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Monster 400 to 600/750 engine conversion

Started by JUC01, March 29, 2013, 06:29:49 PM

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rendang

#15
April 16, 2013, 07:43:31 AM

   I have heard that they are an expensive item to replace but that there is a cheaper (non slipper) clutch from some other model Ducati which will fit right in, but sorry I don't know the details.

S2R800,    0    , 750 GT, Rickman Honda, 450 'Silver Shotgun", 750 Sport, 250 Mark 3, Kwaka 500 triple.

ducatiz

#16
April 16, 2013, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: Mr.S2R on April 16, 2013, 05:01:42 AM
Betty,

Can you confirm the story that I have heard that the 800 slipper clutch is an expensive item to replace?  I heard the basket is a special unit and not standard like other Ducati wet clutches...

I love my S2R 1000!! [Dolph]

800 APTC clutch is slightly more expensive to get plates for.

Yes, you can swap a clutch from the other 800 engines (800ss, m800) for cheaper plates and if you do not like the APTC type slipper.
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Mr.S2R

#17
April 17, 2013, 08:12:17 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on April 16, 2013, 12:17:53 PM
800 APTC clutch is slightly more expensive to get plates for.

Yes, you can swap a clutch from the other 800 engines (800ss, m800) for cheaper plates and if you do not like the APTC type slipper.

thanks for that sir!  ;D

oh that has to be THE trippiest avatar I have seen, or not seen  [laugh]

ducatiz

#18
April 17, 2013, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: Mr.S2R on April 17, 2013, 08:12:17 AM
thanks for that sir!  ;D

oh that has to be THE trippiest avatar I have seen, or not seen  [laugh]

you should see it full sized!
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J5

#19
April 21, 2013, 03:33:22 AM
iirc i saw some 600 barrels and pistons on ebay yesterday for $250

maybe worth a further look ??
i dont care if you have been a mechanic for 10 years doing something for a long time does not make you good at it, take my gf for an example shes been walking for 28 years and still manages to fall over all the time.

ducatiz

#20
May 07, 2013, 09:17:40 AM
Quote from: J5 on April 21, 2013, 03:33:22 AM
iirc i saw some 600 barrels and pistons on ebay yesterday for $250

maybe worth a further look ??

still cheaper to pick up a new bike... have to bore out the engine, deal with the shorter stroke, buy pistons, flycut the heads.
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suzyj

#21
May 17, 2013, 05:04:18 AM
I'm disappointed.

If bang for your buck is all that matters, sell your monster and buy a gsxr.

Swapping the motor for a 750 or 900 sounds like a lovely idea to me.


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ducatiz

#22
May 19, 2013, 08:50:00 PM
suzy you just take that logic and go stuff it !!

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#23
May 20, 2013, 12:20:21 AM
Quote from: suzyj on May 17, 2013, 05:04:18 AM
I'm disappointed.

If bang for your buck is all that matters, sell your monster and buy a gsxr.

Swapping the motor for a 750 or 900 sounds like a lovely idea to me.


i disagree

its not about bang for buck buying a gixxer

its about bang for buck in what he is trying to do

fact is its cheaper and less effort to sell what he has and buy a 900 monster than try and make one out of the 400
i dont care if you have been a mechanic for 10 years doing something for a long time does not make you good at it, take my gf for an example shes been walking for 28 years and still manages to fall over all the time.

Rowdy

#24
May 20, 2013, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: J5 on April 21, 2013, 03:33:22 AM
iirc i saw some 600 barrels and pistons on ebay yesterday for $250

maybe worth a further look ??

Do it,

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You greatly underestimate the amount of overconfidence I have.

OzzyRob

#25
May 20, 2013, 05:37:26 PM

I reckon a CR500 would be pretty cool. Lotsa fun engineering a set of adapter pates.....But in the long run you'd save on front tyres.

Or turbo the 400, that's be neat. IMHO best bang for buck is riding the wheels off it. Small bikes are fun to ride fast.


In all seriousness if you can fit the larger barrels it well be a lot less hassle for rego & insurance than putting in a larger motor.
And I'd hate to think what you'll be charged for a long motor locally. I tried to source a late model DR-650 engine complete and the going price was $2500. Anything that says Ducati automatically doubles the price.
As long as no one notices the barrels you'll be cool.

First thing to do tho would be to do a quick measure at the engine mount points and the swingarm width.
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