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Started by fastwin, June 26, 2010, 11:24:07 AM

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Ontario_Monster

Quote from: ducatiz on April 02, 2013, 11:40:37 AM
You can photograph it and write down the numbers and write the Herstal factory and get an official provenance for it.

Good condition Nazi HP's sell for up to $800 in the US.  I've seen an unfired model go for $700 at auction and one that was used as an officer's weapon (came with holster with officer's name) and some other items for $1000. 

There were a bunch of forgeries made in the early 80s when a lot of them came into the US.  Getting the provenance from the factory will help valuation.



Thanks, I'm pretty sure it isn't a forgery ... I remember my grand father having it when I was a kid and always being curious about it.  Seems the local cops were as well as there were .... 5-8 different caliber bullets that everyone kept dropping off to see if it was the correct caliber.  When I got my local dept wrote down 9mm and wanted me to being it down to fire it any time, never took them up on it, and misplaced it till recently.  Now off to write my letter.  I'll post some pics later this week.

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Quote from: Ontario_Monster on April 02, 2013, 02:05:12 PM
Thanks, I'm pretty sure it isn't a forgery ... I remember my grand father having it when I was a kid and always being curious about it.  Seems the local cops were as well as there were .... 5-8 different caliber bullets that everyone kept dropping off to see if it was the correct caliber.  When I got my local dept wrote down 9mm and wanted me to being it down to fire it any time, never took them up on it, and misplaced it till recently.  Now off to write my letter.  I'll post some pics later this week.

Cheers

Try emailing them first.

I've never heard of an HP being anything but 9mm (Luger)
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WarrenJ

If the holster is correct and Nazi marked, it could be worth as much as the gun.  Waffenampt (sp) stamps or Nazi proofs will increase the value of the highpower quite a bit. 
Certain marked magazines are also quite valuable.

Following is a post I snagged of a website that gives a basic breakdown of the 3 basic variations of Nazi Hi-Powers.  The post was written in reply to a comment about a specific serial # gun so please disregard that section unless it applies to your pistol. 


The info here was culled from a number of sites.

In 1940, the Germans seized the Fabrique Nationale factory and continued to produce High Power pistols for the Wehrmacht. Collectors recognize 3 variations of High Power pistols manufactured under German occupation.

First variation models are the most valuable, they have serial numbers under 53000, and were manufactured from pre-occupation parts that were in stock at the FN factory at the time of takeover. These pistols have walnut grips, a high polish commercial grade finish, a tangent 500 meter rear sight (this is the sliding sight that you mention) and slot for a holster/shoulder stock attachment.

Second variation pistol serial numbers are in the 53000 to 145000 range. These pistols are just about the same as first variation pistols with walnut grips, a high polish commercial grade finish, a tangent 500 meter rear sight but they are not slotted for a holster/shoulder stock.

Third variation pistols were manufactured towards the end of the war, they have serial numbers over 145000 or serial numbers with letter suffix. Finish on third variation pistols is a poor quality military grade, sights are non-adjustable 50 meters and grips are either wooden or brown plastic.

The High Power pistol was designed by John Moses Browning and manufactured by Fabrique Nationale (FN) in Herstal, Belgium. The Belgians were first armed forces to adopt the High Power as an official sidearm, they did this in 1935. Between 1935 and the German capture of the FN factory on May 29, 1940 contracts were filled for the armed forces of several countries including Belgium, China, Peru, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Sweden and France.

From the plant's seizure by the Germans in May of 1940 to its liberation in September of 1944, over 319,000 High Powers pistols were manufactured for the German Wehrmacht. The first several thousand pistols were made up from captured parts and had a high polish finish, a shoulder stock slot cut into the rear grip strap and tangent rear sight. To speed production, the Germans eliminated the shoulder stock slot and then the tangent sight at about serial number 145000. As production continued, the quality of finish was reduced to dull blue over a progressively less polished metal. The Germans used three Waffenenamt stamps on High Power pistols:

Eagle over WaA613
Eagle over WaA103
Eagle over WaA140.

Your pistol is the third variation, these were stamped with eagle over WaA140, had fixed 50-meter sights, wood or brown plastic grips and dull military-blue finish over rough machine marks. The approximate serial range for this variation is 145000 to 210000, then 01a to 100000a and finally 01b to 63000b.

Yearly production of High Power pistols under German occupation was as follows:

1940..................... 8,500
1941..................... 65,700
1942..................... 80,600
1943..................... 101,200
1944..................... 63,000
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ducatiz

I think I just got a message from Heaven.

I have a garage full of STUFF

I found a box, one of those 18"x18"x20" moving boxes.  Heavy as hell.  Opened it and it is about 60 lbs of spent cartridges, all neatly boxes by caliber.  9mm, 40,45,357,38spl,308,7.5swiss,8mm... 

Must have been before I was married and I had time to do things like BOX UP SPENT AMMO..lol

I need to go buy a press now.

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Monsterlover

Buy primers first, they're harder to come by.
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Quote from: Monsterlover on April 03, 2013, 06:30:19 AM
Buy primers first, they're harder to come by.
Powder too.

In all reality there are very few components readily available.
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sno_duc

Quote from: ducpainter on April 03, 2013, 06:31:32 AM
Powder too.

In all reality there are very few components readily available.
or factory loaded ammo. (unless you're talking odd ball stuff like .30 40 kraig)

Thinking about getting an adult air rifle. .177 pellets are still available and cheap.
Even .22 lr is getting hard to find and spendy.
Shooting like many other things requires lots of practice to get and stay proficient.

Anyone have any thoughts on "RWS" or "Gamo"?
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WarrenJ

Take a look at Airguns of Arizona for a huge variety of high quality airguns.  I have a pair of Feinwerkbau 300S Target airguns but they are very accurate but are in no way a high powered gun.  Daystate, Webley, FX.... there are lots of real interesting airguns that you never see in the normal US markets.  The normal spring piston guns are pretty good, reliable and powerful but they are very hard on scopes not made for airguns and the more powerful ones require a fair amount of force to cock, etc.   Most of the high end guns currently out are CA guns (compressed air).  They run off a small compressed air tank filled from SCUBA tanks.   The target guns run at 2700 psi and some of the powerhouse guns run up to 4500 psi.  There are also a number of new larger caliber guns out there...25, 30, up to 50 cal and larger. 

I've been debating a high powered airgun and am trying to balance power with long life and high reliability - still haven't come to a conclusion.
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I've even seen a 20 or 12 ga shot airgun somewhere. Very cool stuff. Of course, nothing new. My uncle has an airgun cane from the early 1900's in his collection. I believe it is .32 cal.

rgramjet

Bass Pro Shops is selling the Gamo Varmint Hunter HP combo for $300.  They claim 1400 fps.  Cones with a scope, flashlight and "laser".

I have the old 1000fps Gamo.  It's badass!
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WarrenJ

Quote from: sno_duc on April 03, 2013, 01:32:36 PM
or factory loaded ammo. (unless you're talking odd ball stuff like .30 40 kraig)

Any good prices on the Krag ammo?  We have his and hers Krags.
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ducatiz

Quote from: WarrenJ on April 03, 2013, 11:32:12 PM
Any good prices on the Krag ammo?  We have his and hers Krags.

awww!   ;D
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sno_duc

QuoteWe have his and hers Krags.
Why am I not surprised.  ;)
Getting out of Alaska might add just a wee bit to the final cost.
I remember getting hassled at the St Louis airport after the '95 USPSA limited nationals, ended up giving away (to a squad mate) 4 boxes of 9 mm ammo. (prize table  ;D )
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Snake

Finally got the gun back from having the PVD finish applied.  I will try to post the pictures in the thread later, but here is the link to the article on the Enos Forum.  http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=172168#entry1906900

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