Quote from: Triple J on April 29, 2014, 02:59:02 PM
With relative ease 

If MM stays healthy, I don't think anyone stands a chance. He's more dominant right now than Stoner was in 2011.

Stoner had Rossi at his peak to contend with, but we won't see that again. In light of that, unless George (or Yamaha) steps up to another level, I agree nothing but injury can stop him. Lorenzo looks to be at the very limit both physically and mentally. Right now I wish Stoner hadn't retired. The next few years could be like the Doohan years. Rossi won't break Ago's record, but MM could imo.

I can see Pedrosa pulling an upset at Jerez. I doubt the Yamahas will be able to keep up with the Hondas.

Quote from: koko64 on April 29, 2014, 03:55:37 PM
Stoner had Rossi at his peak to contend with, but we won't see that again. In light of that, unless George (or Yamaha) steps up to another level, I agree nothing but injury can stop him. Lorenzo looks to be at the very limit both physically and mentally. Right now I wish Stoner hadn't retired. The next few years could be like the Doohan years. Rossi won't break Ago's record, but MM could imo.

Rossi was on a Ducati in 2011 so zero threat...Stoner only had to deal with JLo and Pedrobot, and a little Dovi.

MM basically has the same challenge. I agree on JLo...MM is in his head. I too wish Stoner was still around. I think the 2 of them would have epic battles...although we'd have to listen to epic crying from Stoner due to MM's style.

Pardon, I was thinking 2007. Ducati stopped Rossi breaking the record for sure imo. That and Simo's death broke his momentum.
Lets hope Pedro can do something at Jerez.

Quote from: koko64 on April 29, 2014, 03:55:37 PMRossi won't break Ago's record, but MM could imo.

If he races for the next 15 years, and he wins every single year, yes, it could break Ago's record 

Quote from: HotIce on April 29, 2014, 06:55:41 PM
If he races for the next 15 years, and he wins every single year, yes, it could break Ago's record  

He could in the Premier class regarding race wins.

MM worst enemy is himself and by trying to better himself he can get into trouble . . .

Quote from: Darkmonster620 on April 29, 2014, 07:23:10 PM
MM worst enemy is himself and by trying to better himself he can get into trouble . . .

But at the same time, it seems that since he just doesnt know any better, he has figured out how he can push the bike a lot harder than everyone in the paddock thought you could.  He's riding the bike to the limit it can be ridden now vs what years of experience has taught him is the limit it can be raced at.

Quote from: thought on April 29, 2014, 07:36:00 PM
But at the same time, it seems that since he just doesnt know any better, he has figured out how he can push the bike a lot harder than everyone in the paddock thought you could.  He's riding the bike to the limit it can be ridden now vs what years of experience has taught him is the limit it can be raced at.

Yes, he might have figured out "HOW TO" . . . but, if he feels "over confident" he can push and push and he'll be OK, until that moment in time when . . .

Quote from: HotIce on April 29, 2014, 06:55:41 PM
If he races for the next 15 years, and he wins every single year, yes, it could break Ago's record 

he's got 35 career wins (as of this posting) vs ago's 122. he could theoretically trump it in less than five seasons.

Has MM crashed this year in MotoGP?

IIRC, no.

Quote from: derby on April 29, 2014, 08:44:25 PM
he's got 35 career wins (as of this posting) vs ago's 122. he could theoretically trump it in less than five seasons.

For GOTA, people typically counts championships won, because those tell a MUCH better story, as they stretch over a long period of time, filtering stars from meteors.
You could possibly have the best bike for 4 years, maybe sneak through a time with not many rivals on your same bike, and collect a bunch of wins.
Doing that for 15+ years, possibly on different categories and bikes, is what better defines a GOTA.

Quote from: derby on April 29, 2014, 08:44:25 PM
he's got 35 career wins (as of this posting) vs ago's 122. he could theoretically trump it in less than five seasons.

35? Do they count lower classes or just the top class?

I was comparing premier class wins. iirc that was the record Rossi was aiming for. If he hadn't lost momentum, he would have come close. Someone will have the stats..
I think MM has a chance if he stays healthy, chooses his bike carefully and stays motivated.

You could compare total wins in all classes or titles, which would be almost impossible to beat in the modern era. Only three classes now. Some argue that Ago won some of his titles on OHC 3 & 4 cylinders against single cylinder compressors (albeit with nice chassis), so therefore an uneven playing field.

It can open a whole can of worms as far as arguments go.

Quote from: Darkmonster620 on April 29, 2014, 07:51:33 PM
Yes, he might have figured out "HOW TO" . . . but, if he feels "over confident" he can push and push and he'll be OK, until that moment in time when . . .

Everyone keeps saying this about MM...but I'm not so sure anymore. Sure, any racer can crash and get hurt, and MM is no different. BUT, I no longer think this is more likely for him than anyone else...I'd even say it is less likely.

He pushes harder than anyone, but I think he has much better feel and bike control than anyone as well. He also appears to be extremely smart and a very quick learner. He crashed something like 15 times last season...but only once in a race. That isn't a coincidence.