Hrrm. Interesting reactions. I would agree that it's "good" he died just because pragmatism says if he wasn't, someones mother, father, brother, etc might not be.

People and their hopeless attachment to ego fascinate me. What they don't realize is, had they been born at the right time, with the stars and planets aligned just so, while breathing the right air, getting fed a specific way with specific food by specific people...well then little baby Ungehower would have grown up to be that bikejacker...or little baby Hbliam would be a 12:00 Boy today. we are nothing more than animals... out of control, destructive, egomaniac primates..but animals no less. Like a dog that grew up vicious and feril instead of sweet and cuddly because of how he/she grew up....just products of our environment. But the Dow executive, directly responsible for more ecocide and murder than the sum of 100 super max prisons full of arsonists scoffs at the homeless "welfare queen" for being a unproductive "drain on society". Irony. We are nothing special...regardless of what your mommy and daddy or the teevee and newzpapers taught ya.

Sorry to get all philosophical n' $hit...I just get a kick out of ya'all.

I've never been to Brazil...but I will someday. I hear it's another world over there. I wonder if I'd have built my own Ducati and be shopping for another Italian bike if I'd grown up stepping over sewer rats the size of poodles in Complexo do Alemao instead of Hudson, OH, USA. Hrrrmm.

Everyone is a product of their environment.  However, I also believe that at some point in ones life doing the "wrong thing" becomes a conscious choice.  I am biased though as I started life out a very angry welfare kid, a product of my environment.  I did not become a "good person" until I was in my mid 20's. and it took a lot of work!  To move beyond ones environmental conditioning is a lot tougher than accepting it as your reality.

That is a tough world down there and many feel they have no choice but to take what they need as there are few other options open to them.  Some choose to sell popcorn on the side of the road as opposed to stealing though.  Stealing at gunpoint demonstrates a willingness to kill a person and when that line is crossed all bets are off. 

Sad the world has to roll that way, a waste of life is never a good thing. 

   

Seeing that this topic actually has nothing to do with motos...

off to NMC it goes.

The different views illustrate the difficult tension/balance between compassion and justice. Alot of valid points for sure.

Makes me think of:

Do not steal
Do not murder
Live by the sword, die by the sword (gun)
Shit happens

Quote from: Buck Naked on October 24, 2013, 06:15:37 PM
People and their hopeless attachment to ego fascinate me. What they don't realize is, had they been born at the right time, with the stars and planets aligned just so, while breathing the right air, getting fed a specific way with specific food by specific people...well then little baby Ungehower would have grown up to be that bikejacker...or little baby Hbliam would be a 12:00 Boy today. we are nothing more than animals... out of control, destructive, egomaniac primates..but animals no less. Like a dog that grew up vicious and feril instead of sweet and cuddly because of how he/she grew up....just products of our environment. But the Dow executive, directly responsible for more ecocide and murder than the sum of 100 super max prisons full of arsonists scoffs at the homeless "welfare queen" for being a unproductive "drain on society". Irony. We are nothing special...regardless of what your mommy and daddy or the teevee and newzpapers taught ya.

Sorry to get all philosophical n' $hit...I just get a kick out of ya'all.

I dunno about philosophical.  But I do agree you talk some $hit    .

Ego??

So Ungehower only knows what's right and what's wrong because in his own mind he's a superior being to our armed bandit?? 

Nothing to do with ego and everything to do with a sense of responsibility to a civilised community.

The armed bandit is the victim of his environment?  Maybe.

Any one of us woulda turned out bad in the same circumstances?  Total bollocks mate. 

Some (like the armed bandit in our video here) do turn out bad.   Some always will.   And some of those will find something else to blame rather than take responsibility for their own anti-social behaviour.

Most however - even in the face of dire personal circumstances - do not turn out bad.  It must be their egos to blame  .

Right and wrong are your words Ungehower...that concept leaves out entirely too much gray area for my taste. Necessary that the kid die...yes, because he was a threat. Whether it's tragic or "stiff shit" depends on too many factors I'll never know. And that dipshit kid is just symptomatic of a much greater problem I'm not allowed to talk about on this forum. As to whether or not you're "superior"...maybe, maybe not....I don't know you or that shithead kid. You're both inferior to fruit bats by default just for being human.

Quote from: Buck Naked on October 24, 2013, 08:20:22 PMAs to whether or not you're "superior"...maybe, maybe not....

I think you missed the egotistical point  .

Quote from: Buck Naked on October 24, 2013, 08:20:22 PMNecessary that the kid die...yes, because he was a threat.

Necessary that the armed bandit die?  Necessary??  The armed bandit's death (if that's what it really was) was entirely optional. 

Quote from: Buck Naked on October 24, 2013, 08:20:22 PMWhether it's tragic or "stiff shit" depends on too many factors I'll never know.

Allow me to differentiate: 

If our armed bandit had unloaded his weapon into the face of an innocent victim whom he was attempting to rob.... that would be tragic. 

If an armed bandit is gunned down during the course of his attempted robbery of an innocent individual... that's "stiff shit"  .

It's really not complicated.

Quote from: Buck Naked on October 24, 2013, 08:20:22 PMI don't know you or that shithead kid. You're both inferior to fruit bats by default just for being human.

That's right.  You don't know Ungehower.

Nuthin' left to say...