Quote from: the_Journeyman on June 19, 2015, 05:43:56 PM

Heavy trucks have drums.  Our bus mechanics say that drums are more durable and lower maintenance than discs on heavy stuff.  I've seen a few motor coaches with front air powered discs, but not many.

Understood. Your Dakota isn't a heavy truck though, nor is my 2500. Discs work fine, so the reason you were given most likely wasn't true. That's all I was saying.

Drum brakes are the devil. Luckily they don't need to be replaced that often. It is not just Kia ether, Toyota still puts them on the Tacoma.

Quote from: Satellite smithy on June 19, 2015, 12:36:39 PM
We should shun Randimus on principle.

Hey. 

You know I don't call any shots.

And TF stills me a beer that I was never able to connect with him on.   

Quote from: Randimus Maximus on June 20, 2015, 06:33:10 PM
Hey. 

You know I don't call any shots.

And TF stills me a beer that I was never able to connect with him on.   

You saying Akio was ordering all those shots for you that night? 

The drums on my Datsun have about 6 parts.  Two springs, two spring retainers, two shoes, then the drum.  They're not bad.  They stop about like Fred Flintstone brakes though.  If I relied on them I'd be dragging my boots to stop!

JM

Quote from: Rotor Head on June 20, 2015, 06:37:32 PM
You saying Akio was ordering all those shots for you that night? 

Which night?

Quote from: Randimus Maximus on June 20, 2015, 06:48:01 PM
Which night?

All of them.

Quote from: the_Journeyman on June 20, 2015, 06:40:26 PM
The drums on my Datsun have about 6 parts.  Two springs, two spring retainers, two shoes, then the drum.  They're not bad.  They stop about like Fred Flintstone brakes though.  If I relied on them I'd be dragging my boots to stop!

JM

wished I had the $$ to get your Datsun and rebuild-remanufacture it . . .with some perf enhancements . . .

This message is hidden because Randimus Maximus is on your ignore list. 

My old Cougar has 4-wheel drums. Stellar braking performance.  

I've driven my new Mustang after driving it and almost put myself through the windshield the first time I brake..... 

I remember learning years ago another economic reason for the continued use of drum brakes on cars and trucks.  Disc brakes are pretty much intolerant of axle end play and drum brakes will work with some axle end float, allowing the use of a cheaper bearing system.  Not sure if the present rear axle drum brakes are mostly all on old school rigid axles but it seems that way.  Newer cartridge style wheel bearings are usually found on disc brake systems?

Bob

Quote from: Langanobob on June 26, 2015, 02:57:24 PM
Not sure if the present rear axle drum brakes are mostly all on old school rigid axles but it seems that way. 

Very possible.  My truck is independent suspension with the two half-shafts, while the rear is a solid axle.  Not modern, but my 280Z is the exact same configuration.

JM

On the topic of price, you were saying that drums are more expensive than rotors...

But last time I checked, calipers were a hell of a lot more expensive than wheel cylinders.

Quote from: Langanobob on June 26, 2015, 02:57:24 PM
I remember learning years ago another economic reason for the continued use of drum brakes on cars and trucks.  Disc brakes are pretty much intolerant of axle end play and drum brakes will work with some axle end float, allowing the use of a cheaper bearing system.  Not sure if the present rear axle drum brakes are mostly all on old school rigid axles but it seems that way.  Newer cartridge style wheel bearings are usually found on disc brake systems?

Bob

Quite true!

If you deal with drum brakes much.
Take an old spoke (talk to one of you motocross riding friends) and a chunk of broom handle.
1) Drill a 1/8' hole cross ways thru a 6' piece of broom handle in the middle.
2) Slip spoke thru hole and put spoke nipple back on.
3) cut spoke to length (6' to 12")
4) heat other end up with torch and bend a nice hook.
5) file end of hook sharp

You now have something that will grab a spring and allow you to pull to your hearts content while keeping your hands away from sharps edges waiting to cause blood loss, and much cheaper than what Snap-On charges for the same basic thing.