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that Old Tangerine Dream (problem bike these days... :( )

Started by MsTek, June 01, 2017, 06:46:42 AM

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stopintime

Yes, it will.

I have used mine only once. My only almost-mistake was that the pre-greased repair plug became less greased while I handled it. That made it slide less and it almost didn't get through the nossle. Keep it greased by touching it very little/lightly.
252,000 km/seventeen years - loving it

MsTek

Howdy.... me again in my own thread about my own bike that is a neverending story. 

Hey at least I keep everything on one topics... Plus it reads like a Ducati Novella when you think about it. 

So, bike has been sitting over the winter.  I am getting ready to plug that flat, bring her out.  So I charge the battery, put it in... let it run for a bit:


https://youtu.be/qAdPdb72dMw


Uh oh.  What do I do? 
"Do something each day that scares you..."

duccarlos

Quote from: polivo on November 16, 2011, 12:18:55 PM
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stopintime

That's the oil filter.

You can tighten it by hand and hope for the best. Next level is to tighten it with an oil filter tool. After that, it's to remove the filter (and all the oil with it) to clean or replace.
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MsTek

Quote from: stopintime on March 04, 2020, 02:09:40 PM
That's the oil filter.

You can tighten it by hand and hope for the best. Next level is to tighten it with an oil filter tool. After that, it's to remove the filter (and all the oil with it) to clean or replace.

So it doesn't mean that I have a catastrophic problem yet?
"Do something each day that scares you..."

MsTek

"Do something each day that scares you..."

stopintime

Not serious. Usually. The rubber gasket ring (can't see it yet) gets dry OR the filter unscrews by itself from vibration.


Don't buy that thing. Get a filter that fits your bike and a tool to fasten it. We'll talk more about the simple procedure after you have tried to fasten it by hand, both hands (get some rags). If you feel it's moving, it's a good sign. Try to get someone to hold the bike when you're on your back and knees under it.

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S21FOLGORE

No. Don't order that one.

This is how you do it. (Skip to 6:40)

https://youtu.be/QKN8XnOyXMM

Get HiFlo HF153RC, which looks like this


S21FOLGORE

Quote from: MsTek on March 04, 2020, 02:26:33 PM
So it doesn't mean that I have a catastrophic problem yet?

No, not yet.
You won't know until you try to hand tighten the filter.

ducpainter

I'm no wimp, nor am I a he man...

I can't get a Duc filter tight enough by hand. [bang]

A simple strap wrench works, but a filter specific wrench is better.
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Speeddog

Quote from: ducpainter on March 04, 2020, 03:14:01 PM
I'm no wimp, nor am I a he man...

I can't get a Duc filter tight enough by hand. [bang]

A simple strap wrench works, but a filter specific wrench is better.

I'm left handed, and it helps a bunch.

But yeah, either a strap wrench, filter wrench, or the HiFlo filter with the 'nut'.
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S21FOLGORE

#221
What I meant, was that if she can turn the filter by hand, it's way too loose, no wonder it's leaking under oil pressure.


So, .... let me ask a few questions.

1. When was the last time oil changed? And, was the filter replaced at the same time?
(Some people replace oil filter at every oil change. Some do less, like, change filter at every other oil change.)

2. Who did the oil filter installation ?

Please look at the video I posted above.

In the video,

At 11:15, oil filter removal starts.

At 11:35, what I'm doing is that I'm searching the o-ring that was on the filter, but came off of the filter
during the removal.
Meaning, it was sticking on the engine case.

At 11:40, you can see o-ring.

At 11:55, what I'm doing is that putting some engine oil onto the new filter's o-ring.

If, the last filter change was done by someone who's mechanically inept, then...

1. the old o-ring might be stuck on the case, and the new filter was installed on that old o-ring.
Then, while there's no oil pressure (engine not running), you may not see any leak.
But as soon as you start running the bike, it would leak.
(Double stuck o-rings won't seal.)

2. the new oil filter might have been installed without lubricating the o-ring.
Dry o-ring can be easily twisted and can come off while the filter is threaded in.



To remove the filter, I'd recommend getting these filter wrench.


BUT, buy HiFlo 153RC I posted above for a new one. That will make the job a lot easier for the next time.


Howie

Since the bike is sitting you should do an oil change anyway.  When you remove the filter make sure no O rings were left behind.  Coat the O ring on the filter with oil.  Tighten by hand.  Then another 7/8 of a turn or 11 Nm.

My recommendation for a filter:
http://www.hiflofiltro.com/catalogue/model/4047
No idea what they are selling on that Amazon store, but if they can't get the photo correct...   You should be able to get one at any good motorcycle parts store.

How old are the timing belts?

greenmonster

Quote.Coat the O ring on the filter with oil.  Tighten by hand.  Then another 7/8 of a turn or 11 Nm.

+1.
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ducpainter

Quote from: howie on March 04, 2020, 10:27:43 PM
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How old are the timing belts?
Since this thread is almost 2 years old at this point, my guess is the belts are older than that.
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a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
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    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”