I think the bottom line here is Rossi and Stoner are both great riders. Rossi had to go off track to win, to me that somewhat cheapens his pass and win at Laguna.

Oh wait are we getting back on topic?  Um......yea go Hayden, leave HRC, join Dookatee and all that stuff I've said before.   

Quote from: Pakhan on August 12, 2008, 10:03:33 AM
Rossi had to go off track to win,

...have you watched the replay of the corner before that?

Quote from: Pakhan on August 12, 2008, 10:03:33 AM
Rossi had to go off track to win, to me that somewhat cheapens his pass and win at Laguna.

Casey had to go off track to lose.  Just goes to show, even in the dirt Rossi is a better rider.

Quote from: darylbowden on August 03, 2008, 03:50:58 PM
He pulled out when after practicing for a day he deemed the track too MX-centric and he didn't like doing triples on a SM bike.

Turns out he pulled out due to injury.....

http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/e/n080812a.htm

schwantz's comments on laguna:

Q But you rode all the manufacturers' bikes last year, as I recall, right?

A Yeah, in the past two years I've gotten to ride them. The Suzuki was one of my favorites. But I get to spend more time on it. It handles, it feels like a Suzuki when I ride it. And if I were to take the thing and sling it down the road, I don't have a hard time coming in and facing the Suzuki guys, whereas if I crashed a Honda, I'd probably never be able to face them again. But yeah. I think what we saw in Laguna was a little bit of old-school, "here's the way Grand Prix racing's supposed to be. I don't care your bike's faster. I don't care your shit's working better. I don't care you've won a whole lot more races than me. I'm going to stuff you in the next turn and you're going to have to find another way around me. And what it's going to do, is it's either going to frustrate you enough that you're going to make a mistake and going to run off the track and fall over, something's going to happen."

Q That's kind of exactly what you and Wayne used to do, right?

A Exactly. And when I heard Stoner complain a little bit about the passes and the this and the that, it's like, "He never took a shot at you unnecessarily. He ran off the track? You're the one that put your position, that put yourself in the position outside of him, to get bumped into. And you leaned on him as much as anything." I'd have waited. I'd have let him slid across the track. I'd have driven right by him, and he'd have probably never seen me again. But it's good to see that there's still a little fire in some of those guys out there, because you don't see it very often. It's like, "Hey, here we go. We're going off into this corner. I'm up the inside of you. I'm going to let off the brakes and take the spot. I know it's going to make you mad because I'm slowing you down a little bit, but it's the only chance I've really got to beat you."


the rest of the interview is good, too:

http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080810-34.htm

Quote from: derby on August 12, 2008, 10:51:42 AM
schwantz's comments on laguna:

Q But you rode all the manufacturers' bikes last year, as I recall, right?

A Yeah, in the past two years I've gotten to ride them. The Suzuki was one of my favorites. But I get to spend more time on it. It handles, it feels like a Suzuki when I ride it. And if I were to take the thing and sling it down the road, I don't have a hard time coming in and facing the Suzuki guys, whereas if I crashed a Honda, I'd probably never be able to face them again. But yeah. I think what we saw in Laguna was a little bit of old-school, "here's the way Grand Prix racing's supposed to be. I don't care your bike's faster. I don't care your shit's working better. I don't care you've won a whole lot more races than me. I'm going to stuff you in the next turn and you're going to have to find another way around me. And what it's going to do, is it's either going to frustrate you enough that you're going to make a mistake and going to run off the track and fall over, something's going to happen."

Q That's kind of exactly what you and Wayne used to do, right?

A Exactly. And when I heard Stoner complain a little bit about the passes and the this and the that, it's like, "He never took a shot at you unnecessarily. He ran off the track? You're the one that put your position, that put yourself in the position outside of him, to get bumped into. And you leaned on him as much as anything." I'd have waited. I'd have let him slid across the track. I'd have driven right by him, and he'd have probably never seen me again. But it's good to see that there's still a little fire in some of those guys out there, because you don't see it very often. It's like, "Hey, here we go. We're going off into this corner. I'm up the inside of you. I'm going to let off the brakes and take the spot. I know it's going to make you mad because I'm slowing you down a little bit, but it's the only chance I've really got to beat you."


the rest of the interview is good, too:

http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080810-34.htm

Good interview I must be slow though Hayden's move to Ducati isn't mentioned anywhere ....

Quote from: COWBOY on August 12, 2008, 11:00:48 AM

Good interview I must be slow though Hayden's move to Ducati isn't mentioned anywhere ....

you're just slow if you didn't realize my post was in response to these:

Quote from: Pakhan on August 12, 2008, 10:03:33 AM
I think the bottom line here is Rossi and Stoner are both great riders. Rossi had to go off track to win, to me that somewhat cheapens his pass and win at Laguna.

Oh wait are we getting back on topic?  Um......yea go Hayden, leave HRC, join Dookatee and all that stuff I've said before.  

Quote from: gm2 on August 12, 2008, 10:12:17 AM
...have you watched the replay of the corner before that?

Quote from: darylbowden on August 12, 2008, 10:20:26 AM
Casey had to go off track to lose.  Just goes to show, even in the dirt Rossi is a better rider.

Quote from: gm2 on August 12, 2008, 10:12:17 AM
...have you watched the replay of the corner before that?

I watched the race several times and yes I know the corner your talking about.  Stoner did run into Rossi's path to block, which is racing.  They seemed really close in that turn and if Stoner saw him there and they were almost parallel then he shouldn't have pulled that move.  but if not that close then I see it as clean.

Quote from: darylbowden on August 12, 2008, 10:20:26 AM
Casey had to go off track to lose.  Just goes to show, even in the dirt Rossi is a better rider.

ok ok 

Quote from: Pakhan on August 12, 2008, 12:18:11 PM
but if not that close then I see it as clean.

i don't think anything not-clean happened in that race from either rider.  it was just racing.  only, 1 of them isn't used to that.

Quote from: gm2 on August 12, 2008, 12:23:38 PM
i don't think anything not-clean happened in that race from either rider.  it was just racing.  only, 1 of them isn't used to that.

I guess this is were we disagree.

Quote from: Pakhan on August 12, 2008, 12:18:11 PM
I watched the race several times and yes I know the corner your talking about. 

stoner was also leaning on him all the way up the hill. casey instigated the whole deal.

Quote from: Pakhan on August 12, 2008, 12:56:28 PM
I guess this is were we disagree.

you can disagree all you want, it doesn't make you right. 

see schwantz's comments above.

Quote from: Pakhan on August 12, 2008, 12:56:28 PM
I guess this is were we disagree.

have you watched a wsbk race?  ever?

Quote from: gm2 on August 12, 2008, 01:11:04 PM
have you watched a wsbk race?  ever?

I have no dog in this fight and I think its pathetic that the Hayden/Ducati thread got turned into another Stoner/Rossi pissing contest, but comments like that scream arrogant prick to me.

Quote from: derby on August 12, 2008, 11:36:47 AM
you're just slow if you didn't realize my post was in response to these:

Thanks for pointing out the obvious and admitting your post has nothing to do with Hayden or Ducati or the point of this thread.   

Quote from: jswledhed on August 12, 2008, 01:18:56 PM
I have no dog in this fight and I think its pathetic that the Hayden/Ducati thread got turned into another Stoner/Rossi pissing contest,