Quote from: NorDog on July 22, 2008, 10:27:20 AM
My Gun Control Rules:
Use both hands.
Don't "wing" anyone; shoot to kill.

I think you may want to rethink both of these. The first one isn't a big deal if both your hands are working, but what if they bad guy already incapacitated one of your hands. (practice strong and/or weak hand only shooting, reloading and general gun manipulation). The second one is a big legal no-no. They have another name for the act of shooting to kill-Murder. You should only shoot to stop the attack. You should aim at center mass. This can be confusing, but what is meant by that is aiming for center mass of the available target. The exception is the failure drill. This is when your centermass (body) shots FAIL to stop the attack (bullet proof vest, etc.) thus causing you to aim for nervous system shutdown which is still the centermass of the head. There is a WHOLE lot more to this and these words should not be considered an end-all be-all nor legal advise whatsoever. Just discussion.

OK, this morning, I finally had time to read thru all the posts on this thread. Fasttwin already mentioned all of this so I apologize for the redundancy. Still, not bad hearing it again.

On that note, I too do not wish an armed encounter on anyone. Even if you win, you still lose something. I'd imagine...
Steve

+1....... So are we gonna go shooting? 

I used to be a member at The Bullet Trap in Plano off of Ave K and Park. They have a great selection of guns to rent and have CHL classes every weekend. The classes are almost always full for weeks, so it's best to register early if you want to take the class. They also do all the fingerprinting and photos there if needed. I did my shooting (to qualify) there too. I think I paid $180......a few years ago. And there is a Ducati dealership down the road.  [moto]

What's scary about this is the idea that there are thousands of citizens out there possibly carrying a concealed weapon..... and most would not know how to react in case of an emergency situation where you might need to use deadly force. It's almost to the point that wearing a ballistic vest would provide more comfort than carrying a gun. JMHO.

On the other hand, I sure do love my guns.

I like the "gun showroom" idea of getting together in a Sterile location and letting people handle the guns. This area can be at some ranges, but most will not allow this display. The Range on the bank of the trinity south of Dallas off of 45 is one that this could be done at. I will say, this should be set up and strictly run.
When dealing with a group, it is WAY too easy for a live round to slip its way into an "unloaded" weapon and hurt/kill someone by accident.
What I meant above by a Sterile area is an ammo free zone. This area should have someone doing pat downs (marshal) so that no one accidently forgets a round in a pocket. This is just good safety. Still, unloaded weapons should be pointed in a safe direction.
If anyone wants, I can help set that up or offer suggestions. Thru the training I've had and the experiences gained from shooting several pistol competitions in IDPA and IPSC I might have some good info to pass along.
Steve

Quote from: sdlrodeo on July 24, 2008, 07:31:09 AM
I like the "gun showroom" idea of getting together in a Sterile location

While certainly not Sterile, the WareHome might be a good venue

Just say when.   

When it gets a little cooler...

Quote from: sdlrodeo on July 24, 2008, 07:31:09 AM
I like the "gun showroom" idea of getting together in a Sterile location and letting people handle the guns. This area can be at some ranges, but most will not allow this display. The Range on the bank of the trinity south of Dallas off of 45 is one that this could be done at. I will say, this should be set up and strictly run.
When dealing with a group, it is WAY too easy for a live round to slip its way into an "unloaded" weapon and hurt/kill someone by accident.
What I meant above by a Sterile area is an ammo free zone. This area should have someone doing pat downs (marshal) so that no one accidently forgets a round in a pocket. This is just good safety. Still, unloaded weapons should be pointed in a safe direction.
If anyone wants, I can help set that up or offer suggestions. Thru the training I've had and the experiences gained from shooting several pistol competitions in IDPA and IPSC I might have some good info to pass along.
Steve

I vote for Steve and Brian to be "Sterilizers" for the LSD Gun Showroom. 

Serously, I really like the idea and the fact that we've got a couple of (seemingly) very experienced and responsible individuals that are willing to help out.

I agree with Scott, let's do this sometime when it's a little cooler (say after the Hill Country Ride, maybe?).

I'd be happy to help out as long as it is talked about before hand so that it can be done as safely as possible. I too have seen too many newbies at ranges waving guns around. I'm not very fond of being around that if I can avoid it. Don't mean to sound like a safety Nazi, but then again, would that be so wrong?

On that note, If one does decide to get a handgun, I know of a few places that you can go to "race" it in some competitions. If you like racing your bike, safely racing a gun is pretty fun too.

Any questions, feel free to email me at sdlrodeo@yahoo.com if you don't want to put it on the list.
Steve

we need to have a LSD paintball day, too.  i imagine that would be easy enough to arrange.

I've never been involved in a paintball match. Seems like it'd be fun.
Steve

Quote from: sdlrodeo on July 26, 2008, 08:36:24 PM
I've never been involved in a paintball match. Seems like it'd be fun.
Steve

heh...i'm guessing it will go from fun...to someone pissed off at someone for getting shot in the face....back to laughs and good times, followed by beers and some type of unhealthy food.

Quote from: McKraut on July 26, 2008, 08:38:40 PM
heh...i'm guessing it will go from fun...to someone pissed off at someone for getting shot in the face....back to laughs and good times, followed by beers and some type of unhealthy food.

I think u pretty much covered the entire experience. Except the child birth and last rites of the participants.

Quote from: McKraut on July 24, 2008, 08:25:29 PM
we need to have a LSD paintball day, too.  i imagine that would be easy enough to arrange.

WORD TO THIS....+5000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

or i can write "CHL" on a notecard... and give that to you for free...

Off topic----

Ronr, I can't stop lookng at your avitar. I kinda have this legs and butty weakness and that has got to be one of the best sets I've seen!