Dovi is on the decline and ianonne can't seem to crack into the top tier, always one pack back.,

It's as if the ducatis performed just well enough to lose their concessions and then they plateaued.

Quote from: duccarlos on July 12, 2015, 10:08:22 AM

What I did not like... Dovi. He's usually consistent if nothing else. No idea what the hell is happening to him. Crazy Joe is gunnin for the #1 spot for sure

I was thinking that during the race too and how that's going to affect the next round of contract negotiations.  By the time that Dovi's is up I'm thinking that he's going to have a hard time keeping his ride.  I can see Duc trying for Dani or JLo at that point with massive $$ behind the offer.

Nothing against Dovi but he's always going to be a B rider to me.  Great at stopping people from passing him but not an alien.  Duc needs a alien + dovi or ianonne.  And I think Duc would prefer Ianonne at this point over Dovi.

I also love the fact that it took Ianonne messing up his shoulder to force him to ride in a smoother style... which then made him faster on the bike.

Hard to understand what has happened to Dovi....
Bit like Jorge and all his little issues....
The Yammy has been improving, Honda are in a better place now with the old frame but seems like the Duc is as good as it is going to get in the short term, so plateau seems to be correct...Or while trying to improve things they have gone too far with the electronics.

Quote from: thought on July 12, 2015, 06:17:55 PM
I was thinking that during the race too and how that's going to affect the next round of contract negotiations.  By the time that Dovi's is up I'm thinking that he's going to have a hard time keeping his ride.  I can see Duc trying for Dani or JLo at that point with massive $$ behind the offer.

Nothing against Dovi but he's always going to be a B rider to me.  Great at stopping people from passing him but not an alien.  Duc needs a alien + dovi or ianonne.  And I think Duc would prefer Ianonne at this point over Dovi.

I also love the fact that it took Ianonne messing up his shoulder to force him to ride in a smoother style... which then made him faster on the bike.

B rider?...really?

There's one thing that separates Dovi, Rossi, Jlo, Marquez, and for that matter Hayden from Iannone and Pedro and IMO it will always be that way.

Iannone and Pedro will never be a World Champion.

Alien...bullshit...they just happen to be the man of the moment.

Quote from: ducpainter on July 12, 2015, 06:35:22 PM
B rider?...really?

There's one thing that separates Dovi, Rossi, Jlo, Marquez, and for that matter Hayden from Iannone and Pedro and IMO it will always be that way.

Iannone and Pedro will never be a World Champion.

Alien...bullshit...they just happen to be the man of the moment.

I say that because of that year he was on the Honda with Casey and Pedro.  Best bike on the grid, great results... but always in 3rd place behind the other two.  Other years he might have had lesser bikes, but that was his year to shine but didnt.  So if the aliens are A riders... he's the B.  The same with Cal and Iannone... but I think Iannone has the chance to grow vs Dovi having been around a while now with nothing to show for it.

There is no way Pedro is going to leave Honda or JLo leave Yamaha by their own will.

And I strongly disagree with the decision to end Ducati's concessions. Sure the bike is better than the GP14 but it's still so new.

At any rate, it's good to see MM back to form. Good race by the turd to hold off Vale and good solid riding by Crazy Joe.

Quote from: lazylightnin717 on July 12, 2015, 07:18:11 PM
There is no way Pedro is going to leave Honda or JLo leave Yamaha by their own will.

Agreed...and Honda and Yamaha aren't going to get rid of either of them.

Dovi had a good year in 2011, beating Pedro...but Pedro also missed 3 or 4 races. Dovi had a lot of podiums, but never a win that season.

It's hard to say how good the Ducati is at the moment, because I don't think either rider is capable of beating Rossi, JLo, Pedrobot, MM on an even playing field. That's not to say they aren't good riders...they just aren't top 3-4 in this field.

IMO Ducati proved they should lose the concessions next season. All they lost this season was a couple liters of fuel, that they say they weren't using anyway. They still have about half the season to find the last little bit, if it's the bike and not the riders.

Quote from: ducpainter on July 12, 2015, 06:35:22 PM
B rider?...really?

There's one thing that separates Dovi, Rossi, Jlo, Marquez, and for that matter Hayden from Iannone and Pedro and IMO it will always be that way.

Iannone and Pedro will never be a World Champion.

Pedro already has 3 world championships to Dovi's 1. I don't think either will ever get one in GP....but I'd put money on Pedro over Dovi if I had to choose. Better results over his career.

Quote from: Triple J on July 12, 2015, 08:37:09 PM
Pedro already has 3 world championships to Dovi's 1. I don't think either will ever get one in GP....but I'd put money on Pedro over Dovi if I had to choose. Better results over his career.

I put Pedro on the wrong side of the equation...brain cramp.

I meant to say Iannone would never be a world champion.

Said before, will continue to say it... Ducati needs to either make a play for 1 of the top 4 riders or gamble on young talent. Maybe even go for Marquez2.

Quote from: duccarlos on July 13, 2015, 06:59:31 AM
Said before, will continue to say it... Ducati needs to either make a play for 1 of the top 4 riders or gamble on young talent. Maybe even go for Marquez2.

I'd say young talent. I just can't see any of the top 4 leaving their spots at Yamaha & Honda. Maybe if Pedro gets pushed out for someone, but I don't see that happening either.

Bah, one win does not a comeback make, mm has a lot to learn still and hrc is going to have to swallow their hubris eventually

Quote from: Triple J on July 13, 2015, 08:29:57 AM
I'd say young talent. I just can't see any of the top 4 leaving their spots at Yamaha & Honda. Maybe if Pedro gets pushed out for someone, but I don't see that happening either.

+1

Quote from: Triple J on July 13, 2015, 08:29:57 AM
I'd say young talent. I just can't see any of the top 4 leaving their spots at Yamaha & Honda. Maybe if Pedro gets pushed out for someone, but I don't see that happening either.

I'm wondering why Pedro is still at Honda, always in the shadows, never a gp championship, if it was gonna happen it would've already, he doesn't even make much sense for the manufacturer points anymore since he's missed out so much this year

Quote from: rufus1138 on July 13, 2015, 09:44:11 AM
Bah, one win does not a comeback make, mm has a lot to learn still and hrc is going to have to swallow their hubris eventually

Really? He has fought for the past 2 wins. All it took was HRC to go back to last year's chassis. What exactly does he need to learn other than not to try to ram Rossi on the last lap in Assen?

Quote from: rufus1138 on July 13, 2015, 09:54:25 AM
I'm wondering why Pedro is still at Honda, always in the shadows, never a gp championship, if it was gonna happen it would've already, he doesn't even make much sense for the manufacturer points anymore since he's missed out so much this year

Again, really? The Turd is only the 4th best rider on the grid right now. Ducati would kill to have him on their bike. Shit, just about anyone manufacturer, except for Yamaha, would want that. At worst, he's the second best #2 rider. Regardless if he'll ever win a championship, he's still fast, but not as young as he used to be, so you won't see him banging fenders with the likes of Rossi and MM any time soon. He still has the potential to win just about any race.