack the bags. Stacking 16 bags is easier than 16 bins.

Oh and lets not talk about the recycling hobos...oh you dont know who they are?  They are like coons that go into your recyclables and toss everything  around for you. They remove all the recycable containers, (soda cans, bottles and such have 5cent refund for recycling). So most of the time they are like oysters who come and clean your tank for you! Of course they never close up the garbage so you have to retie everything.

its almost like a recycling enzyme of a human being.

They need to make garbage bins with 3 slots in them and mandate that all residents buy them (or they can give them out for free) so they are presorted in the apartments.

great now i sound like a real nyc forcing someone to do something. while im at it. I'm going to ban schools from buying new text books for the same subject every year.

I think we are up on the recycling hobos.

I had garbage men drag it over my freshly painted custom trunk...

I remember a few years back when medical waste and hypodermic needles were washing up on the beaches in Brooklyn and Long Island

the trash barges were supposed to haul the garbage several miles off shore before dumping it (I think they were trying to create an artificial Staten Island)

turns out they were steadily unloading the trash as they headed out to sea .....once they cleared the harbor

and much of it was washing up

NYC is a shit hole of epic proportions..... and equally epic pretensions

the mayor is an arrogant fop with some weird conceits that he can rule as a royal...see "divine right"

more worthy of the Court of King Louie than of a modern city

when I depart this awful awful area I will take a photo of the skyline in my rearview mirror, blow-it up and frame it

I will miss the Deli's and that is about all

Quote from: RAT900 on September 20, 2012, 12:32:56 AM......the trash barges were supposed to haul the garbage several miles off shore before dumping it......

Seriously???     NYC just dumps it's garbage in the sea??   

Quote from: RAT900 on September 20, 2012, 12:32:56 AM
I remember a few years back when medical waste and hypodermic needles were washing up on the beaches in Brooklyn and Long Island

the trash barges were supposed to haul the garbage several miles off shore before dumping it (I think they were trying to create an artificial Staten Island)

turns out they were steadily unloading the trash as they headed out to sea .....once they cleared the harbor

and much of it was washing up

NYC is a shit hole of epic proportions..... and equally epic pretensions

the mayor is an arrogant fop with some weird conceits that he can rule as a royal...see "divine right"

more worthy of the Court of King Louie than of a modern city

when I depart this awful awful area I will take a photo of the skyline in my rearview mirror, blow-it up and frame it

I will miss the Deli's and that is about all

We can do without the political commentary...TYVM

Quote from: ungeheuer on September 20, 2012, 02:44:50 AM
Seriously???     NYC just dumps it's garbage in the sea??   

they used to.  now it is taken to landfills. 

Quote from: ducatiz on September 20, 2012, 05:33:10 AM
they used to.  now it is taken to landfills. 

Yes ocean dumping was an abomination to God....after all isn't that why the Creator gave us New Jersey and Staten Island?

It was taken about 25miles out to sea for many many years but i believe federal regulations (or local codes not sure which) stopped it.
thats where land dumps in State Island came from. And then we start selling our trash to jersey, unforuntely the outcome of that was many people became ill and the TV show jersey shore was made as a mockery of the event. sad really. 


NYC wasn't the only one who dumped it at sea. any city near the ocean used to do it until it became illegal. this city is just REALLY old. if a seimic event of 5 came around, 85% of the city would be destroyed and leveled since there are no seismic codes back then.

We all know it actually might happen with the recent quakes. 125th street is an inactive fault, but thats just by definition. nothing makes it inactive except for lack of activity.