- Ok, this is part of an ad campaign for a new movie. But, it was interesting to see the reactions, saddening in some cases.

Elevator Murder Experiment

So I can't say I've ever come across this exact thing, but have stumbled into a couple violent dog on dog or dog on person situation. In my case, based on what I've done in the past, the guy doing the choking would probably have gotten some nasty kicks right to the grill. But that's a probably, it does make one wonder.

Last situation like this, I was involved in, was in a apartment type condo building that I had a ground floor place in. There were several dogs that lived in the building as many of the residents were owners and allowed.

I lived on the ground floor and on occasion could hear dogs being grumpy at each other in the lobby. Generally it amounted to nothing as the floor was slick marble and any dog owner knows how poorly dog paws generate grip on a surface like that.

This particular evening I was home due to a heavy snow that wasn't worth dealing with. Around 10 pm I'm pondering going to bed when I hear animated dog-noise from the lobby.

It didn't stop quickly.

I decided to investigate. I exit my place into the main hall. This hall had a 90 degree turn before I would get to the lobby. I get to the end of my section, and turn the corner.

"Oh shit!" and I took off towards the chaos at full tilt.

The scene infront of me didn't make 100% sense at the moment - but there was no time to waist. A large pit bull (an animal that had been banned from the building months before for attacking the same guide dog) was clamped onto the ear and cheek of a yellow lab seeing eye dog, and the petite woman that owned the guide was sprawled on the ground pulling on his leash in a desperate to separate the two dogs. At that moment, no other people were in evidence.

I cleared the space from the turn to the dogs quickly and lept onto the back of the attacking dog (Rugby coach would have been proud of the form), sliped and arm around its neck for the best rear naked choke I'd ever thrown on (Jiu-Jitsu coach would have been proud) and clamped down until the pit let go. As the craze passes, I now realized I'm sprawled on the slippery floor, attached to a dog that was just attacking another and being to formulate a battle plan to keep it from doing any further harm to the guide, me or the guides owner in the event it wasn't done.

Mercifully, and happily for me the dog though very animal agressive was quite submissive towards me and didn't even attempt anything further.

At this point I get my head up to find the dumbass who owns the agressor and another neighbor in a side hall that lead to a courtyard looking on with saucer sized eyes. I tell the would be helper neighbor to get other help, medical supplies and yell at the owner of the pit to take me to her place and I heave the dog up in a part hug, part hold since there was no leash, the woman who owned the pit was attempting to hand hold the harness of the dog than was nearly as large as she was.

She protests briefly

"I've been bitten!"

- it was a single tooth, in-out, puncture. It would need attention, but far from critical.

"Too make the beast with two backsing bad. You can take care of it in your place where you and the dog are staying until the cops come."

Newman, the guide needed a good number of stitches for a long cut in is cheek and a couple through tears of his ear, but was just fine in the end. The owner of the pit, who had been sneaking the dog in and out of service ways for months never showed at court. I'm not sure what happened to the dog, probably put down. I've always felt that she, the dog, was a bit of a victim in it all.

-So that's what I do...

I would have jumped right in.

I couldn't believe that guy at the end decided to take video.

I am surprised someone didn't draw out their concealed weapon

Quote from: zooom on March 05, 2013, 07:00:54 PM
I am surprised someone didn't draw out their concealed weapon

Probably filmed where 'guns are bad' 

I just renewed my CPR certificate last week.  Every time I take the class, the instructor points out how typically only one person..if any..does something in a traumatic situation.     

I was in PHX getting gas for the Duc and sitting next to a motorcycle cop. I took off and at the intersection, I looked down the side road and saw that a pit bull had another dog's leg in its mouth.  The owners of the dogs Were beating the Pit over the head but it didn't let go. I did a u-turn and went back to tell the cop and then rode back to the scene. By that time, the pit pulled the dogs skin off its leg like a tube sock. I didn't want to get in he middle of it so snapped a few pics instead for the owner of the attacked dog.  I probably would've jumped in too to save an old lady or kid.  Nice job intervening! 

Quote from: Slide Panda on March 05, 2013, 07:54:23 AM
"Oh shit!" and I took off towards the chaos at full tilt."

This is what sets you apart from most others. You either have it or you don't.

Quote from: IZ on March 05, 2013, 07:33:11 PM
I didn't want to get in he middle of it so snapped a few pics instead for the owner of the attacked dog.  I probably would've jumped in too to save an old lady or kid.  Nice job intervening!  

yeah, lots of people don't know what to do with dogs, and it can be dangerous to get between two mixing it up. The other neighbor who had come to assist, and the stupid owner of the pit didn't have a freaking clue

In my case, it wasn't a mix up was just the one dog attacking the other, so I was lucky that way. But even if it had been a conflict, I'd have probably bowled the dog pile over to separate them and take the fight from there, while keeping it on the marble where I had a traction advantage. But, admittedly at the time my thinking was limited to:
- Shock (Oh Shit!)
- Gotta help! (sprint down hall and flying tackle the agressor)

Admittedly, I'm a bit different than many folks. Number of years playing rugby ad studying then teaching Krav Maga have given me less fear of physical involvement than many folk.

The lady with the bunch of flowers beating on the guy may argue that it's not training but a willingness to get involved, and then you have the useless pile of matter that just started taping it with his phone. Regardless of the motivation, good on those who do intervene.

Didn't say that training and will were exclusive at all.  I didn't comment on the will to get involved at all.

Training does give one the luxury of having some 'built in tools' that can be accessed quickly, with little to no thought once the decision to get involved has been made.

But it's that decision to get involved to help out someone in need is really the point.

Quote from: Slide Panda on March 06, 2013, 09:04:54 AM


But it's that decision to get involved to help out someone in need is really the point.

I liked that several of the folks who intervened were smaller, older people who would have very good rationalizations NOT to get involved.

And maybe I'm jaded by too much faux-reality drama, but many of those felt awfully staged, particularly video guy - who, you've got to admit, was doing something more constructive & likely to disrupt an attack than the ones who walked away.

Quote from: Slide Panda on March 06, 2013, 07:34:25 AM

Admittedly, I'm a bit different than many folks. Number of years playing rugby ad studying then teaching Krav Maga have given me less fear of physical involvement than man folk.

Dude, you are like a Super Panda!  Good on ya for helping out the golden.

People in this area tend to disgust me with their non willingness to help their fellow citizens.  Its all about "me" and sorry but I cant be bothered to lend a hand.

Reminds me of the Kitty Genovese murder in New York City.  Lady was stabbed multiple times in the streets of a close knit neighborhood.  Was a summer night and most everyones windows were open.  Noone responded or helped even though she repeatedly screamed for help.

The neighbors were later interviewed.  Most common response, "I thought someone else would help/call the police".

Quote from: rgramjet on March 06, 2013, 10:44:30 AM
Dude, you are like a Super Panda!  Good on ya for helping out the golden.

I'd a done something regardless of the dog mix - though it did make the tale a little more epic that I came to the aid of a seeing eye dog.

Yellow Lab. Newman was a lab. The lady who owned him always knew if I was around/insight of Newman after that. Despite his training he'd always get fussed and want to come say "Hi"
- Dumb dogs my posterior

Quote from: rgramjet on March 06, 2013, 10:44:30 AM
People in this area tend to disgust me with their non willingness to help their fellow citizens. 

My other big story was just me calling the cops - as there was nothing more I could do - guy was beyond my or really anyones helping. I was the first one to find a guy who'd just been shot. Lemme tell you - call 911 in Arlington VA and mention gunshots and WOW sirens start all over, FAST

proud of you panda.
my 120 lbs sister in law took her boxer to obedience school and was taught that in a dog on dog fight you can safely grab a dogs hind legs and lift them in the air rendering the dog harmless. she actually put this action into practice when her boxer and a pit bull got into it at the park. she managed to hold on to its legs for about a minute until the owner leashed it.

if your going to intervene its good to know what your doing.
btw the pit owner in your story should have caught a good beating!

Yeah, pulling and holding their hind legs really disables a dog from doing much maneuver in the short term - though you usually have to keep inching back. One issue there is that if it's a mutual conflict the other dog is free for cheap shots, if not also restrained.

In my tale, it wasn't mutual and the pit had clamped on. Though I didn't think about it at the time, pulling on it would probably have worsened the injuries to the lab which were bad enough. I helped try to patch him up and stop the bleeding for the evening as everything including the emergency vet was shut down due to the storm. Of course one of the injuries was a good tear through is ear - so any of our fussing with it caused him to shake his head. I got home looking like something from a slasher film.

The woman who owned the pit sucked. She shirked paying the vet bills for the guide dog, so she was taken to court. The lady who owned the guide was nicer than I would have been and only took her to small claims and only filed for the vet costs. The Pit owner didn't show at court so the judge saw fit to award the small claims limit, not just the named $s in the suit.

The pit owner did get a bite from her own dog in the process - but really it never should have happened. The dog was near as bit as she was and she had no clue how to manage that animal. No blame for the dog in me, it was all her... grrr