Quote from: fastwin on January 28, 2013, 12:46:45 PM
kopf,

All the kidding posts aside, I hope your friend's leg will be OK. Looks really bad. Could happen to anyone. Lesson learned people. Be heads up and safe.

Hope he heals well with no complications. Thank God it wasn't a wound from the waist up. Wish him our best.

That's why I won't let my step son go up or down from his tree stand with his deer rifle loaded. Or climb over a barb wire fence.

fastwin

Wait, people get in and out of stands with weapons loaded?



I wouldn't even consider that.

Quote from: Monsterlover on January 28, 2013, 05:57:56 PM
Wait, people get in and out of stands with weapons loaded?



I wouldn't even consider that.

Not an issue if it's on safe. Also a bolt over ride.

I'm not a hunter, I have only shot my granpa's 22 when I was a kid, sometimes I peek in on this thread to get a glimpse of a world that is totally foreign to me.  But I thought only bowhunters hunted from tree stands?

Quote from: kopfjäger on January 28, 2013, 05:59:53 PM
Not an issue if it's on safe. Also a bolt over ride.

I've never trusted a safety enough to do that - but I'm a real wuss when it comes to tree stands. The weapon (bow, mostly) doesn't climb up or down with me but gets roped up & down, guns are unloaded with the action open. And I'll admit to using a harness when I'm up there.

Hope your friend heals fast & recovers as much use of the leg as possible!!!!

I wonder how much of the wound was from the high velocity powder gasses vs actual bullet damage.  At contact distances, that supersonic gas flow can be tremendously destructive.  Best wishes to your buddy.

Looks as much as gas damage as bullet damage the way the flesh is rolled up.

JM

Quote from: WarrenJ on January 29, 2013, 08:42:04 AM
I wonder how much of the wound was from the high velocity powder gasses vs actual bullet damage.  At contact distances, that supersonic gas flow can be tremendously destructive.  Best wishes to your buddy.

the essence of a male response to something like this.  change the forum and post that for a bunch of girls...

here we are all examining the wound and discussing the nature of the flesh rolling up... lols

Quote from: WarrenJ on January 29, 2013, 08:42:04 AM
I wonder how much of the wound was from the high velocity powder gasses vs actual bullet damage.  At contact distances, that supersonic gas flow can be tremendously destructive.  Best wishes to your buddy.

The rifle was laying against his leg, bullet only went an inch in, the wound is all from the over pressure of the barrel.

Quote from: kopfjäger on January 29, 2013, 06:55:47 PM
The rifle was laying against his leg, bullet only went an inch in, the wound is all from the over pressure of the barrel.

What loads?  Commercial or home grown?

Quote from: ducatiz on January 29, 2013, 07:00:20 PM
What loads?  Commercial or home grown?

Store bought.

here we are all examining the wound and discussing the nature of the flesh rolling up... lols

Over the years, I've been around/ had a couple of powder gas injuries on a far smaller scale - that injury had the same look, just WAY bigger - I've shot and butchered lots of critters with high powered rifles - bullet holes don't look that way.

Quote from: WarrenJ on January 29, 2013, 07:29:12 PM
here we are all examining the wound and discussing the nature of the flesh rolling up... lols

Over the years, I've been around/ had a couple of powder gas injuries on a far smaller scale - that injury had the same look, just WAY bigger - I've shot and butchered lots of critters with high powered rifles - bullet holes don't look that way.

Even exit wounds caused by 12 gauge slugs?

Slugs aren't typically going as fast as a high velocity rifle bullet so you don't typically see big coffee can sized smoking hole exits with slugs.  Some of the new expanding sabot style slugs might have different terminal effects.  With a high velocity expanding rifle bullet, you typically see a cavity and torn/pulverized tissue blown out, this wound looked like it was gouged out of the leg, which it was, mainly by the force of the supersonic powder gasses. 

Slugs typically don't have as much tissue damage as an expanding high velocity rifle bullet, unless you hit big bones, then all bets are off.  There are so many variables with terminal effects that
its hard to make any hard and fast statements about performance that you can't poke a lot of holes in. 

A slug's main claim to fame is its large frontal area and large mass.  It is going around 1000 fps or more slower than a typical rifle bullet.  It has a lot of momentum, mediocre sectional density (except in the case of some sabots)  and relatively low kinetic energy, where a good rifle bullet is faster, has better sectional density and has higher kinetic energy (and typically less frontal area, etc)

^ this... I'm a shotgun guy. WJ is right.

Quote from: ducpainter on January 27, 2013, 04:18:43 PM
Having the safety on might have been a good idea.

Stupid is as stupid does.