Quote from: ZILBERT on March 03, 2013, 07:54:04 PM
They already have a certified copy of the original custody order from the Iowa courts. The magistrate who issued the order to place my youngest into protective custody "overrode" that order.
Citing that in the case of a child being in a dangerous situation, the state has rights to supersede all previous custody orders.

that's the key part.  the MO court has to make sure you're not part of the danger.  that you weren't somehow complicit or involved. 

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It said that she could not move out of state without first having the custody and visitation amended.
She moved out of state.
She didn't tell anyone until 6 weeks after doing it.
The state of Iowa held her in contempt.
The state of Missouri refused to "get in the middle"...until now.

something is wrong then.  this is a common occurrence and we regularly get out of state courts to enforce this kind of order.  whatever corresponding court in MO should have had no problem enforcing the contempt charge, or the original order.

i can't comment specifically on your case, but my office regularly deals with this.. there must be something else involved.

however, when a child is in danger, all bets are (at least temporarily) off.

Hearing went well.
I mean as well as a hearing about your child's future because she was removed from the home of her meth lab entrepreneur mother's house...

So, I found out a little (and I mean little) bit more about why they won't just let me bring her home...apparently, once the child is placed into protective custody, this apparently supersedes any and all custody orders.
So even though we had joint custody, we are back at the proverbial square one.
But it isn't as bad as it sounds. The ball is rolling for the state of Missouri to place her in my care.
I called my attorney on the way home who will submit a revised custody order up here.
Once I am granted custody by Missouri, I can petition the state of Iowa to grant me sole custody. This then overwrites the Missouri "temporary" order.

You're right, Tiz...Missouri just wants to make sure they aren't moving her from one bad situation to another.

She did make it clear that she wants to finish out the school year in Missouri and the current care provider is 100% OK with her remaining there until then.

Just 3 more hearings to go.
The judge did order that I am to have full permissions to take her for visitations any time I want as long as the case worker knows where she is at all times.


My 18 yo is having a hard time deciding what she wants. She claims that she wants to be there for her mom "in case something happens in the middle of the night and they need me".
She went to this morning's arraignment and now has a better idea of what kind of time her mom faces and that it is very unlikely that she will be getting out before my 18yo 25th birthday if she is convicted.
Apparently, my ex wife already has one class C felony on her record. And 3 or 4 misdemeanor drugs and alcohol related charges which were all sentenced for rehab/treatment that she never did.

Anyway, my brain is putty. I am going to go eat something and then sleep for about 12 hours. 

Yug

hang in there.  it will work out as long as you are not an alien or a weirdo.

:-/

Quote from: ducatiz on March 04, 2013, 04:35:31 PM
Yug

hang in there.  it will work out as long as you are not an alien or a weirdo.

:-/

One out of two isn't bad.

What an absolute nightmare this whole situation must be for you. Good luck, Zltful.

Holy bat-balls!

Good luck!  You shouldn't need it, but I'll wish it anyway.

Quote from: ducatiz on March 04, 2013, 04:35:31 PM
Yug

hang in there.  it will work out as long as you are not an alien or a weirdo.

:-/

Time to hide the spaceship.

I'll just hide it in Uranus. 


Anyway, my 18yo is now at her Grandma's house. (Ex's mom).
They are going back down for a jail visit on Sunday then my 18yo is going to be moving in with my dad. We just don't have the space on such short notice but depending on how things go and where she gets a job, she will most likely stay there for a while. She has agreed to help pay for expenses and a small amount for rent.

My youngest...I think what is going to happen there is I will sue for full custody/removal of her mother's parental rights.
Once that is done, my youngest will most likely is going to stay down there to finish out at least this school year and we will play it by ear from there.
I told her that she needs to be where she will feel like she has the best chance to succeed and that I won't force her to do anything she doesn't want to do.

Ultimately, I have a strong feeling that she will end up with us.

So some updates...

My 18yo moved up here. She is living at my dad's house but has also been given the option of a posession charge back home in Missouri and some jail time (they all it "shock") or she can get a drug abuse evaluation and follow their recommendation to the letter.
She is at the eval as I type this.
She needs to get her shit together because hanging out at the park across the street from my dad's house all day instead of hopping the bus and hitting up places to apply to like she said she was going to do but didn't...not gonna fly very long.
I want to be there for her but I can't sit by and let her turn into a full scale replica of her mother.

My 15yo was suspended from school for being late too many time in the last couple of weeks.
The state has begun evaluating her current household's status as a foster care provider because she also tested positive to marijuana...and she also was bragging on Facebook about how she beat the first test by dipping the cup in the toilet water.
So the case worker called me and said that she may have no choice but to move her out of that house. I am fully for it as I suspect that she is smoking weed with the caregiver's daughter (19yo drop out lives at home...self proclaimed "witch"...).

The custody request has been passed on to the state folks in Jefferson City, MO. Those folks will send it to Iowa to get that ball rollin' along.
Still a whole lot of waiting...

Wow...

So your little one was clean, right up until she was taken away from the nutjob ex.
Screwed up world, I tell you.

I can't even begin to give you advice on the older one, as she's at the age where she will do whatever she can think up, and only she can give or not give a crap about what the choices do to her and everyone around her.

Good luck to you, and to your kids.

BC.

Man, I hope the older one keeps her head on straight. Such a bad age to go haywire.... 

Quote from: Speedbag on March 18, 2013, 04:42:12 PM
Man, I hope the older one keeps her head on straight. Such a bad age to go haywire.... 

Agreed.  No damn good.

 

So I spent most of yesterday trying to get a hold of my 18yo.
Needed some contact info from her because the state of Missouri feels that the home that my youngest is currently in isn't good for her (Gee...ya think? I mean she was only suspended yesterday for being late to school EVERY make the beast with two backsING DAY SINCE SHE WAS PLACED THERE). There are rumors that the caregiver's 19yo daughter is providing my youngest with marijuana and the mom isn't doing anything to stop it. The caseworker did a mouth swab drug test on her but admitted that a UA was much more accurate. But the only tech that was available for the test was a male and obvious a male can't go into the bathroom with her.

The reason I couldn't find my 18yo is because she spent the day with some 27yo guy she met on an online dating site 2 days ago and ended up spending the entire day and all night last night with him.
Unfortunately for her, I had "Find Friends" installed on her phone when she first got up here so I already know pretty much everything about this guy.
She seemed rather surprised when I texted her this morning with "So...how are you and Alin doing this morning..."
She actually replied to that asking how I knew who she was with. She was even more surprised when I texted her his full name, address, DoB, SS#, what make model and year car he drives, who he has his auto insurance through (liability only), his parents' names and addresses (they were divorced in 98...).
Don't try to pull shit over on the guy with the former CIA analyst for a wife. She has "resources".

Anyway, she is supposed to be going to get signed up for treatment this morning. She was supposed to be there by 8 but called and told my brother's fiance not to pick her up until 10 so she has a chance to get to my dad's house and change.

I think I freaked her out pretty good but SERIOUSLY don't think she is taking any of this serious. I am on the verge of just stepping back and letting that whole trainwreck unfold and then being there when she actually does hit rock bottom to give her a hand back up. I seriously think that she needs a HUGE reality check.

Before anyone else gets their panties in a bunch, it isn't like we called the new director of the CIA (my wife worked with him when he was an analyst) for information on this guy.

We both used resources available to the general public that involve no level of government clearance. No laws were broken, bent, twisted, molested, scalded, waterboarded or otherwise violated to obtain the information on this guy.
Every piece of information is available publically if you just know where to look. Granted, the SS# was a bit of a surprise but he was first issued his license before Iowa switched away from SS#s being the same as your license #.

QuoteBefore anyone else gets their panties in a bunch, it isn't like we called the new director of the CIA (my wife worked with him when he was an analyst) for information on this guy.

We both used resources available to the general public that involve no level of government clearance. No laws were broken, bent, twisted, molested, scalded, waterboarded or otherwise violated to obtain the information on this guy.
Every piece of information is available publically if you just know where to look. Granted, the SS# was a bit of a surprise but he was first issued his license before Iowa switched away from SS#s being the same as your license #.

ya gotta do whatcha gotta do