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Am I being unreasonable?

Started by LMT, January 10, 2013, 06:31:21 PM

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LMT

I have a situation at work. I was hired last May with the understanding that I would do office work for 3 months and then get moved to training.  This has not happened yet. The office work is mind numbingly boring. I can get it all done in under 2 hours each day. It may spike up a few hours if someone is out sick.

I was given an independent contractor contract to sign. They want me to teach a few classes. If I do this, I have to sign the contract. It states that I can not take a vacation day on the day I teach.

Lets say I am contracted to teach a class on Thursday. I would get the contracted rate of $250 for the day. I would not get my regular pay. My pay check at the 2 week point would be a day short. I am paid by the hour.

The contract states that I am not allowed to take a vacation day on the day I teach. This pisses me off.

In essence, I am not getting $250 for the day of teaching. I am getting the difference from what I would be making at my hourly rate.
The boss says that there is no "double dipping" allowed. I stated that if they hired a different person to teach they would still be out the money.

Am I being unreasonable here? What I really want is a better wage and would do the office work and teach.  They will not do that either.

ducpainter

Tell the boss if there's no double dipping then he can't have you as both an hourly employee and an independent contractor.

Goose and gander type thing you know. ;D

Then walk out...wait...

don't necessarily do what I'd do.

It can provide for lean times. ;)
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LMT

He was mad and defensive the whole time. I could live with it he pretended to understand my position.

kopfjäger

It doesn't seem you have a choice, other than to find new employment.
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LMT

Quote from: kopfjäger on January 10, 2013, 06:41:00 PM
It doesn't seem you have a choice, other than to find new employment.

Looking. Does not help that the office moved and my daily commute went from 3 miles round trip to 42.

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Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on January 10, 2013, 06:43:51 PM
Looking. Does not help that the office moved and my daily commute went from 3 miles round trip to 42.

Ouch, All I have to offer is keep looking.

If you are doing Contract work, you should be doing it as an LLC.
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Stella

Possibly a different spin but what if you did the contractual teaching (under an LLC as Kopf suggests - not as a C Corp as i highly suggest you avoid) for the sole purpose of building your own consulting/teaching credentials so you can eventually build your own business and not deal with these issues (but oh so many others).   ;)

Food (protein-laden omelette style) for thought.
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ducpainter

Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on January 10, 2013, 06:40:27 PM
He was mad and defensive the whole time. I could live with it he pretended to understand my position.

I couldn't live with his double standard.
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a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
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    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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geoffduc

I just thank God that I'm retired (or is it retarded)... ;) ;)

I'd hate to have to suffer the kind of shit that seems to go with jobs these days... [bang]

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LMT


ducpainter

Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on January 10, 2013, 09:13:52 PM
Really, neither can I.
Truth is you can't be both at the same job.

Either you're an employee and get paid salary or hourly, or your a contract employee and you get paid according to the contract.

Run as fast as you can.
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a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”



DesmoDiva

If you are truly doing contract work, you should get 2 paychecks: one for your hourly work made out to you, and one for your contract work made out to the name of your business.

The legal/accounting status of a contractor is very different than that of an employee.

I would be pissed too.

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Quote from: ducpainter on January 11, 2013, 04:04:29 AM
Truth is you can't be both at the same job.

Either you're an employee and get paid salary or hourly, or your a contract employee and you get paid according to the contract.
^^ This

Quote from: ducpainter on January 11, 2013, 04:04:29 AMRun as fast as you can.
Ideally this too... although having bills to pay can mess with ideals somewhat  :-\

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LMT

Quote from: DesmoDiva on January 11, 2013, 04:47:01 AM
If you are truly doing contract work, you should get 2 paychecks: one for your hourly work made out to you, and one for your contract work made out to the name of your business.

The legal/accounting status of a contractor is very different than that of an employee.

I would be pissed too.

Yes, 2 separate checks. They have muddied the waters by saying that I would still accrue vacation and sick pay on days I was not on the company clock and working as a contractor.

DesmoDiva

Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on January 11, 2013, 05:24:09 AM
Yes, 2 separate checks. They have muddied the waters by saying that I would still accrue vacation and sick pay on days I was not on the company clock and working as a contractor.

[bang]

That's not (technically) legal...

How are you suppose to show income (and take the tax write-offs) for your business if that income is bundled into your hourly paycheck?

Personally, I would think having you do the work as a contractor, completely legally and financially, separate from your hourly work would be better for them. 
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