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Started by ducatiz, February 16, 2017, 07:59:11 AM

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kopfjäger

#15
February 18, 2017, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: TWDucfan on February 18, 2017, 05:07:18 PM
This sounds worrisome, among all the gas stations out there who sells non-ethanol fuel?  [shot]

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TWDucfan

#16
February 18, 2017, 10:45:14 PM
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 18, 2017, 05:45:34 PM
http://pure-gas.org/

Checked the one nearby but have to buy certain volume. Storing that much gasoline in garage is  [thumbsdown] [thumbsdown]



ducpainter

#17
February 19, 2017, 04:08:06 AM
Quote from: TWDucfan on February 18, 2017, 05:07:18 PM
This sounds worrisome, among all the gas stations out there who sells non-ethanol fuel?  [shot]



http://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov

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danaid

#18
February 19, 2017, 11:19:41 AM
Quote from: TWDucfan on February 18, 2017, 10:45:14 PM
Checked the one nearby but have to buy certain volume. Storing that much gasoline in garage is  [thumbsdown] [thumbsdown]





I do not even have the option of having one nearby.  :-\. I use a 76 station near me that is frequented by high end cars that use the 91 octane mostly. I assume that the 91 octane is fresh and primed to the blender hoses.
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ducatiz

#19
February 19, 2017, 02:51:54 PM
Quote from: roggie on February 18, 2017, 06:36:48 AM

Are there any concerns that this coating will not take since I have now used the tank for years with ethanol gas?

No.  You have to prep the tank thoroughly.  I do this by rinsing it with MarineClean (water based petroleum solvent) and then flushing it with xylene, and then letting it sit for a while to dry completely.

The marineclean will get out everything, even the smell.  I've found that the ethanol gas only penetrates a very small amount. I did quite a bit of testing with cut-up tanks.  Soaking the material in 10% ethanol pump gas in a sealed, zero-humidity container showed a near unmeasurable difference. Same situation with 50% humidity showed a 4-6% dimensional increase.  Long and short is that water is your problem which is solved by drying the tank.

Flushing the tank removes the residual fuel very well, and letting the tank sit and dry removes the water residue.

I also started rasping the interior in key spots including using a 1.5 mm drill bit to make divots in the interior surface.

The adhesive coating enters the divot holes and creates an anchor for the coating.

Done correctly, the coating is pretty near indestructible.  Just don't use 100% ethanol to test it like the factory did.

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TWDucfan

#20
February 19, 2017, 04:47:28 PM Last Edit: February 19, 2017, 04:50:09 PM by TWDucfan
Quote from: danaid on February 19, 2017, 11:19:41 AM
I do not even have the option of having one nearby.  :-\. I use a 76 station near me that is frequented by high end cars that use the 91 octane mostly. I assume that the 91 octane is fresh and primed to the blender hoses.

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ducpainter

#21
February 19, 2017, 04:55:42 PM
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


roggie

#22
February 19, 2017, 05:33:08 PM Last Edit: February 22, 2017, 06:04:19 PM by roggie
Quote from: ducatiz on February 19, 2017, 02:51:54 PM
No.  You have to prep the tank thoroughly.  I do this by rinsing it with MarineClean (water based petroleum solvent) and then flushing it with xylene, and then letting it sit for a while to dry completely.

The marineclean will get out everything, even the smell.  I've found that the ethanol gas only penetrates a very small amount. I did quite a bit of testing with cut-up tanks.  Soaking the material in 10% ethanol pump gas in a sealed, zero-humidity container showed a near unmeasurable difference. Same situation with 50% humidity showed a 4-6% dimensional increase.  Long and short is that water is your problem which is solved by drying the tank.

Flushing the tank removes the residual fuel very well, and letting the tank sit and dry removes the water residue.

I also started rasping the interior in key spots including using a 1.5 mm drill bit to make divots in the interior surface.


The adhesive coating enters the divot holes and creates an anchor for the coating.

Done correctly, the coating is pretty near indestructible.  Just don't use 100% ethanol to test it like the factory did.



cheers, thank you!

TWDucfan

#23
February 19, 2017, 06:46:24 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 19, 2017, 04:55:42 PM
Look it up...




Does this mean that all other commercially available pump gas (ARCO, Chevron, Shell, Mobile, Texaco, BP...) in the US/Cal are not methanol free?   ??? ??? ???

ducpainter

#24
February 19, 2017, 06:59:44 PM
Quote from: TWDucfan on February 19, 2017, 06:46:24 PM


Does this mean that all other commercially available pump gas (ARCO, Chevron, Shell, Mobile, Texaco, BP...) in the US/Cal are not methanol free?   ??? ??? ???

Ethanol...typically all pump gas in the US is 10% ethanol.
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    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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TWDucfan

#25
February 19, 2017, 07:17:43 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 19, 2017, 06:59:44 PM
Ethanol...typically all pump gas in the US is 10% ethanol.



:o :o :o

Will it affect the 2014 Monster 796 plastic tank?

Thanks,


kopfjäger

#26
February 19, 2017, 07:25:20 PM
I believe the tank issue was fixed prior to 14.
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TWDucfan

#27
February 19, 2017, 07:41:02 PM
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 19, 2017, 07:25:20 PM
I believe the tank issue was fixed prior to 14.

Phew, that is nice to know.

Thanks, kopfjäger  ;D ;D ;D


ducatiz

#28
February 21, 2017, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: TWDucfan on February 19, 2017, 07:17:43 PM


:o :o :o

Will it affect the 2014 Monster 796 plastic tank?

Thanks,




Lift your tank and look at the mold imprint on the bottom.  If it says PA6 then it is affected.

The later models used a cell + cover design so the outside is a separate part. They made the tank small enough that it expands and you don't know because its covered. 


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He Man

#29
February 21, 2017, 09:36:38 PM
mine is worst than before. my steering damper mount used to not touch my tank. now i put a 1-2mm deep gash into my tank.
it sat with about 1/2 gallong of fuel for over a year and sweelled up more.
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