You have to report it.
-The liability on you and the school if he does something that could have been prevented is one aspect.
-Another future victim dealing with whatever he does to them is another issue (that you have already thought of).
-People that do stuff and get away with it tend to escalate to worse behavior.
-Most likely your policies require it and you could be risking your career by not reporting it.

True. There are legal obligations. Down here we have mandatory reporting.

Quote from: Speeddog on November 29, 2016, 08:58:12 PM
Totally not trying to discourage feedback, but....

The reality of the situation is honestly overwhelming.
If it's a human issue that's got Grampa (AKA BP) vexed, there's little hope of any substantive help coming from anywhere short of a trans-existence communique' from Mother Teresa.

Not to make light of the situation, but...

a communique' from Mother might work too.

Quote from: hbliam on November 29, 2016, 11:59:11 PM
You have to report it.
-The liability on you and the school if he does something that could have been prevented is one aspect.
-Another future victim dealing with whatever he does to them is another issue (that you have already thought of).
-People that do stuff and get away with it tend to escalate to worse behavior.
-Most likely your policies require it and you could be risking your career by not reporting it.

^^This^^

Undocumented problems simply don't exist. Until next time. And the time after that...

Quote from: hbliam on November 29, 2016, 11:59:11 PM
You have to report it.
-The liability on you and the school if he does something that could have been prevented is one aspect.
-Another future victim dealing with whatever he does to them is another issue (that you have already thought of).
-People that do stuff and get away with it tend to escalate to worse behavior.
-Most likely your policies require it and you could be risking your career by not reporting it.

Yep.

As a fellow high school teacher (in Arizona), let me just acknowledge how much this dilemma sucks for you. I've never been exactly this situation, but have had a few less serious experiences that give me a glimpse of how you're feeling.

It sounds like you've already done what I would advise - bring in your admin, don't try to deal with this all by yourself. As hard as it must have been, you did the right thing. I'm sorry to hear that you were put in this position, but I think you did the right thing by yourself, by the school, and ultimately by the student himself.

 

I talked to the admin this morning. I should have talked to him right after it happened, as per protocol. (A new one for me). He then looked up the proper legal actions, and filled out the appropriate forms. When the student arrived this morning, he was held in the office until the admin spoke with him. He refused to write a statement. ( I was in the classroom during all this). The student was then suspended until all the proper authorities have been informed. I wrote up a formal account of what happened and submitted that to the admin after school.

The best I can tell, the severity of his punishment will be dependent on what probation says, relative to whatever his record is, and what the terms of his probation are.

I've been sick to my stomach all day, and am somewhat relieved that the ball feels to be out of my court

You do the best you can, given the constraints you're faced with.

Basically a +1 from me to everything that's already been posted.

You did the right thing, no question.

The dominating thought that I had until I read where you talked with admin was if he went on and did this, or worse, to 14yo girl what would you say to her parents?

I know in that scenario it's unlikely you'd ever have contact for them but it's a thought question for reference.

Generally I find that most times I'm on the fence about something and I feel i have to ask advice I normally already know the answer like I'm guessing you did.

Tough day for sure.

Ok… so here’s todays update.

Last Thursday I took a slight detour on my way home due to a freeway onramp closure. As I’m driving up the street, I literally almost run into the kid. (He was serving his suspension cruising around on his bike). Today, when I went through the classrooms taking the lunch count, when I enter into the Learning Center (our special ed classroom) the kid blurts out , “Mr. K., I know where you live!” My initial thought was that he was referring to having seen me last week driving through a neighborhood I’m not normally in. I initially blew the comment off, but, after what happened during the last class of the day, I dunno.
So, as our last class begins (this is the classroom of students the “groper” is in. It is also our youngest grouping of students 7th -9th graders) the kids are making their way into the room and over to their desks. As they walk past me, one of the kids reaches out and pinches my right nipple, and says nothing as he does it.  The kid just so happens to be the same kid I was having a conversation with, when the kid#1 grabbed me last week. I was on my way out of the classroom to call parents about detention times, so I planned to deal with kid #2 when I got back. I returned to the classroom later than expected, and had drop off a few things and hurry back out go get the schools lunches ready (we’re a small campus, so we all wear many hats), thinking that I’ll deal with kid #2 at the very end of the day. As I walk out past the students, kid #2 then grabs my ass. At that point lunch can wait, so I pull kid #2 out and explain to him the trouble he has now jumped into. Kid #1 is now standing in the doorway shouting that Mr K. is a snitch, and that shit’s gonn’a get made up and that the school is all make the beast with two backsed up. I tell him to close the door, and proceed to tell kid #2 that he’ll now be dealing with probation. I radioed the admin on my way to get lunch started, and explained to him what had just transpired.  As I was assembling the lunches, probation staff came out and asked what had happened, but was focused more on what kid #1 was saying and doing than on what kid #2 had just done. They eventually took kid #1 out of the classroom in handcuffs. Kid #2 was pulled out of class by the admin and taken to the office.  After classes are let out, I’m positioned outside of campus as part of a security detail, so I’n suck out there and have no idea what the conversations were between probation and the admin regarding the two kids. But…. after about 15 minutes, I see kid #1 riding his bike around the outside of campus, and kid #2 being escorted to his mom’s car by the admin.

After my day was over, I went and chatted with one of the probation officers about what had gone on and what they thought was going to happen, but they seemed to be a little lost as to what will come of this. I left them and went to fill out behavior referral for kid #2, and took that over to the admins office, hoping to see what he had to say. He had left the campus by that point, so I have no idea what the make the beast with two backs is going to happen.

As of right now, I’m kinda pissed off. If nothing more than a one-day suspension is all that happens when they do this kind of shit, and grabbing me becomes the fun thing to do because there are no real consequences’…. I’m make the beast with two backsed.

On an semi unrelated note, I put in for a transfer to one of our lockup facilities. Not because I'm being scared off, but because it's one of the coveted positions with a longer yearly contract and an extra hour of work each day. Mo money!

Kill them. Kill them all. 

I keed, I keed. 

Best of luck getting into the lockup scenario, Joel. It sucks, but you won't have to deal with poorly parented kids. I fear for our world sometimes.

Quote from: Speedbag on December 05, 2016, 04:20:11 PM
<snip> I fear for our world sometimes.

Sometimes?

It's not a full time gig. It'd require too much liquor.


Sorry about the trouble, Joel.

Quote from: Satellite smithy on December 05, 2016, 04:36:31 PM
It's not a full time gig. It'd require too much liquor.


Sorry about the trouble, Joel.

Define too much.

I'm sorry about his trouble too.

It was simpler when I grew up. make the beast with two backs up and you got a beating from whomever you make the beast with two backsed up with.