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removing oil filter without draining the crankcase?

Started by BK_856er, August 22, 2008, 02:04:56 PM

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BK_856er

I have a crankcase full of relatively fresh oil and some motivation/time to finally install the oil cooler retrofit kit onto my M695.  Bad timing, but that's how it's playing out.

I'll need to remove the oil filter to install the diverter and also attach the external braided lines.

If I remove the oil filter, without first draining the oil through the drain plug, will I lose a little or a lot of oil?  Not quite sure how the internal plumbing works.

Anyone have any info or advice to share?

BK

blue tiger

My guess is that you will only lose the oil in the filter or lines that lead to it. Be prepared to make a little mess and catch some oil and you should be good to go. Keep ion mind that this is just a guess. ;)
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Triple J

Why not just drain the oil into a pan, then put it back in when your cooler install is complete?

BK_856er

Quote from: Triple J on August 22, 2008, 03:07:58 PM
Why not just drain the oil into a pan, then put it back in when your cooler install is complete?

That crossed my mind, but I didn't want to risk the introduction of extra grit/grime/grunge into the engine.

If I had a suction device that could be a good way to go.

This might be a case where I should just write off the current oil to get the project underway.

BK

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teddy037.2

if you trust it to be a clean clean pan... I don't see that it would be a big deal.

if not, just fill 'er back up w/fresh. not many ways around that.

Ducnial

Dont want to sound like Mr. obvious but just add some back, start it up to prefill everything then top it off to the line.


DesmonsterS4RS

Quote from: blue tiger on August 22, 2008, 02:16:26 PM
My guess is that you will only lose the oil in the filter or lines that lead to it. Be prepared to make a little mess and catch some oil and you should be good to go. Keep ion mind that this is just a guess. ;)

+1 you will only lose a little oil I wouldn't recommend reusing oil thats been in a drip pan unless the pan is spotless.

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Quote from: DesmonsterS4RS on August 22, 2008, 06:53:51 PM
+1 you will only lose a little oil I wouldn't recommend reusing oil thats been in a drip pan unless the pan is spotless.

A new spotless pan being all of $3.99 at any local parts store and the oil probably being much more so, I'd just get a pan and use it. A little extra dirt never hurts anyway-that's what you have a filter for.  :P

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BK_856er

Quote from: bullet boy on August 22, 2008, 06:09:11 PM
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Sounds like it won't be too much of a mess to remove just the filter and top up as needed afterwards.

BK

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Lol.

Airplanes will NEVER drain their fuel and put it back in their system. most of hte times its either a fuel dump over seas or its drained out. Back when jet planes were first introduced people would just drain the gas out of the jet right into their cars. It yeilding only 4mpg, but it was free fuel that was gonna be dumped anyway.


back on track. lay the bike on its left side. no oil should come out when you take hte filter out. but dont start the bike up without having her stand up right for a few. Dont be suprised if it spits oil through the airbox when you do first start it up.
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BK_856er

Everything was going so smoothly.  I decided to drain the oil after all...put the new fittings on the case...changed out the valve cover and sensor...installed the diverter...installed the lines...tightened up the fittings on the cooler to 25Nm with a nice Snap-On torque wrench..........WTF...........split the cooler in two!   Damn!!  Bonehead mistake and all my fault.  I should have put an opposing wrench on the cooler side fitting to take the force.  Now I'm out $$ for a replacement cooler and some damn good riding days.  Should have left it for a little winter project.

Anyone know if the coolers are cheaper directly from KTM?

BK

teddy037.2

whoa... that sucks, mang.

you could probably just surf ebay or the FS for a used cooler... all the fittings and bits are the harder to come by stuff, anyway.

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