If you guys don't read the house bills proposed for your jurisdiction and then call your local elected official with your perspective, there is no room to complain on the internet about it.

House bills are easily found on the internet these days.  Before they are signed into law you can have input...and a strong argument to a politician has a lot of weight.

Let's stop complaining after the fact and take an active role in what we want put in place to govern us.

not so hard, folks.   This group spends enough time online as it is....let's all use it positively.  I do.  So can you...it's not difficult.

Quote from: Statler on September 23, 2008, 06:21:22 PM
If you guys don't read the house bills proposed for your jurisdiction and then call your local elected official with your perspective, there is no room to complain on the internet about it.

House bills are easily found on the internet these days.  Before they are signed into law you can have input...and a strong argument to a politician has a lot of weight.

Let's stop complaining after the fact and take an active role in what we want put in place to govern us.

not so hard, folks.   This group spends enough time online as it is....let's all use it positively.  I do.  So can you...it's not difficult.

http://thomas.loc.gov

1984 ....it's coming.    Dolph

 

Quote from: Statler on September 23, 2008, 06:21:22 PM
If you guys don't read the house bills proposed for your jurisdiction and then call your local elected official with your perspective, there is no room to complain on the internet about it.

House bills are easily found on the internet these days.  Before they are signed into law you can have input...and a strong argument to a politician has a lot of weight.

Let's stop complaining after the fact and take an active role in what we want put in place to govern us.

not so hard, folks.   This group spends enough time online as it is....let's all use it positively.  I do.  So can you...it's not difficult.

Well said sir.

The problem here is the politicians in power just plain dont listen, only in the last hour I was watching the governing parties convention, a senior minister said (of the government) "We have to do what is right not what is popular" and guess who decides what is right.

it won't happen in the US.  too many interests WANT you to speed.

here, more than anywhere else in the world, states receive a HUGE amount of income from speeding violations. 

it's very simple.  if the states wanted you to stop speeding, they would ALL petition congress to pass a law saying a car cannot go faster than 65 mph.  period.

furthermore, that you can't start the car unless your seatbelt is closed.  if a car can beep at you when the seatbelt is unbelted, they can sure swap it with a relay to keep it from starting in a minute.

the reason it won't happen in the US is that it will stop speeding FOR GOOD.

For instance New York state took in over 200 million $ in moving fines in 2006.    Virginia recently killed a traffic ticket scheme that would have netted the state an additional $4million annually for road improvement.  ADDITIONAL.

Doing anything to change the balance of income for that will not fly.

Quote from: ducatizzzz on September 24, 2008, 04:34:44 AM
it won't happen in the US.  too many interests WANT you to speed.

Excellent points! That is very true. It would greatly reduce revenue (from tickets) and put a lot of people out of a job.

Quote from: MTBryan on September 24, 2008, 06:12:25 AM
Excellent points! That is very true. It would greatly reduce revenue (from tickets) and put a lot of people out of a job.

...which is why you'll see the police unions line up against them.

you'd think the police would support things like red light cameras and speed cameras, but most of the unions have been officially "neutral" about them.

they can't say "we are against them" because they definitely work, but the net result would be fewer cops needed to patrol traffic.

New York City employs 10,000 traffic cops out of a police force of 38,000.  Most of NYC traffic cops are high school grads and nothing more.  I doubt they would find work elsewhere.

Quote from: ducatizzzz on September 24, 2008, 03:24:35 PM
...which is why you'll see the police unions line up against them.

you'd think the police would support things like red light cameras and speed cameras, but most of the unions have been officially "neutral" about them.

they can't say "we are against them" because they definitely work, but the net result would be fewer cops needed to patrol traffic.

New York City employs 10,000 traffic cops out of a police force of 38,000.  Most of NYC traffic cops are high school grads and nothing more.  I doubt they would find work elsewhere.

I'm a high school grad.

What's your point?

Sounds like creeping elitism to me.     

Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 23, 2008, 08:48:53 PM
1984 ....it's coming.    Dolph

a little late.

Quote from: ducpainter on September 24, 2008, 04:53:57 PM
I'm a high school grad.

What's your point?

Sounds like creeping elitism to me.     

Some people think education is the key factor to actually becoming smart - the education would fix it if they weren't smart to begin with.
That must have been proven wrong enough by now, but "the elite" will try to stereotype to defend their privileges.

I'm not sure if the poster belong in this category?

Quote from: ducpainter on September 24, 2008, 04:53:57 PM
I'm a high school grad.

What's your point?

Sounds like creeping elitism to me.     

it's not elitism, it is frustration and not necessarily the best worded way to express it.

there are all kinds of high school grads.

some of them start businesses and grow it and run it and are very successful and contributing (like my father, RIP), and there are some who barely made it thru high school and took the NYPD test 6 times and failed the first 5 and finally passed it and will sit in the same job for the rest of their lives.

so, you're right, i shouldn't have dissed my father that way.  he worked a long time to get me to the point where i could finish college and grad school under scholarships.

i was, however, referring to that group of high school grads who aspire for nothing more than "getting anything they can get for free".. and there are plenty of those folks who coasted thru college as well. 

point is, if they ratcheted up the red light cameras and speed cameras everywhere, there would be little work for unskilled, ignorant people, who may or may not have finished high school and who may or may not have finished college.

Today I got my hands on the top twenty list of priorities for mc-safety as laid down by the OECD - a/the major player - governments listen.

I have not been able to find a link, so I'll type the headlines.

The point is that the closest they get to the topic here, is speed warnings either by the road (signs) or on the bike itself. Plus working to promote ABS.

1  Training programmes
2  Transport and infrastructure policy
3  Research and evaluation
4  General driver training
5  Braking systems
6  Getting safety messages to the riders
7  Integrated awareness campaigns
8  Guidelines for the development of road infrastructure
9  Portrayal of responsible riding
10 Other vehicle driver awareness
11 Training for road designers
12 Protective equipment for riders
13 Policy dialogue
14 Roadway designs
15 Motorcycles in ITS
16 Innovation
17 Speed warning systems
18 Global technical regulations
19 Work together
20 Headlamps in daytime

Sounds good to me, I guess.