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Started by Bick, July 06, 2013, 01:49:23 PM

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Might be smoking crack here, but pretty sure I heard an NTSB snippet stating both the left and right seat pilots had noticed the aircraft was under required speed; right seat (instructor) pilot commented as such and went to make required throttle adjustments only to see that left seat pilot had already done so, and that the aircraft was not responding. 
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They were claiming they had it on auto-throttle, then looked down when it was too late to realise it wasn't auto-throttling.

Claiming it wasn't responding when they were that close to the ground is bullsh!t.  Turbine engines don't respond immediately.  You MUST have your brain miles ahead of the airplane.  You CANNOT fly a large jet "reactively".  Airmanship 101.

My money is on pilot error, plain and simple.  They weren't paying attention to the critical indicators as they approached, "auto-throttle" or not.  Airspeed, altitude, glideslope, traffic... you miss ANY of these and you are bound to have problems.  Just because it's on auto-throttle doesn't free you from monitoring BOTH airspeed and altitude to ensure a safe approach.

Sorry for the rant... I am in flight school myself, and I've been living the aerospace world since 2001.  These principles have been and continue to be drilled into me.  Incompetence is frustrating, especially when it kills people.
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Plus isn't it usually customary for the First Officer to be calling out airspeed and altitude every so often?

Apparently the 3rd flight officer in the cockpit called out "Sink Rate!" several times to alert the flight crew they were sinking too fast, but was apparently ignored.
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Quote from: Adamm0621 on July 13, 2013, 03:41:42 AM
BAD INTERN!!! LOL!!! ;D

http://news.yahoo.com/ntsb-apologizes-gaffe-over-derogatory-asiana-pilot-names-041704046.html

You get what you pay for!  *not sure if that internship was paid or not, but many seem to be unpaid.

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I looked at that and initially thought it was a spoof.

How in the world did that get on the air?

"Earlier today, in response to an inquiry from a media outlet, a summer intern acted outside the scope of his authority when he erroneously confirmed the names of the flight crew on the aircraft," the NTSB said.

WaitaMINIT.

How did that media outlet get those names?
Was everyone at that media outlet unconscious?
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IZ

First thought Ba-ba-booey

Seriously, shouldn't all newscasters be required to watch and learn from this?

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Quote from: bobspapa on May 29, 2011, 08:09:57 AMThis just in..IZ is not that short..and I am not that tall.

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Quote from: IZ on July 13, 2013, 10:52:37 AM
First thought Ba-ba-booey

Seriously, shouldn't all newscasters be required to watch and learn from this?



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According to the airline's lawyer, Mr. Wi Su, Asiana will be sueing the TV station for tarnishing its reputation. 
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Quote from: bobspapa on May 29, 2011, 08:09:57 AMThis just in..IZ is not that short..and I am not that tall.

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Quote from: IZ on July 14, 2013, 09:23:32 PM
According to the airline's lawyer, Mr. Wi Su, Asiana will be sueing the TV station for tarnishing its reputation. 

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