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2006 Monster 1000 Suspension Questions

Started by lasse28, July 30, 2019, 12:01:10 AM

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lasse28

Unfortunately, my Monster isnt the S model, with the adjustable front forks...
The front teles on my Monster is very "stiff" - on normal roads it hardly works, as on my other bikes, where the front forks "plays" all the time, with tiny movements - up & down.
Only on large road ondulations, my Monster forks works - and it irritates me that this "stiffness" makes longer travels uncomfortable!

I hope there exsists some improvements, i.e. progressive front springs, or a certain sort of hydraulic oil, to sort this problem.
Or, maybe the solution is a purchase of some used "S" tele legs?

lasse28

On my 2006 Monster 1000cc, (bought used, but in super condition) - the former owner seemingly had adjusted the rear wheel so the motorcycle has a stance on the road, front wheel low, and rear wheel high.
( The distance from tire to underside of fender is considerable, in my mind - and the motorcycle will never, in future carry a passenger)
So I plan to reduce this distance somewhat, following the recommendations from my Owners Handbook.

But what do you think?
Is there certain pitfalls, and how much should i reduce this distance?
Should I, in the same operation touch the preload of the yellow spring?

stopintime

Set preload as suggested. If it's still a progressive spring it's not going to help much with the handling and preload should NOT be used as a ride height adjuster.

Try to adjust one end first, go for a few rides and then decide if that is the right thing for you. Make rather large adjustments so you are sure to really feel what's happening. Fine tune after that.
252,000 km/seventeen years - loving it

stopintime

Overhauled, repaired and well adjusted forks are wonderful to ride with. Have them looked at by an EXPERT, not a semi-expert, first - maybe it's an adjustment issue....
252,000 km/seventeen years - loving it

Howie

First, merge your threads.  Both are a suspension problem, therefore related.

Before anything return all suspension settings to base, as in the owner's manual.  That includes the tie rod on the rear suspension, which is  for rear height adjustment and the fork height in the tripples..  Then work from there.  Problem is you don't know what the previous owner did.  Unfortunately I don't have the specs for your bike.

ducpainter

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lasse28

Reply to STOPINTIME:
You write: "Maybe its an adjustment issue"
I cannot figure out what you mean with this, since my front teles are of the non-adjustment type.
Please clarify.

Speeddog

S2R1000 never came with non-adjustable front forks, to my knowledge.
I suspect the original adjustable forks were damaged and replaced, or removed for more profit in a prior sale.

If you can post a couple pictures of the top and bottom of the forks, and a side view of the complete bike, we can help more.

Posting pictures:
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=109.0
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=72635.0

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stopintime

Quote from: lasse28 on July 30, 2019, 07:02:37 AM
Reply to STOPINTIME:
You write: "Maybe its an adjustment issue"
I cannot figure out what you mean with this, since my front teles are of the non-adjustment type.
Please clarify.

I didn't even think about a non-adjustable fork. It was, as noted, never an option. The 'stance' and the fork suggest that the/a previous owner made strange choices, maybe even dangerous choices.
252,000 km/seventeen years - loving it

S21FOLGORE

Quote from: Speeddog on July 30, 2019, 07:37:04 AM

If you can post a couple pictures of the top and bottom of the forks, and a side view of the complete bike, we can help more.

Posting pictures:
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=109.0
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=72635.0



+1 for taking the photos and posting here.
The first thing you want to do is to check if your bike has stock forks or not.

If you have stock suspension components, set everything back to stock spec as Howie suggested.

Start from there.

lasse28

Reply to my "seemingly non standard" Ducati 1000m from 2005/6
I tried to insert pictures, and a scan from my owners manual, but was too dumb to make it work…

The frame number of my bike is:  zdmm404aa5b070729
Front page of my owners manual says:  MONSTER 1000/1000S
The bike came with a full service book!

Inside the manual it says:  The S model has adjustable rebound & compression damping adjusters, (through a hex nut in the bottom of the tele leg, + adjustment nuts on top of tele leg)
Mine, beeing a M model has nothing of this.
So, I am NOT having a nonstandard Monster, just the "cheap" version of the same bike.
996cc, 2 plugs per cylinder, 2 desmo-valves per cylinder, aircooling and petrol injection, hope this will clarify?

stopintime

Ok - I can see that now, in the parts catalog.

The M1000 doesn't have an adjuster on top, but the catalog shows adjusters (one/two?) from the bottom up - usually compression damping adjusters. What they are, if they work on yours and what might have been done to them are open questions.....
252,000 km/seventeen years - loving it

Speeddog

Very aggravating, none of my documentation nor online sources give any detailed information.

I suspect it's got the same forks as the S2R800 of that year.
As delivered, those are quite soft, with no compression damping to speak of.

Someone may have been inside them and changed components.

Possibly the forks are binding due to misalignment from damage or improper assembly.
If the handlebars seem to point to one side when the bike is travelling straight, they may be twisted.

First method:
Remove both front brake calipers.
Do not squeeze the front brake lever.
Loosen the axle clamp bolts on the opposite side from the axle nut.
Vigorously compress and release the front suspension as much as possible.
You can brace the front wheel against a solid object to allow application of more force.
You can roll the bike into said solid object as well.
Essentially, get the forks to stroke at least halfway.
Use a helper if you can.
Tighten the axle clamp bolts, beware that they do not need to be *very* tight.
Reassemble brakes.

Report back on results and we can go further if necessary.
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lasse28

Thank you for help!
The motorcycle is running absolutely straight, with handlebars in 90 degrees position, so no traffic accidents.

The "binding" may de a better explanation, so to morrow I will loosen the axle, and work the suspension hard!
As reported, the bike has a full (51.000 Kilometers) service record, and no leaks at all from the tele legs, who present themselves silky matte, without any scratches.
By the way, could the oil inside the legs be of the wrong "weight" - or filled too much?

ducpainter

Oil level, and weight, does affect damping.

How much do you weigh?
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”