Quote from: NAKD1 on August 01, 2008, 08:02:00 AM
Fastest bike on the grid is more like it.

only barely.  or, this is no longer the first half of '07.  far from it.

Quote from: Super T.I.B on August 01, 2008, 12:57:17 AM

Why has Rossi never ridden a Duc? Because he f*cken would not be able to ride it.

one can't help but wonder if this decision has as much to do with burgess as it does rossi.

jeremy has a history of developing championship winning race platforms out of pure dung. the guy has more world championships than rossi and doohan put together. i doubt he'd be/feel needed in the ducati organization. furthermore, i doubt rossi would switch teams without him.

Quote from: Super T.I.B on August 01, 2008, 12:57:17 AM
Wanker....

Here we go again.

No, it hasn't really stopped, has it.

F*ck me, the "kid", and I use the term loosely, just won the championship in only his second year of MotoGP, is a bit highly strung, and I don't blame him for that, every racer is like that although some vent there frustrations in front of a camera and some leave it till they get in there trailer, gets continually quoted out of context and "people" are quick to chop the tall poppy down.

Yes, I'm Aussie, but cut the kid some slack, for f*cks sake.

Why has Rossi never ridden a Duc? Because he f*cken would not be able to ride it.


This will set the cat amongst the pigeons.

Cowboy, help me out.

What a well thought out response.   

Yep.

Just like yours. 

Quote from: Super T.I.B on August 01, 2008, 02:32:04 PM
Yep.

Just like yours. 

Mine was a joke.  Yours was too I suppose, but in a different way.

Quote from: derby on August 01, 2008, 10:48:15 AM
one can't help but wonder if this decision has as much to do with burgess as it does rossi.

jeremy has a history of developing championship winning race platforms out of pure dung. the guy has more world championships than rossi and doohan put together. i doubt he'd be/feel needed in the ducati organization. furthermore, i doubt rossi would switch teams without him.

I was reading about Jeremy Burgess last night.......

Sooooo, Rossi has only won those championships because of the great bike Burgess gave him.  

Quote from: darylbowden on August 01, 2008, 02:35:21 PM
Mine was a joke.  Yours was too I suppose, but in a different way.

No harm DB.

I was a bit emotional last night, posted after too many Makers Marks. 

Quote from: Super T.I.B on August 01, 2008, 02:38:30 PM
No harm DB.

I was a bit emotional last night, posted after too many Makers Marks. 

I'm all for the jawing.  It keeps the weeks between races exciting.

Quote from: darylbowden on August 01, 2008, 03:12:31 PM
I'm all for the jawing.  It keeps the weeks between races exciting.

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I feel like a tool. 

Quote from: Super T.I.B on August 01, 2008, 03:52:50 PM
I feel like a tool. 

well then you're in good company!

Quote from: Super T.I.B on August 01, 2008, 12:57:17 AM
Why has Rossi never ridden a Duc? Because he f*cken would not be able to ride it.

Really?  I think Rossi is pretty versatile.  Honda, Yamaha, 2-stroke, 4-stroke, 125cc, 250cc, 500cc, 990cc, 800cc, Michelin, Bridgestone, rain, dry--he seems to be fast in most circumstances.  

In any case, I hope Hayden ends up with Ducati--I'd love to see that match-up.  Not to mention that it will be nice to see Melandri back on a bike that suits him.  It's just painful to watch him now.

Quote from: Super T.I.B on August 01, 2008, 12:57:17 AM

F*ck me, the "kid", and I use the term loosely, just won the championship in only his second year of MotoGP, is a bit highly strung, and I don't blame him for that, every racer is like that although some vent there frustrations in front of a camera and some leave it till they get in there trailer, gets continually quoted out of context and "people" are quick to chop the tall poppy down.

Yeah, he's definately been quoted out of context.......
when taken in context it just sounds like one long, pathetic, whine instead of a little wussy gripe.

Quote from: Super T.I.B on August 01, 2008, 12:57:17 AM
Why has Rossi never ridden a Duc? Because he f*cken would not be able to ride it.

If Rossi was riding a Duc, NOBODY would win a race, including Casey.
Watch the race again and then tell us that Stoner is the "best".
If Stoner was on the Yamaha he wouldn't be nearly as fast as he has been on the Duc, the Duc is the far better bike the past few years, it's that simple.
I'd love to see the lap times that Rossi would have on a gp8.

Stoner is definately a fantastic rider that will no doubt win more championships, maybe even this one, but if he doesn't learn something about PR and not pregnant doging like a prom queen when he looses a race to a better rider, then he will not win the hearts of fans like Rossi has. He has done that with a personality and demeaner that draws people to him. (and sponsors)

Being faster doesn't make you the better rider, being the better rider makes you faster. look at the back of the motogp field.
Rossi just has more experience than Stoner. It was like he knew every line Stoner was going to take after a few laps and was able to block or compensate for it lap after lap.
That's what makes Rossi the Best!


It looks to me like Stoner is trying to cut off Vale's line back onto the track. But, like Rossi said "that's racing".
Stoner should quit crying about "not racing like that".


I think Stoner sees his chances of records for winning going out the window with every race and championship that Rossi wins.
How many guys riding the Tour De France wanted to see Lance Armstrong win year after year after year? How many liked him for it? They accused him of cheating instead. They knew NO one will win 7 in a row ever again.
Anyway.... if Rossi screws the pooch, then I hope that Stoner wins and gets a little more maturity about him.

That being said................. I don't think Stoner can dance like Rossi can!!!
Therefore, Rossi wins!!




BTW....I think that Hayden would be an awesome addition to the Ducati team.
He needs to be in front of Pedrobot, where he belongs, not shoved in the back of his tiny little boxer shorts.

QuoteIf Rossi was riding a Duc, NOBODY would win a race, including Casey.
Watch the race again and then tell us that Stoner is the "best".
If Stoner was on the Yamaha he wouldn't be nearly as fast as he has been on the Duc, the Duc is the far better bike the past few years, it's that simple.
I'd love to see the lap times that Rossi would have on a gp8

I kind of disagree there.  I think, as its currently set up, that Rossi could not ride the Ducati.  That bike is a mess underneath Stoner.  Stoner likes it like that, but there is a reason Melandri sucked balls all of a sudden.  If you follow Rossi, then you know he wants a very well sorted bike underneath him so that he can "ride like he wants."  I think Rossi and Burgess considered it, but decided they didn't want to touch that bike with a ten foot pole.  While a tad underpowered, the I4 Yammy is definately the sweetest handling bike in the field.  Smarter to stick with the best chassis and hope your factory finds a power solution than to take the power and hope for the chassis.

Stoner is great with the Duc, but he's just a different style than Rossi.  Nothing wrong with that.  I think Hayden will have some success with it.... I hope.

Jester, your probably right about Rossi riding the Duc "as its currently set up".
That's the ideal isn't it? to have your bike set up for you. If he was riding Ducati it would be set up for him (at least more so than as is) and he would be IMO unstoppable.
I think he would be unbeatable if the yamaha was equally as fast as the Duc.

I think your spot on about Yamaha finding more power somewhere (or stealing it ) and Rossi sticking with it. That's probably the reasoning he used when signing for 2 more years with Yamaha. If he went to Duc or Honda then he would be starting fresh instead hopefully improving a great, albeit, slower bike.
You can't take anything away from Stoner though, he is awesome as well...... just not as awesome as Valentino....not yet anyway. In the future who knows. It's kinda hard to compare 1 championship to 7.


Go Rossi!!!   
Go Stoner!!

Wow Rossi apologists can litter any thread even if it has nothing to do with him.   

Hayden will be great on a Duc and should rediscover his form and podiums as a result.  Dirt bikers ride differently than Pocket bikers.  Melandri was a bad choice, Hayden will be a good one.  Rossi, having the craziest God given talent in decades, would be competitive given time but it would never be what he wants/needs it to be let alone dominant.  His strengths are on the brakes and smoothly cornering - the Duc is not the best choice for either.

I'd love to see this.  It would be the best of the past 2 years of GP for me rolled into one (First an American wins, then Ducati does).  An American rider on a Ducati would be almost too good to be true.


Cheers
CWBY

P.S.  It's 1 to 5 comparison in the premier class and the only rider in the HISTORY of GP to win it younger than Stoner was Freddy Spencer.  Only a true fanboi would equate a 125 or 250 championship with a Premier class championship.  Call it a win, even call it a championship but don't call them the same because they aren't.  The only 21st century racer to have 7 premier titles is Michael Schumacher in F1.  Rossi also hasn't won 7 in a row.  There were one year gaps each year he moved up in class - he has never won a championship in any class as a rookie.