^^^Yes,  the point is to introduce error, human error.  That is what keeps races close.  Not saying WSBK does not have electronics packages/aids, but Biaggi is a fine example.  He consistently runs wide in corners when pressure is applied to him.  He makes errors that allow others to close gaps.

Errors in GP result in crashes.  We need human error to play a more prevalent role in racing.  Machines and ecus don't know the difference between round 1 and the last lap of the championship that is a must win situation.  That is a level of awareness and pressure that adds excitement to human sport.

^^well stated

Quote from: ducatiz on October 28, 2012, 03:10:11 PM
^^well stated

+1

So I took everyone's advice and starting watching Moto 2/3.  Much better.  Much.  Only caught from Malaysia on but that was enough to hook me.  Now I just have to learn who the people are.  I find myself rooting for the Malaysian guy (begins w/ "K") in Moto 3.

Quick rules question: why do some people start the race in pit row?

Most likely because they had issues with the bike during the warm-up lap and had to come in for a pit stop.

tire changes, bike issues, or they're over the limit for engine allocation.

While looking for a motorcycle tow service, I googled upon this take on the state of MotoGP:

http://www.citybikerblog.com/2012/11/a-tale-of-two-riders/

For those with click-through aversion, he compares Rossi to current best riders (Stoner, Lorenzo) and praises the latter for not adopting the winning-is-everything attitude.  I gotta say, I completely disagree---the "now I just need to finish 7th or better and I can win a championship" attitude sucks.  Not that I want to see risky riding that endangers people.  But when I watched Marquez (?) push through to 1st place in Moto2 at Valencia when he was however many back and already had the championship locked up was, well, exciting!  If I wanted people safely competing for ties I'd watch soccer.

Quote from: 1.21GW on November 19, 2012, 09:31:12 PM
While looking for a motorcycle tow service, I googled upon this take on the state of MotoGP:

http://www.citybikerblog.com/2012/11/a-tale-of-two-riders/

For those with click-through aversion, he compares Rossi to current best riders (Stoner, Lorenzo) and praises the latter for not adopting the winning-is-everything attitude.  I gotta say, I completely disagree---the "now I just need to finish 7th or better and I can win a championship" attitude sucks.  Not that I want to see risky riding that endangers people.  But when I watched Marquez (?) push through to 1st place in Moto2 at Valencia when he was however many back and already had the championship locked up was, well, exciting!  If I wanted people safely competing for ties I'd watch soccer.

i think the goal for the older guys was to win races, I believe because it was more competitive. We you had multiple guys on the grid with the talent and machinery to win on any given Sunday (and in one case Saturday), you always had to go for broke. When you have at best 2 other guys that are in your league, you don't have to worry as much. Just being consistent will win you the championship. Boils down to the lack of competition, which gets even worse with Stoner retiring. Hopefully Rossi gets back into form and Marquez kamakaze's his way to the top.

Quote from: duccarlos on November 20, 2012, 05:22:12 AM
i think the goal for the older guys was to win races, I believe because it was more competitive. We you had multiple guys on the grid with the talent and machinery to win on any given Sunday (and in one case Saturday), you always had to go for broke. When you have at best 2 other guys that are in your league, you don't have to worry as much. Just being consistent will win you the championship. Boils down to the lack of competition, which gets even worse with Stoner retiring. Hopefully Rossi gets back into form and Marquez kamakaze's his way to the top.

consistency wins championships, period.

sometimes that means "consistently win," and sometimes that means "don't crash and takes points where you can".

Quote from: derby on November 20, 2012, 05:33:18 AM
consistency wins championships, period.

sometimes that means "consistently win," and sometimes that means "don't crash and takes points where you can".

Agreed, but when you're fighting against 1 other guy like this year consistency means that the guy that's the safest wins. This turns into boring racing. We can go on for hours complaining about it, but it boils down to competition, beyond the manufacturers developing bikes that are rockets on 2 wheels. Go back less than 10 years and count how many different guys were on podiums. Now do the same for this past season. This is not a machinery issue, well not 100%. There is a reason why they removed the rookie rule. The guys fighting it out today in Moto2 have the talent, but not the maturity. More than anything, if I was Carmelo, I would be looking at finding competitive machines for half those guys or at least get them as much seat time on 1K bikes for them to learn. Look at A. Espargo and what he did on the ART. They need talent like that on all the CRT's and not the bottom of the barrel that they have been fielding because the teams have no money to pay for the bigger names that are in Moto2.