Quote from: nickshelby500kr on September 10, 2013, 02:40:38 PM
1199R has been out...

Wasn't it released this year? If so they could be counting it as 1 of 4 introduced in 2013.

nope, it's not being named

Diavel Gucci Blingtasm L.E. ?

Quote from: Speeddog on September 10, 2013, 03:25:18 PM
Diavel Gucci Starbucks  Blingtasm L.E. ?

Fixed

they say NO frame, but, then they say 'mono casco' . . .

As far as club-level racing.....
From all I've seen and heard, and with the obvious baseline of equally good suspension on both bikes....

There's precious few riders who could lap quicker on an 1199 than on an 899.

Quote from: Speeddog on September 10, 2013, 04:23:32 PM
As far as club-level racing.....
From all I've seen and heard, and with the obvious baseline of equally good suspension on both bikes....

There's precious few riders who could lap quicker on an 1199 than on an 899.

This is what I am thinking.

We're getting to a level of technology and "stupid quick" power that the only folks who can realistically use the added power are pro-level racers.

Quote from: duc_fan on September 10, 2013, 04:39:53 PM
This is what I am thinking.

We're getting to a level of technology and "stupid quick" power that the only folks who can realistically use the added power are pro-level racers.

I disagree. Sure, there are a lot of guys that are quicker on a middleweight than a litre bike, but they're not that fast anyway (at least when you're talking racing). The fast club guys (and there are quite a few in WMRRA & OMRRA and even more in AFM) are faster on a liter bike. Some use the power as a crutch and do very well, and others just flat use the power because they're riding the wheels off their 600 and need more. Guys enter the Open classes on a 600 all the time, but only the super fast guys can compete for a win against the liter bikes...and sometimes even they get beat, or crash trying to over ride their bike.

All of the track records in the PNW are on liter bikes for a reason.

Quote from: Raux on September 10, 2013, 07:03:19 AM
oh I should have added, the design sucks too.

Yeah it's definitely not a new Monster. 

Quote from: Darkmonster620 on September 10, 2013, 04:20:03 PM
they say NO frame, but, then they say 'mono casco' . . .

Yes, that's weird for sure. Now I'm no techie, but that looks suspiciously like a frame to me.

Aren't they releasing 4. a little later anyway?

Quote from: Speeddog on September 10, 2013, 02:00:05 PM
That's like saying bell-bottoms make Lauren Vickers look fat.

Quote from: duc_fan on September 10, 2013, 04:39:53 PM
This is what I am thinking.

We're getting to a level of technology and "stupid quick" power that the only folks who can realistically use the added power are pro-level racers.

.........and they race Hondas. 

Quote from: Duck-Stew on September 10, 2013, 02:48:25 PM
[scoots to edge of seat]

He got me on Super Monster.

Quote from: kopfjäger on September 10, 2013, 06:54:50 PM

.........and they race Hondas. 

Tough but fair. Also, it was EICMA I was thinking of...

Quote from: Darkmonster620 on September 10, 2013, 04:20:03 PM
they say NO frame, but, then they say 'mono casco' . . .

Casco == Helmet in Italian  
Monoscocca == Body/Frame integration