Quote from: rufus1138 on July 13, 2015, 09:54:25 AM
I'm wondering why Pedro is still at Honda, always in the shadows, never a gp championship, if it was gonna happen it would've already, he doesn't even make much sense for the manufacturer points anymore since he's missed out so much this year

Really? Since his rookie year in 2006, he's only finished out of the top 3 once, in 2011 when he missed several races. He'll likely finish out of the top 3 this season as well...due to injuries and missing races. He'll likely finish either 4th or 5th.

Who is better and deserves his ride?

I'm guessing you're a rabid Rossi fan? The statement about HRC hubris and MM having a lot to learn is some good stuff!  

Quote from: Triple J on July 13, 2015, 10:20:20 AM
Really? Since his rookie year in 2006, he's only finished out of the top 3 once, in 2011 when he missed several races. He'll likely finish out of the top 3 this season as well...due to injuries and missing races. He'll likely finish either 4th or 5th.

Who is better and deserves his ride?

I'm guessing you're a rabid Rossi fan? The statement about HRC hubris and MM having a lot to learn is some good stuff!  

I'm not denying that Pedrosa is a fine rider, but to say he finished out of the top three once, in a four horse race, well you see what im getting at.

Quote from: The Don on July 13, 2015, 08:14:09 PM
I'm not denying that Pedrosa is a fine rider, but to say he finished out of the top three once, in a four horse race, well you see what im getting at.

But he is one of the 4 horses, plus he has had horrid luck with injuries. Off the top of my head, I only remember 1 season where he was not injured.

Quote from: The Don on July 13, 2015, 08:14:09 PM
I'm not denying that Pedrosa is a fine rider, but to say he finished out of the top three once, in a four horse race, well you see what im getting at.

He's not in a 4 horse race...there are usually 15+ riders on the grid. He's continually one of the top 3. Recognize the difference?

I'll ask again. Who is better and deserves his ride? The answer is no one.

+1 to Carlos on injuries as well...not a single season in GP without one. No one has ever won a GP championship without a bit of luck. Pedro has the talent, but has had some rough injury luck.

Quote from: duccarlos on July 14, 2015, 06:24:46 AM
But he is one of the 4 horses, plus he has had horrid luck with injuries. Off the top of my head, I only remember 1 season where he was not injured.

Yeah, I guess that's the drawback for being his size/weight.  Great acceleration... not so good at bouncing.

My point is that pedrosas time seems to be up, he's aging out and has never made it to the top, all the other riders we are talking about here either have a gp championship already or are still on the rise, Pedro isn't, time to get some more young talent on the board, rossi will likely take his #10 gp championship this year and possibly retire, leaving Jorge, mm, dovi, iannone, and pedrosa as the powerhouse riders, I'm sure there's some talent being eyeballed in moto 2 that could make a break into gp just like Jorge, and simonchelli(sp) did

If that's your reasoning, then you need to drop Dovi off of your list. He's been in GP for almost as long as Pedro, with nowhere near the results.

Iannone hasn't won a single championship in any class, so I don't know about putting him in the "powerhouse" category. I like the guy, but if I had to choose between him and Pedro for the next few years, it would be an easy choice.

People seem to have something against Pedro, likely because of his bland personality. The fact is he's one of the best ever though (currently 8th on the all-time wins list)...but has had bad injury luck (likely due to his size).

I'd like to see Crutchlow get the full factory ride. He's more tenacious than Pedrosa who's had that bike tailored to him after Nicky won the championship. Repsol put all their hope into Pedrosa and he's never delivered for them.

Quote from: Blackout on July 14, 2015, 10:05:43 AM
I'd like to see Crutchlow get the full factory ride. He's more tenacious than Pedrosa who's had that bike tailored to him after Nicky won the championship. Repsol put all their hope into Pedrosa and he's never delivered for them.

Talking about bad luck, Cal has just made some decisions that have simply not panned out. He could have stayed at Tech3, but instead went over to the shitty Duc. Then he decided not to take the chance and ended up with the shitty Honda. So for 2 seasons he has gone backwards.

Crutchow's problem isn't luck IMO, it's his impatience. He went to Ducati knowing full well the bike needed development, then bailed before the improvements came along...while knowing full well they were underway. In addition, he's proven to be a bit of a loud mouth. Even though he won't admit it I guarantee he regrets leaving Ducati. I doubt another factory will give him a chance...at least not Ducati, Yamaha, or Honda. I guess Suzuki or Aprilia might.

I don't know if it was all Cal in the divorce with Ducati.  It seemed to me that Duc was looking to show him the door too as they had 2 other riders doing a lot better than him.  You started to see Cal getting grips on the bike halfway through the season, quicker than Dovi/Iannone did since they had a full year of xp over him but too little too late.

I think Cal is on par with Dovi... both can make the championship interesting but they only really get onto the podium if the other aliens make a pretty big mistake.  And no way that Cal would take Pedro's spot.

I think the major factor that might make Dani's spot shaky is if Casey finally changes his mind and decides he wants to come back.  I would have thought that that would never happen but the comments he made earlier this year about covering for Dani make me think he might be getting a bit antsy just racing RC cars in Oz.

So do we have a thread yet about the next round?

No

Quote from: duccarlos on July 14, 2015, 10:56:41 AM
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Nope, his spot was given to Bradley Smith.

Quote from: Speeddog on July 14, 2015, 01:55:47 PM
Nope, his spot was given to Bradley Smith.

I thought his spot was given to Pol?