Good race. Not sure why Red Bull cut Weber's nuts out. 

Quote from: kopfjäger on March 24, 2013, 05:11:13 PM
Good race. Not sure why Red Bull cut Weber's nuts out. 

au contraire   . . . RB was trying to keep ugly baby behind . . . and Hamilton's statement "it should be Nico up here not me" . ..  gonna be a hell of a week or two before China's race . ..

+1 great race
Webber is pissed

Quote from: The Don on March 24, 2013, 07:13:04 PM
+1 great race
Webber is pissed

I don't blame him. He had the race won.

Quote from: kopfjäger on March 24, 2013, 07:16:05 PM
I don't blame him. He had the race won.

+1  Sounded to me like they had orders to hold position and Vettel ignored them.

I've never been a Hamilton fan, but his podium interview made me like him more. Nice to see a driver honest enough to admit he was gifted the position. His pulling into the McLaren pits at the beginning was hilarious! 

Entertaining race...and all this makes for good drama! 

The racing in F1 the last few years has become better, the only thing I dont like at the moment is the team orders.
I think the best way to get rid of the team orders thing, is too remove the communications from the cars and let the drivers fight it out until the end.

Quote from: kopfjäger on March 24, 2013, 07:16:05 PM
I don't blame him. He had the race won.

Agree that Weber "should have" won the race and V3's move was a bit jackhatish but the guy wants to win.  While they shouldn't wreck each other this is racing and at the end of the day who wants to be told to hold off.  RB did that so they could amass as many constructor points as possible.....While the team aspect of F1 is important and awesome to see, sometimes yo gotta throw that out the window and get teh duWa. 

Quote from: MonstaS2R on March 27, 2013, 06:41:53 AM
Agree that Weber "should have" won the race and V3's move was a bit jackhatish but the guy wants to win.  While they shouldn't wreck each other this is racing and at the end of the day who wants to be told to hold off.  RB did that so they could amass as many constructor points as possible.....While the team aspect of F1 is important and awesome to see, sometimes yo gotta throw that out the window and get teh duWa. 

the only thing that matters to the team is the world constructors' championship. that's how the teams get paid. if their driver wins the drivers' championship in the process, all the better, but it's not a priority.

if the team tells you to back off and hold position, you back the make the beast with two backs off and hold position. they may be asking you to save your tires, they may think you're at risk of not having enough fuel (to finish the race or provide a post-race fuel-sample), they may even be trying to protect the engine and/or transmission for subsequent rounds.

it's part of the team strategy. period.

Quote from: derby on March 27, 2013, 06:59:11 AM
the only thing that matters to the team is the world constructors' championship. that's how the teams get paid. if their driver wins the drivers' championship in the process, all the better, but it's not a priority.

if the team tells you to back off and hold position, you back the make the beast with two backs off and hold position. they may be asking you to save your tires, they may think you're at risk of not having enough fuel (to finish the race or provide a post-race fuel-sample), they may even be trying to protect the engine and/or transmission for subsequent rounds.

it's part of the team strategy. period.

Quote from: derby on March 27, 2013, 06:59:11 AM
the only thing that matters to the team is the world constructors' championship. that's how the teams get paid. if their driver wins the drivers' championship in the process, all the better, but it's not a priority.

if the team tells you to back off and hold position, you back the make the beast with two backs off and hold position. they may be asking you to save your tires, they may think you're at risk of not having enough fuel (to finish the race or provide a post-race fuel-sample), they may even be trying to protect the engine and/or transmission for subsequent rounds.

it's part of the team strategy. period.

I see all points on this issue that the team is greater than the individual but these guys are racers.  Weber can't say, pay me more money to join your team because I was on the 3x winning RB team.  It's a selfish thought but at the end of the day, while these guys are racing for a team they also have self interests at play and V3 slipped up and let his out of hte box for the moment. 

Quote from: MonstaS2R on March 28, 2013, 09:38:56 AM
  Weber can't say, pay me more money to join your team because I was on the 3x winning RB team.

I think he probably could, but I don't think he needs to, as the teams know who the fast drivers are already. Team orders are just part of F1 racing. 

This isn't the 1st time Vettel has ignored his team, just probably the most serious. He did it in a couple races last year as well...the one where he set fastest lap on one of the last laps of the race, despite having a huge lead and his team telling him multiple times to slow down, comes to mind.