but just to say... I respet your point and your opinion

I dont care if he did it or not  ( welle a little)

what I have a problem whit is that the "rule of law" is not respected in that case. 

Well, I agree with you, I would love to see Lance sue everyone who gave sworn grand jury testimony against him.

I'm sure USADA was able to persuade 26 people to perjure themselves with corroborating testimony.

QuoteThe U.S. Anti-Doping Agency on Wednesday released its evidence against Lance Armstrong â€" a massive dossier of more than 1,000 pages with sworn testimony from 26 people, including 15 cyclists with knowledge of Armstrong's doping activities on the U.S. Postal Service Cycling team.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2012/10/10/lance-armstrong-usada-reasoned-decision-teammates-doping/1624551/

Do yourself a favor, read the report, read Hamilton's book, watch the video, etc. before you waste anymore time defending Lance.

I'll be back when there's another Lance bombshell update...shouldn't be long.

Edit:  SCA will formally request repayment as early as tomorrow. 

QuoteThe Dallas-based insurance company will send a formal request to Lance Armstrong and his representatives, perhaps as early as Thursday, demanding repayment of bonuses the company paid the disgraced cyclist for his Tour de France wins in 2002, 2003 and 2004, as well as legal fees and interest.
“It could be $12 million, probably more,” the source told the Daily News.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/sca-promotions-lance-money-back-article-1.1191348#ixzz2AGiPXXIS

And from David Walsh on Twitter....

Quote
David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST

Central to SCA's case with LA will be their contention that in 2006 tribunal he committed perjury. He kept saying on oath he didn't dope.

If you think someone is doing something wrong and it takes you 7years to do something about it doesn't that make you an enabler?

actually i'm not defending lance  if he did it he did it but everybody as a wringht to a fair trial  that what I'm defending  .... I'm defending the "rule of law"   

Quote from: ducatigirl100 on October 24, 2012, 06:46:11 PM
actually i'm not defending lance  if he did it he did it but everybody as a wringht to a fair trial  that what I'm defending  .... I'm defending the "rule of law"   

Word.

But again, USADA is not a court of law.  Its only force is contractual.

Seems to me that it would have been in the best interest for the UCI to come out and say changes need to be made in regard to testing for doping and leave it at that. This is going to be a no win situation for both sides. Like I said before, I personally think he doped, doesn't change my opinion of him. I think he's done quit a bit of good for the sport as well as for cancer victims. As long as he is in the news, cycling will get noticed that is ultimately what the UCI wants. Its just too bad that one has to get lynched, when the fault lies on the whole.

LeMond to McQuaid

QuoteI want to tell the world of cycling to please join me in telling Pat McQuaid to f##k off and resign.

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2012/open-letter-pat-mcquaid-greg-lemond

McQuaid's son, Andrew, to Greg

Quotehttps://twitter.com/andrewmcquaid/st...18415619706880

'The main concern is not doping'... Really Greg, really? Is that because you, per chance, doped yourself?? #CHEATER

Talk about libel.  These people are ridiculous.  UCI needs to be wiped clean.

the more this soap opera churns stuff like this...the more the credibility will be hurt and the less care the people will have for UCI...end result...everyone gets hurt!

Quote from: zooom on October 25, 2012, 08:00:16 AM
the more this soap opera churns stuff like this...the more the credibility will be hurt and the less care the people will have for UCI...end result...everyone gets hurt!

I think I said about 10 pages ago this was going to bring everything down.

USADA's Torquemada-esqe zeal is going to backfire.

Quote from: ducatiz on October 25, 2012, 08:07:37 AM
I think I said about 10 pages ago this was going to bring everything down.

USADA's Torquemada-esqe zeal is going to backfire.

USADA and UCI are not allies.  If the UCI falls because of the corruption exposed in the USADA report, it will be a huge vindication for them.

QuoteUSADA chief executive Travis Tygart, who on Monday had called for a full and independent investigation into professional cycling, has since heaped further blame on UCI

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-23/business/sns-rt-cycling-armstrongwordsl1e8lnhik-20121023_1_usada-uci-travis-tygart

I think stateprez works for the USADA. 

Quote from: stateprez on October 25, 2012, 08:45:35 AM
USADA and UCI are not allies.  If the UCI falls because of the corruption exposed in the USADA report, it will be a huge vindication for them.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-23/business/sns-rt-cycling-armstrongwordsl1e8lnhik-20121023_1_usada-uci-travis-tygart

I think the opposite will happen.  People will dissociate from USADA due to their witchhunt tactics.

They should stick to quasi-legal guidelines, including statutes of limitations.  If Armstrong did in fact dope and managed to test clean for so many years, then fix the system and move forward.

Now we have 7 years of Tour de Frogs with no winner.  Really?  That's about as dumb as it goes.

Quote from: ducatiz on October 25, 2012, 09:09:04 AM
I think the opposite will happen.  People will dissociate from USADA due to their witchhunt tactics.

They should stick to quasi-legal guidelines, including statutes of limitations.  If Armstrong did in fact dope and managed to test clean for so many years, then fix the system and move forward.

Now we have 7 years of Tour de Frogs with no winner.  Really?  That's about as dumb as it goes.

Again, it's not USADA's guidelines, it's the UCI.  Fixing the system = gutting the UCI.  That's their next "witchhunt," and it's working.

For the average person reading soundbite media, Lance fanboys, etc. maybe.  People who pay for racing licenses (aka fund USA Cycling), pay entry fees, buy team jerseys, high end equipment, have no allegiance to Lance.  Go to a race and see how many people wear Liestrong bracelets.

The Tour is a private entity.  If they feel no winner should be named, then that's in their best interest.

cycling is sucking big time lately.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/othersports/lance-armstrong-made-overtures-to-usada-regarding-confession-dialogue-now-closed/2013/01/05/1008a00a-5766-11e2-bf3e-76c0a789346f_story.html