Quote from: He Man on July 30, 2008, 10:36:37 PM

1 other thing to research. i know the S2R1000's idle is controled by a stepper motor. is the m1000 the same?

Hmmmm.... good question. Why would it be any different unless the stepper motor is somehow connected to the O2 sensor......

Quote from: He Man on July 30, 2008, 10:36:37 PM
when you said order a stock DS1000 ecu, you mean a M1000ie ECU right? Those are the ones that do not have O2 sensor. If you can grab a virgin stock M1000ie ECU and throw it on for under $300, and $200-300 for a PCIII. We're in buisness.

Yes a stock M1000ie. They have the same motor as the S2R1K only without the O2 sensor. Now the question is how much for the stock ECU. I guess it's an excuse to take a ride over to my dealer tomorrow. 

Monstermash, if you get the kit, and don't want the cams, let me know, eh?
I'll take 'em off your hands.

M1000 does not have stepper motor idle control, nor O2 sensor.

Brand new ECU's are virgin, they only become married to your instrument cluster after installation.
Not sure if that only happens after a red key procedure or not.

If a 2nd hand ECU is not virgin, it's worthless to you.

Quote from: Speeddog on July 31, 2008, 12:55:26 AM
Monstermash, if you get the kit, and don't want the cams, let me know, eh?
I'll take 'em off your hands.

M1000 does not have stepper motor idle control, nor O2 sensor.

Brand new ECU's are virgin, they only become married to your instrument cluster after installation.
Not sure if that only happens after a red key procedure or not.

If a 2nd hand ECU is not virgin, it's worthless to you.

I assume the ECU controls some function of the stepper motor, so without it, the m1000 ecu is useless on the S2R1k unless you find some other way to control the idle? I have no idea how a stepper motor works so im not sure if that statement is true or not. If its a mechanical device then it should not matter. right?

the only ds1000 original fitment open loop with idle valve control std 5.9m ecu is from the multistrada.

the dp ecu fuel maps will vary for model and capacity somewhat, but the spark maps should be fairly consistant, so i'd have no issue using the ecu with a pc3 if that's the way you wanted to go.  personally i'd use the ultimap u59, but i'm my local support, as opposed to many of you who don't have that.

the difference in the cams is physical - the heads from '06 onward are different.  i think it's nose length or something like that.  if you look at what std cams fit which models (you can do an application search with the softway) i think you'll find all '06 on models - 1000 and 1100 - use the same cams.  the '03 to '05 motors use the earlier part number cams, both std and dp.  the two dp part number sets are the same grind, just with the physical difference as above.

gus had a lot of hassles getting his to work, but it turned out to be to do with the dds diagnostic tool from what he told me.  when they used the older mathesis diagnostic tool it worked fine.  the dds is smarter than the mathesis, but that also means it won't let you do certain things if it thinks you shouldn't be.  it's not as annoying as the bmw gt1 (it's german), but depending on how you're going about things it might not work.  the mathesis will let you do anything pretty much.

the dp kit ecu is just an open loop 5.9m/5am, so it should work in all of them.  but having said that, there are subtle differences that could certainly upset the dash.  i don't think it's the immobilisor that's the issue - if it was it would just light the immobilisor light and that'd be it.  from what gus described to me it just sounds like the dash throwing a bit of a hissy fit, like the 999 ones used to.

Quote from: He Man on July 30, 2008, 10:36:37 PM
when you said order a stock DS1000 ecu, you mean a M1000ie ECU right? Those are the ones that do not have O2 sensor. If you can grab a virgin stock M1000ie ECU and throw it on for under $300, and $200-300 for a PCIII. We're in buisness.

1 other thing to research. i know the S2R1000's idle is controled by a stepper motor. is the m1000 the same?

Where is this stepper motor located? what does it actuate?

I believe he is referring to the idle air control (idle valve control...etc).
it is a valve that controls the idle of the bike by opening up an air port similar to opening up the air bypass screws. you will see vacuum tubes coming off of the unit and heading to the intake manifolds.
If you close these off the idle drops because you have just shut down the air leak and the bike will run rich. the ECU knows when the idle air control is working and adjusts the fuel accordingly.

Running a ecu from a bike with no idle air control (IAC) non IAC bike would possibly work as the cold start map may just treat the bike as a non IAC version. You would want to remove the IAC and set the bike up with a CO meter. I would think if you put a IAC ECU on a non IAC bike the ecu will be trying to work the IAC and compensate for the air leak. It may still work depending on what the ECU is trained to do when the IAC fails, I would bet you would at least have a check engine light on.

The difference in the Camshafts is in length. If you have a early DS1000 motor you will need the newer (shorter in depth) cam end caps . you may also ned to check that the cam oil feed hole lines up. They will fit.

But its not a stepper motor right?

I am not up 100% on the definition of a stepper motor
But it is not a simple on off switch. It varies the opening incrementaly.

Quote from: ducvet on August 01, 2008, 03:34:28 PM
I am not up 100% on the definition of a stepper motor
But it is not a simple on off switch. It varies the opening incrementaly.

Think of a stepper motor as the equivalent of a digitally controlled motor.  Each time you send a pulse to it, it moves a precise amount.  Thats a bit of an oversimplification, but in general they provide a cheap way to precisely control the position of something like a valve that lets more or less air into the system.

yes, it's a stepper motor, by definition capable of fine adjustment, working as an air control valve.

So the only DS motor with a stepper motor is the Multi. So that means that the Hyper DP ECU should work right?

Quote from: Monstermash on August 01, 2008, 06:33:28 PM
So the only DS motor with a stepper motor is the Multi. So that means that the Hyper DP ECU should work right?

S2R1000 has the stepper motor, according to ducati parts manuals.

Quote from: Speeddog on August 01, 2008, 07:08:38 PM
S2R1000 has the stepper motor, according to ducati parts manuals.

I thought Brad mentioned the Multi was the only one. So that means that the Hyper DP ECU won't work??

The hyper works, i gave you proof. The Stepper motor started in 06 when they elminated the fast idle lever on the DS1000s. anything form there on should have the stepper.

Quote from: He Man on August 01, 2008, 09:22:06 PM
The hyper works, i gave you proof. The Stepper motor started in 06 when they elminated the fast idle lever on the DS1000s. anything form there on should have the stepper.

I thought you had used it and it worked. Did you need to bring it to the dealer to have it installed or did you just plug it in and ride?

So I have an 07, which means I have the stepper. So your saying that the Hyper has the stepper as well?