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ungeheuer

#150
March 27, 2015, 02:54:26 AM
After 9/11 we turned flight decks into impregnable fortresses.  And with good reason.

After MH370 and now 4U9525...

IMO it's time to reconsider that fortification.

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ducpainter

#151
March 27, 2015, 03:11:05 AM
There's no really simple answer...

is there?
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ungeheuer

#152
March 27, 2015, 03:20:18 AM
The answer doesn't need to be simple.  But there does need to be some other thinking applied IMO.

A weighing of the risks.  Sure, secure the flight deck but not to the point where access is granted solely from within.   Authorised personnel ought be able to access from without.  And yes, I realise the security hole that enables.

But passengers need to be also protected from lone-rogue flight crew.
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ducpainter

#153
March 27, 2015, 03:38:21 AM
I don't disagree that something should be done.

Put the third flight crew member back on the deck...like the old days...require two to be in the cockpit at all times.

Still doesn't preclude the possibility of something happening.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


ungeheuer

#154
March 27, 2015, 03:43:03 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on March 27, 2015, 03:38:21 AM
Still doesn't preclude the possibility of something happening.
Nothing can do that.  But the current status quo just cannot be allowed to continue.

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ducpainter

#155
March 27, 2015, 03:49:32 AM
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


MendoDave

#156
March 27, 2015, 03:53:04 AM
They should just require that everybody behave.

Monsterlover

#157
March 27, 2015, 03:57:31 AM
Surely that will do it
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ungeheuer

#158
March 27, 2015, 03:59:59 AM
Quote from: Candyman on March 27, 2015, 03:53:04 AM
They should just require that everybody behave.
Or that posters here grow the make the beast with two backs up.

Quote from: ducpainter on March 27, 2015, 03:49:32 AM
The airlines have already announced a measure to stop the lone actor.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/german-plane-crash/airlines-worldwide-adopt-two-cockpit-rule-after-germanwings-crash-n331041
Some airlines.

Its a known risk.  And yet we have to get to this before action is taken  [bang]

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ducpainter

#159
March 27, 2015, 04:04:47 AM
Of course we do.

"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


MendoDave

#160
March 27, 2015, 04:14:10 AM
Well other airlines from other countries (like Germany  [laugh]) aren't as uptight.
laissez les bon temps rouler
And all. Ive actually seen that phrase painted right on an airplane.

ungeheuer

#161
March 27, 2015, 04:14:48 AM Last Edit: March 27, 2015, 04:35:03 AM by ungeheuer
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MendoDave

#162
March 27, 2015, 04:48:14 AM
Down under is a big place. You should spend more time driving and less time flying. Plus you will see much more on the ground, and give something else a chance to kill you instead of some pesky rouge pilot.

ducpainter

#163
March 27, 2015, 05:10:29 AM
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


ungeheuer

#164
March 27, 2015, 05:46:26 AM
Quote from: Candyman on March 27, 2015, 04:48:14 AM
Down under is a big place. You should spend more time driving and less time flying. Plus you will see much more on the ground, and give something else a chance to kill you instead of some pesky rouge pilot.
[roll]

Trying to discuss issues here.

You seem to want to engage in a battle of wits.

And yet come unarmed for the encounter  :-*
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