Quote from: derby on October 03, 2012, 10:20:31 AM
the current motogp races would likely get more exciting if they dialed the tire technology back a few decades.

moto2 and moto3 are fine. 

or backed off on the electronic rider aids.

Quote from: derby on October 03, 2012, 10:20:31 AM
the current motogp races would likely get more exciting if they dialed the tire technology back a few decades.

moto2 and moto3 are fine. 

my favorite was 500cc gp.

i never see moto2 or moto3 available on the tv, and i don't have patience to stream stuff.. :-/

i think the worst part is the electronics..  it's just a handicap

it's like parking assist in cars.

if you need it, it means YOU CAN'T FRIKKIN PARK

Quote from: ducatiz on October 03, 2012, 10:25:46 AM
my favorite was 500cc gp.

i never see moto2 or moto3 available on the tv, and i don't have patience to stream stuff.. :-/

iirc, moto2 airs race-sunday afternoons on speed and moto3 airs the following tuesdays.

Quote from: derby on October 03, 2012, 10:37:13 AM
iirc, moto2 airs race-sunday afternoons on speed and moto3 airs the following tuesdays.

yep.  almost always anyway.

Quote from: ducatiz on October 03, 2012, 10:25:46 AM
i think the worst part is the electronics..  it's just a handicap

it's like parking assist in cars.

if you need it, it means YOU CAN'T FRIKKIN PARK

I don't know about that comparison. Maybe if the parking assist was on a 600 hp muscle car that wouldn't idle below 4,000 rpms.

Pretty sure GP riders can ride whatever you give them.

Quote from: Triple J on October 03, 2012, 11:50:53 AM
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Pretty sure GP riders can ride whatever you give them.

It would be nice to see that again

Quote from: Triple J on October 03, 2012, 11:50:53 AM
Pretty sure GP riders can ride whatever you give them.

Yeah, I think that's what Rossi told Stoner

At the rate we're going we'll see a riderless series in a few years.

"Google vs. Microsoft"

Quote from: Triple J on October 03, 2012, 11:50:53 AM
I don't know about that comparison. Maybe if the parking assist was on a 600 hp muscle car that wouldn't idle below 4,000 rpms.

Pretty sure GP riders can ride whatever you give them.

Its an imperfect analogy but not incorrect.  Racing without electronics requires far more skill.

Quote from: ducpainter on October 03, 2012, 10:22:58 AM
or backed off on the electronic rider aids.

What he said!^   I want the riders to ride again. Not flip switches and just hang on. Yeah, I know... talent still gets you on the podium but like derby said, nothing like the crazy 500cc GP days. All the racers had their personal ortho doc in the pits with a 55 gallon drum of cast plaster!

I think you'd still see the same guys winning races without all the electronic aids as you do now. Fast is fast. The difference is the races might be closer, as winning might not require such as precise style.

I do agree that most of the electronics should go. However, I have no problem with traction control. I like to watch racing, not crashing, and I'd rather see healthy riders battling it out the entire season. Look how boring things got since Stoner left this year.

Quote from: Triple J on October 03, 2012, 01:00:00 PM
I think you'd still see the same guys winning races without all the electronic aids as you do now. Fast is fast. The difference is the races might be closer, as winning might not require such as precise style.

I do agree that most of the electronics should go. However, I have no problem with traction control. I like to watch racing, not crashing, and I'd rather see healthy riders battling it out the entire season. Look how boring things got since Stoner left this year.

I'm not positive that would be the case because the skill set might be different.

I think they'd have to be more precise to avoid the crashing.

I completely agree about the racing vs. crashing though.

Quote from: ducpainter on October 03, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
I'm not positive that would be the case because the skill set might be different.

I think they'd have to be more precise to avoid the crashing.

I completely agree about the racing vs. crashing though.

Ya, hard to say for sure, but fast guys tend to be fast on whatever.

I think they'd have to be more precise with the throttle, but not on their lines. Right now they're riding right at the edge, where missing an apex by a foot or two can be a big deal. If they weren't able to ride right at the edge lap after lap (i.e. less precise), then mistakes could be overcome more easily. Basically, it's the precision between WSBK and MotoGP right now...WSBK is much less precise overall (at least seems that way to me), despite them having traction control.

Quote from: Triple J on October 03, 2012, 01:25:32 PM
Ya, hard to say for sure, but fast guys tend to be fast on whatever.

I think they'd have to be more precise with the throttle, but not on their lines. Right now they're riding right at the edge, where missing an apex by a foot or two can be a big deal. If they weren't able to ride right at the edge lap after lap (i.e. less precise), then mistakes could be overcome more easily. Basically, it's the precision between WSBK and MotoGP right now...WSBK is much less precise overall (at least seems that way to me), despite them having traction control.

True, but all those guys are fast...even the 'slow' ones. The lack of so many electronics would make the guys with lower budgets faster if the guys with the resources of the big teams couldn't pin it everywhere

I was referring to the throttle precision.

I agree on the rest.

You mean, MotoGP's not going to add stick-shaker or butt-vibrator components to the bikes to warn of impeding washouts/highsides or imminent inside passes by Marc Marquez?

There was a good article this spring/summer in Roadracing World about British Superbike's (seemingly successful spec ECU) ban of traction control....no carnage as predicted.