Quote from: Statler on August 29, 2008, 09:27:16 AM
people have been calling the 4 valvers ugly for a long time due to the radiator and plumbing.   Not going to make me go anywhere.

What?? Who.. I will capoeira their asses right now!!  A little more tubing comes with 20+ hp... ugly fun yes... 

Same as it ever was Same as it ever was

Quote from: MOUSEMAN on August 28, 2008, 07:29:59 PM
This is the most rediculous thread. WE all love Ducatis!

Yes it's kind of ridiculous but fun in it's own way.  BTW, it is probably safe to say that we all love Ducatis but it should also be obvious that all of us don't love all Ducatis.    Lots of folks didn't like the 999 in a big way but that never bothered me.  The 696 people need to grow some thicker skin that's all.

it's kinda the other way around.
The fact of the matter is the 696 will out handle the previous gen.
I think you guys need to get over the monster being revamped to IMPROVE IT.

Quote from: Raux on August 29, 2008, 05:41:45 PM
it's kinda the other way around.
The fact of the matter is the 696 will out handle the previous gen.
I think you guys need to get over the monster being revamped to IMPROVE IT.

dude if you want handling buy an 848 thats what its for. not a marketing idiots idea of how to sell more bikes to people. if it handles better but looks like junk its not an improvement my friend.

the ron

Quote from: Raux on August 29, 2008, 05:41:45 PM
it's kinda the other way around.
The fact of the matter is the 696 will out handle the previous gen.
I think you guys need to get over the monster being revamped to IMPROVE IT.

If by the "previous gen" you are refering to the 695 or 620 you may be correct. I don't believe it will outhandle the Monsters with fully adjustable front & rear suspension.

Ron --- I don't think he has comparing the 696 to any of the Superbikes, of any generation. That would be just plain silly.

In no way would i compare it to the SBKs, different bikes. Yes i believe the SBKs are better, Ron. 

Look, the point is the chassis of the 696 is better than the last generation of monsters. If part for part were equal, ie when the big daddy monster with the fully adjustable suspension comes out, yes it will beat all your monsters (i'm sure there a few STELLAR exceptions to every rule).

IT's NOT an insult to the prev gen monsters, its evolution.

do you think Ducati would build a monster that handles worse? no, they built it better.

The previous gen monsters are rough, tough and yes, cool looking. they had (have) power in raw force. but the new gen is smoother, handles better and when the new engines come out, will out gun them. people will tune them, change them and they also will develop unique personalities, each and every bike just like the old gen.

I've had both. and when someone goes from the same size bike to the same size new bike they WILL see and feel the difference. hell i went from a 99 M900 to the 09 M696 and I feel a difference. TEN YEARS of refinement, enhancement and redesigns. Track experience from Ducati and yes, even every one of your inputs into the design of the new bikes.

Ducati has looked at your works of art and said, let's start THERE. give it high exhausts, give it a rear subframe they can do WHATEVER they want with it, give them a higher ground clearance and cleaner lines to work with. and yes lets give them things to change and customize. THEN they added something more. They gave it better brakes, better handling, a better starting point for each of you to grow your own works of art AGAIN.

wow, sorry, got inspired.

Ever been passed by a guy on a thirty year old bmw?   or see the video of the goldwings ripping up the Gap?   or had a twelve year old kid on a 125cc racebike use you as a moving chicane on the track?


tech improvements in a model are an insignificant part of the equation compared to the rider.

Except for guys getting paid to race, we should buy what we enjoy ourselves as there is allways someone faster on 'inferior' equipment.

So the looks do make a big part of the motorcycle purchase decision and for good reason.  bikes are emotional.

So the folks who like the 696 should not worry about people like the ron.  Who give a rat's ass if he doesn't like the look of the bike?

But leaning on tech arguments is difficult in a class of bike where outright performance isn't the biggest concern.

And the people who don't like it should ask themselves why they care so much about the issue that they need to spend this much time telling everyone their views on it.

I ride what I like.

and, unfortunate that this is apparantly so rare, I take pleasure in other people enjoying their own bikes.  I like to hear when people get all excited about their ride.  Harley guy proud of his new chrome accessory?  cool.  can't be any worse for me to listen to him than it is for him to hear me drone on about BST wheels...and you know what?  we both enjoy it...different aspect of the sport that's all.

There is a big difference between pointing out to Ducati that many folks don't like the design direction the monster is taking,  and pointing out to a new bike owner that you think his new pride and joy looks like shit.  It would be so much nicer if we had more of the former and none of the later.

This entire issue has been very intersting, and tells me more than anything else who I'd like to have a drink and bullshit about bikes with.

Statler, is correct, we all ride what we love. Bashing someone else or their ride is BS.

We ride, which is better than most people out there that don't.

The bonus here is we ALL ride a make of motorcycle that has a soul like none other.

share the love people  (italians drink that not  )

Agreed..
lets close the thread and be happy with what we like and ride 
Sorry if I offended people and their taste..

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(mumbling) stilluglystilluglystillugly

never really took offense. just was surprised to hear Ducati bashing by other Ducati riders.

Quote from: Raux on August 30, 2008, 05:00:45 PM
never really took offense. just was surprised to here Ducati bashing by other Ducati riders.

I find it refreshing when compared to fact that most of the time we suck eachother's dicks around here. Yet we would laugh a group of guys who all choose to hang out because they where Nike shoes or because they use [insert brand name here].

My personal opinion is that the 696 looks like it was designed by Matel. But the Duc dealer here in town says that is typical. He says that previous monster owners hate the thing and that riders (new and experienced) that have never owned a monster tend to like it.

sac

well i guess if you look at the numbers on this poll. you're in the minority.

We all love Ducati. and we all love our bikes for what they are. my personal favority is a last generation 750 SS which I haven't had the opportunity to buy YET.

Others love the 2nd Gen monsters (the SSS bikes)

Still others love the original monsters

And others wouldn't get caught dead on anything other than a SBK.

but we ALL are riding a Ducati. and THAT means something to me.

I agree... time to close this thread.

Quote from: Raux on August 30, 2008, 05:21:50 PM

I agree... time to close this thread.

Please!! Negative people suck!

Quote from: Murdered Monster on August 30, 2008, 06:40:29 PM
Please!! Negative people suck!

communists.

the ron