y'all and this douche thing.  it cracks me up.

Quote from: gm2 on November 28, 2012, 11:44:21 AM
y'all and this douche thing.  it cracks me up.

Well...

he is. 

ok, you're in charge, so if you say so...

the thing he got penalized for in 2011, sure.  but in general hard passes and defensive riding?  there's not a enough of it.

marco, may he rest in peace, was a ton more douchey by that measure the first half of 2010.  marquez may have nearly pedro-le mans'd some riders.. marco actually did it.

i feel like the fact that 'motogp is boring' has made many of you forget that this is historically a contact sport. 

Quote from: gm2 on November 28, 2012, 12:03:20 PM


ok, you're in charge, so if you say so...

the thing he got penalized for in 2011, sure.  but in general hard passes and defensive riding?  there's not a enough of it.

marco, may he rest in peace, was a ton more douchey by that measure the first half of 2010.  marquez may have nearly pedro-le mans'd some riders.. marco actually did it.

i feel like the fact that 'motogp is boring' has made many of you forget that this is historically a contact sport. 

But he's Spanish...

hence he has no personality and can't get away with douchiness.

The Italians have a flair for douchiness. That's why Marco didn't bother me. 

Seriously...

hard racing is one thing...making a mistake and taking someone out is forgivable.

His 'style' isn't either of those.

Meanwhile in Jerez...a run whatcha brung free for all was goin down...

Pos No. Rider Bike Series Time Diff Previous
1 58 Eugene Laverty Aprilia WSBK 1:40.185     
2 66 Tom Sykes Kawasaki WSBK 1:40.400 0.215 0.215
3 69 Nicky Hayden Ducati MotoGP 1:40.855 0.670 0.455
4 84 Michel Fabrizio Aprilia WSBK 1:40.956 0.771 0.101
5 50 Sylvain Guintoli Aprilia WSBK 1:41.239 1.054 0.283
6 76 Loris Baz Kawasaki WSBK 1:41.500 1.315 0.261
7 51 Michele Pirro Ducati MotoGP 1:41.720 1.535 0.220
8 33 Marco Melandri BMW WSBK 1:41.800 1.615 0.080
9 29 Andrea Iannone Ducati MotoGP 1:41.834 1.649 0.034
10 66 Alex Hofmann Aprilia WSBK 1:42.103 1.918 0.269
11 7 Hiroshi Aoyama FTR Kawasaki MotoGP 1:42.509 2.324 0.406
12 8 Hector Barbera FTR Kawasaki MotoGP 1:42.900 2.715 0.391
13 7 Carlos Checa Ducati WSBK 1:43.089 2.904 0.189
14 19 Chaz Davies BMW WSBK 1:43.400 3.215 0.311
15 86 Ayrton Badovini Ducati WSBK 1:45.452 5.267 2.052
16 4 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati MotoGP 1:48.516 8.331 3.064


http://www.motomatters.com/results/2012/11/28/jerez_wsbk_and_ducati_motogp_test_day_3_.html



I wonder what it was was like with all the different machinery out there...if they alternated classes out or if it was a go out as you like which meant a WSBK coulda been followed by a MotoGP bike while a CRT was chasing them both or anything like that...

now that they are all under one roof, could you ever see a full on series of 3 races of WSBK vs MotoGP?

Look at the Ducati Moto GP times, how embarrassing. Actually, the Panigale aint going too flash either. Wonder if Checa wants the 1198 back?
Bring back the trellis! 

Quote from: koko64 on November 28, 2012, 01:59:37 PM
Look at the Ducati Moto GP times, how embarrassing.

to be fair, 1) we really don't know what their testing program is, and 2) it looks like the world superbike guys have had a couple-day head start on test/setups.

In Indy this year Marc rode his bike in the grass after he won waving to spectators up-close.  For that, having been at indy then, I have a soft spot for him. 
I expect lots of contact sport and for Marc to have some podium positions for sure.
But being Rossi and Dovi fan, I hope they do well.  Then Dani and Cal.

Quote from: derby on November 28, 2012, 02:02:44 PM
to be fair, 1) we really don't know what their testing program is, and 2) it looks like the world superbike guys have had a couple-day head start on test/setups.

The prototypes should have been able to spank the WSBK bikes within half a day. It does look like the GP13 is slightly better than GP12, but these times show that superbikes are running way too close to the big boys.

The 1199 looks to be a huge bust so far. I would like to hope that it's just that the riders that are used to the 1198 have to adjust their style, but I won't hold my breathe.

Quote from: duccarlos on November 29, 2012, 09:41:52 AM

The 1199 looks to be a huge bust so far.

Maybe not...Thursday times:

Times - SBK: 1. Melandri (BMW) 1'40"816 (50 laps); 2. Checa (Ducati) 1'41"840 (58); 3. Davies (BMW) 1'42"716 (70); 4. Badovini (Ducati) 1'44"529 (64). STK: 1. Neukirchner (Ducati) 1'44"426 (56); 2. Canepa (Ducati) 1'45"256 (28); 3. La Marra (Ducati) 1'45"526 (57).

A second slower than Melandri, but quite an improvement.

But still 1.7 seconds from Laverty's time. That's still a huge gap.

 Hope the P gets up to speed.
It's the GP13 I'm worried about.
With times like that they'll have to dumb down the SBKs. I 'spose it's fair to examine Ducati SBK Vs Ducati GP times and if the gap is acceptable for each marque.

At the risk of being naive/overly simplistic....if the Panigale is using something very similar to the GP "frame" then that must be the biggest constraint on performance, cause the GP engine is much more powerful than the Panigale engine.

Quote from: OT on November 29, 2012, 08:23:18 PM
At the risk of being naive/overly simplistic....if the Panigale is using something very similar to the GP "frame" then that must be the biggest constraint on performance, cause the GP engine is much more powerful than the Panigale engine.

? ? ?      No matter how many times I read that it still doesn't make sense.