Quote from: Satellite smithy on January 10, 2017, 07:12:07 PM
Irwin is just the company that bought the vise-grip company.

http://livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe40s/machines_12.html

IIRC Stanley also owns Black & Decker, Dewalt and Porter Cable.
   

Yep. Sooooo, that makes Irwin... the makers of "the original Vice Grips". 

Technically, Stanley doesn't own Black & Decker, the two merged. But yeah, DeWalt and Porter Cable were both part of B&D. Any way you cut it though, that's a hell of a lot of big names in the tool world all under one umbrella.

Quote from: Rameses on January 10, 2017, 09:44:25 PM
Yep. Sooooo, that makes Irwin... the makers of "the original Vice Grips". 

Vise Grips, not Vice Grips. 

I keep my vises close, and my vices closer.

As it should be.

So, what is wrong with coming to grips with your vices?

People whine that you ain't sharing the scotch.

Quote from: Satellite smithy on January 11, 2017, 02:05:12 PM
People whine that you ain't sharing the scotch.

It's all yours.

Howie and I dented a bottle last dimby.

I'm hoping for a repeat.

Maybe without a drought and that thunder this year.

Quote from: Satellite smithy on January 11, 2017, 02:33:56 PM
Howie and I dented a bottle last dimby.

I'm hoping for a repeat.

Maybe without a drought and that thunder this year.

I'm in

Quote from: howie on January 11, 2017, 01:43:57 PM
So, what is wrong with coming to grips with your vices?

Wrong? But Momma, that's where the fun is.

To get this at least pointed back toward on-topic...

Quote from: S21FOLGORE on January 08, 2017, 01:56:02 PM
(snip)
And the last photo.

DSC01745
This is a close up photo of Snap-On and Craftsman.
This is why Snap-On wrenches and socket can loosen the stubborn fastener that Craftsman will end up rounding off.

Flank drive is one thing.

But, more importantly, Craftsman wrenches and sockets have this massive chamfering.

Look at the photo closely.
This is 70 - 80 % of the reason they fail on low profile bolt and nuts, partially rounded bolt head, etc.
SImply, they don’t give the same level of grip of high end tools.

At least once with a low profile nut, I've dealt with exactly that, and in a rage ground off most of the chamfering on a cheap box wrench. It wasn't pretty, but it worked and then went into the box that gets turned into coat hooks like this:


20140326_190210 by triangleforge, on Flickr

If you're trying to loosen a low profile nut or bolt with a 12-point wrench, you're doing it wrong.
That's 6-point socket territory.

That's nice that the Snap-On wrenches have so little chamfer.
But I'm not paying 4x the price just for that.
A minute on the belt sander and I can have however much chamfer I want.

You contend that the Craftsman double-box isn't strong enough to be made the same length as the Snap-On.
I've got a 12-14 Craftsman double-box that's 230mm long, and I've ground a good bit off of the diameter of the head on the 12mm end.
Several years of service, and it's not broken.

I have to say that I've never broken a craftsman wrench. I was gifted one of those big tool sets in the early 80's and that set comprises the backbone of my auto tools. Ive had a ratchet or three break the internals. But they gave out the new gear sets for free, so no big deal.

Craftsman is a little clunky, but Ive never been concerened about any of them breaking.

Quote from: ducpainter on January 05, 2017, 03:11:17 PM
I bought my Snap-on stuff when it was relatively affordable. It was still top end, but I never could get used to the feel of a Crapsman wrench or ratchet after using them.

Raised my kids on Craftsman stuff; mostly stuff I bought brand new from 1976~1983/84.  Augmented over the years with later Craftsman stuff, but mostly old stuff.

My middle son became a professional wrench, seven years with Ford, then opened his own shop seven years ago, has tens of thousands of $$$ in tools now, the majority of which are Snap-on.   He'll tell you that Snap-on is a total rip-off for the home mechanic.  I'll tell you that other than mis-use; I've never broken a Craftsman tool in 40 years of wrenching with them.  I'll also tell you that my Dad's Craftsman tools that I inherited in 2003 are still gong strong today in my garage, and they are now 65 years old.

I'll also say that I just replaced my 35-year-old made in the U.S.A Wilton bench vise (which I purchased brand new) with a 62-year-old Craftsman machinist's vise because it is of so much higher quality, and because I mourn the passing of the U.S.-made Craftsman (branded) tools even more than I do the sale of the trademark by Sears.

Oh, and I gave the Wilton vise to my son, who will put it to good, professional use, in his garage.     

Quote from: somegirl on January 11, 2017, 09:24:22 AM
Vise Grips, not Vice Grips. 

I'm just trying to show off my worldly knowledge...

Quote from: ungeheuer on April 07, 2014, 05:26:27 PM
Since that auction listing is not in the United States of America, they didn't spell "vice" wrong at all.  You just forgot to translate my English into yours 

Here  >>  http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/vice

Or I screwed up. Take your pick.